The Greek model

[Ele'ill]

http://libcom.org/news/war-zone-athens-three-people-dead-many-buildings-burning-general-strike-march-turns-battle-


What are your thoughts?

[Havet]

My thoughts are that there's an american speculative attack on the weakest members of the european union in order to devalue the euro. Of course governments from those european countries are also to blame for all the shit they've done.

[Bud Struggle]

My thoughts are that there's an american speculative attack on the weakest members of the european union in order to devalue the euro. Of course governments from those european countries are also to blame for all the shit they've done.

They LIED about their financials. Surely you don't think Americans planted spies in the Greek government to fudge numbers?

Heyenmill--I think a better excuse is that: WHOAH the Three Stooges took over the Greek Finance Ministry for 20 years.

That's what it seems like.

http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/3stooges.jpg

[jake williams]

My thoughts are that there's an american speculative attack on the weakest members of the european union in order to devalue the euro. Of course governments from those european countries are also to blame for all the shit they've done.
If what you're asserting is that the US [government] is tartgetting the euro because it's worried about the dollar, I suppose it's conceivable, and I've heard rumours that some of the speculative assaults on eg. Greece were in fact initiated by the US government - but I'm not convinced. Goldman Sachs et al have their own reasons to get involved in this sort of thing, and they don't have any particular allegiance to the US, or as far as I know any particular interest in the US dollar that would override other concerns, although I could be mistaken. There are also great reasons beyond immediate financial incentive that have nothing to do with "national interest" and have everything to do with class interest, attacking the European working class, especially in Greece where they are particuarly well organized and particularly serious about class struggle. Not to mention that there's lots to win for big banks during economic crises, I would think Goldman Sachs is a pretty clear example of that.

[Skooma Addict]

Well on the bright side the whole thing going on in Greece is pretty interesting to follow. It is always desirable to have at least 1 extremely corrupt government existing somewhere in the world since it is interesting to see how events play out in such places. This is why everyone should support 1 dictator/oppressive government. No more, no less. As of now I have my lot in with Mugabe.

[Ele'ill]

I think it's interesting to follow as well. I think it's fairly important that leftists everywhere watch what's going on and analyze leftist actions in Greece (and anywhere else where government is destabilized and a leftist presence gains power).

Is this a valid model to copy tactics and evolve theory from? I live in the United States- do you think as an organizer It applies to me, us, and local issues here? What are the main reasons the public in Greece has pulled together or always been together on issues of labor and economics as opposed to the situation in the United States? The general history of each country? The size?

I think this is a very important time and event for the left on a global scale- if the Greek government is booted out what will be its replacement? There are a hell of a lot of anarchist flags in the streets right now.

The main issue is that from a global or local perspective the public has so little knowledge on the advanced issues of economics and even local politics- I'd say I have an average understanding of things but there needs to not just be more public input and oversight but a fucking way for the public to understand what's going on in their world. Enough shadows.