Call of Duty Now Doing Vietnam?

[The Vegan Marxist]

Apparently, the new Call of Duty game, "Call of Duty: Black Ops" will be covering the story of Vietnam. And from what I've heard, it's suppose to cover, whether through outlines or not, the Cold War. I'm a huge fan of the Call of Duty series, so I'm hoping they allow us to be able to choose whether we can play as the Americans or Vietnam. I strike it kind of odd though, since we lost against Vietnam. Though, I fear that this game is going to be strongly anti-communist & will probably distort the story of Vietnam & what really want on over there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0n0QKGKQCc

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I heard it will also feature missions in Cuba and/or the SSSR proper. Quite expected.

It's a terrible game series anyway. :sneaky:

[The Vegan Marxist]

I REALLY hope they let us take sides in this one. If they do, then OHHHHHH will I be excited haha

Online will be great though, since we could then play the people we'd really want to be.

[Invincible Summer]

There was a Battlefield: Vietnam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Vietnam) game, but never played it. From the wiki page I gather that you can play as the Viet Cong though.

[Das war einmal]

No you won't be able to play as a communist guerilla or red army soldier, obviously, in the singleplayer. Black ops are/where a secret behind-enemy-lines commando force. Their methods are highly controversial. I don't think its gonna be real strong anti-communist, perhaps even a little critical towards anti-communist military activity. The trailer reveals a man being in some kind of interrogation, whilst suggesting he gets electrical shocks. This might be done be the black ops/CIA or this might be done by the KGB for instance.

[empiredestoryer]

will you be able to carpet bomb civilians like the usa did in the war i wonder and still do in their new wars in the middle east

[manic expression]

I used to be into videogames back when Call of Duty first came out...can anyone tell me what the fuck happened to the series? The original Call of Duty was all about the common cause of American, British and Soviet soldiers against Nazism. I played Modern Warfare 2 a few times and I was stunned at how reactionary the politics was...Russians are evil, Americans and Brits are the defenders of all that is just. A whole mission consisted of mowing down unarmed Russian civilians, and the player has no choice in their participation. I swear, whoever's making the new Call of Duty games are a bunch of quasi-fascist douchebags, someone needs to get the series back to where it started.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

All these war games have terrible politics. Expect nothing less from this latest effort.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I used to be into videogames back when Call of Duty first came out...can anyone tell me what the fuck happened to the series? The original Call of Duty was all about the common cause of American, British and Soviet soldiers against Nazism. I played Modern Warfare 2 a few times and I was stunned at how reactionary the politics was...Russians are evil, Americans and Brits are the defenders of all that is just. A whole mission consisted of mowing down unarmed Russian civilians, and the player has no choice in their participation. I swear, whoever's making the new Call of Duty games are a bunch of quasi-fascist douchebags, someone needs to get the series back to where it started.

Well, not defending anything, but the mission you're talking about wasn't just random killing on unarmed civilians, though that's what the others were doing, but you play as a spy in that mission who has tag along with them. You have the choice not to shoot anyone if so, & the first time you start playing the game, they give you the option of whether you'd like the game to skip that mission or not. But I agree that Call of Duty has gone ass-backwards than to what they originally were.

[son of man]

Get the Nazi Zombies mod for CoD WaW. Completely awesome.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Get the Nazi Zombies mod for CoD WaW. Completely awesome.

fuck that! nazi zombies sucked ass!

[this is an invasion]

Guys. It's a video game. Calm down. Play it. Or don't.

[#FF0000]

I used to be into videogames back when Call of Duty first came out...can anyone tell me what the fuck happened to the series? The original Call of Duty was all about the common cause of American, British and Soviet soldiers against Nazism. I played Modern Warfare 2 a few times and I was stunned at how reactionary the politics was...Russians are evil, Americans and Brits are the defenders of all that is just. A whole mission consisted of mowing down unarmed Russian civilians, and the player has no choice in their participation. I swear, whoever's making the new Call of Duty games are a bunch of quasi-fascist douchebags, someone needs to get the series back to where it started.

Well, their portrayal of the USSR's military wasn't exactly spot on. It was the dumb "Enemy at the Gates" hollywood version, where "Not one step backwards" meant "if you show the slightest interest in self-preservation as you run into machine guns we will fucking kill you"

The atmosphere was great though. All this dumb action movie stuff for the Americans and the British, but once you play as the soviets shit gets real, quick.

[Red Commissar]

I looked up on wikipedia, saw this snippet


Officially announced on April 30, 2010, the 30th anniversary of the Iranian embassy siege...

Yea, I think we all see what direction this kind of game will go to.

The other thing to remember really though is that CoD caters to what a mainstream gamer wants, and the typically make games where there's a fairly set sense of "good guy" and "bad guy", so they can get to the action. For most Americans this will generally mean that the game won't be in a position where you are killing American soldiers in the course of a game plot.

Not like it matters much anyways, they focus on MP heavily nowadays and different ways they can milk that.

[Monkey Riding Dragon]

I'm more of a Wii (a.k.a. casual-to-semi-casual) gamer myself. Monster Hunter Tri, Muramasa, De Blob, and Boom Blox are more my speed generally. I hate having to install games on my computer so I don't do much PC gaming. Neither do I enjoy many war games, least of all the Call of Duty ones. However, I do recall liking the original Red Faction and watched the YouTube playthroughs of the sequels, which seemed pretty cool.

But yeah, I'd say this game doesn't exactly sound promising. The latest Call of Duty titles seem to be taking up the James Bond type of idiocy in terms of plot. I prefer kinds of idiocy that don't involve shooting the sinister commies, personally.

[Scary Monster]

will you be able to carpet bomb civilians like the usa did in the war i wonder and still do in their new wars in the middle east

Ya, i wonder if theyll put a cutscene in where they send waves of B-52s to indiscriminately carpet bomb Hanoi :closedeyes: (in response to the South's government being overthrown by south vietnamese guerillas)

Anyhoo, CoD is soo damn fun, but it doesnt even touch Battlefield, especially not Bad Company 2. Modern Warfare 2 gets kind of old, because the maps are real small, and the multiplayer gameplay is really just based on being lucky enough to run into an enemy player and then spraying, unless youre a ***** ass camper :p I play only Battlefield and Armed Assault if i feel like shootin something, cuz they have everything Modern Warfare's multiplayer has plus a massive scale of gameplay- you get helicopters and tanks and shit, and a huge ass map to play on

[Os Cangaceiros]

I used to be into videogames back when Call of Duty first came out...can anyone tell me what the fuck happened to the series? The original Call of Duty was all about the common cause of American, British and Soviet soldiers against Nazism. I played Modern Warfare 2 a few times and I was stunned at how reactionary the politics was...Russians are evil, Americans and Brits are the defenders of all that is just. A whole mission consisted of mowing down unarmed Russian civilians, and the player has no choice in their participation. I swear, whoever's making the new Call of Duty games are a bunch of quasi-fascist douchebags, someone needs to get the series back to where it started.

I agree that the politics are bad, but I think that it's still fun as hell to play. Technically amazing, too.

[comrade_cyanide444]

Well, from the looks of it, it might be some Vietnam, some mid 80's. I don't think it will be as politically charged as MW2. In MW2 the Ultranationalists have the sickle and hammer on their flag. According to the wiki, they are more NazBol Fascist Asshole than real Communists (hence the word "Ultranationalist"). MW2 was just a huge smear on Russia. I don't get it at all. Not that it bothers me too much, but Russia should step up and make an extremely anti-American game where America invades Mexico and Russia. Watch the sparks fly then.

UPDATE: Never mind... It looks like this may be the most anti-Russian and anti-Communist CoD game to date. Check out the analysis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=292tCSCvFQY

[AK]

I looked up on wikipedia, saw this snippet



Yea, I think we all see what direction this kind of game will go to.

The other thing to remember really though is that CoD caters to what a mainstream gamer wants, and the typically make games where there's a fairly set sense of "good guy" and "bad guy", so they can get to the action. For most Americans this will generally mean that the game won't be in a position where you are killing American soldiers in the course of a game plot.

Not like it matters much anyways, they focus on MP heavily nowadays and different ways they can milk that.
You could play as the Wermacht and the Red Army in WaW...

Anyway, I hope we get to play a "My Lai" mission.

[Red Commissar]

You could play as the Wermacht and the Red Army in WaW...

I'm not saying that you couldn't play as people other than Americans. What I'm saying that is in the course of the game's single-player story, you can't be in the position to kill American soldiers.

In MP it's a different story, because it's more of a team deal than an ideological one.

In any sort of SP campaign, no matter how half-assed it is, there will be ideological and political things going on and I don't think the American public will tolerate a game that involves killing American soldiers for too long. MW 2 got enough attention with the issue surrounding the airport level.

Again though, if it's in MP, it doesn't matter, but in the context of single-player it might cause issues, particularly for a really mainstream game with a lot of press. More low key games can avoid that scrutiny.

[Comrade Phil]

The single player mode of Vietcong 2 had a secondary campaign in which you assume the role of a vietcong guerilla whose village was destroyed by ARVN soldiers. You fight a lot of ARVN and US soldiers throughout the campaign and there is some mention of "Ho Chi Minh and The People's Party". It's worth getting a hold of if you can stand the dated graphics and AI.

[howblackisyourflag]

Off-topic a little, but do people really think that the US 'lost' Vietnam?

Sure they had to withdraw, but they completely destroyed the country and it never really recovered, not in the short time anyway, and some say the real goal of Vietnam was to stop comunism spreading to Indonesia, the prize of S.E Asia with all its mineral wealth, which didnt happen. So didnt the US really win?

[Leonid Brozhnev]

There was a Battlefield: Vietnam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Vietnam) game, but never played it. From the wiki page I gather that you can play as the Viet Cong though.

I had that, was an excellent game. Was pretty unbalanced though, the US had much more advanced weaponry; Napalm, F-4 Phantom II's armed with Sidewinder missiles, PT boats armed to the teeth with MG's and a Heavy Weapon Class choice that not only gave the guy an M60 LMG but also a fricking M72 LAW launcher... sure that was fixed in a later patch though. If you wanted to tip the balance, you had to steal US gear... there wasn't any Guerilla warfare involved, it was basically just like a normal Battlefield game.

The new CoD sounds alright, nothing special, but i'll probably check it out.

[Tablo]

Meh, I played CoD2 quite competitively and got really good. I got about 250 kills once in a 30 minute game. It was pretty insane. I haven't really liked any of their games since then. Now that I'm getting back into competitive gaming I am more interested in StarCraft 2.

[Scary Monster]

Meh, I played CoD2 quite competitively and got really good. I got about 250 kills once in a 30 minute game. It was pretty insane. I haven't really liked any of their games since then. Now that I'm getting back into competitive gaming I am more interested in StarCraft 2.

Ewww starcraft 2... :p Its all about Dawn of War 1 and 2, baby ;)
Seriously what the hell is starcraft 2? I checked it out before, and its nothing but these little things going back and forth between the base and those little blue crystals. Pretty dang boring.

So does anyone know how communism is portrayed in CoD vietnam? I saw a preview of it and the guys doin commentary on it says something like "...maybe that imagery represents the rise of evil and fighting it, you know like, the rise of communism and the war against it" :blink: I had a huge face-palm, forehead-slapping moment when i heard that. And they have a dramatic scene of what seems to be Fidel Castro from behind, watching a ballistic missle launch :rolleyes: I sense theres going to be some terribly annoying anti-communist bullshit in this next installment

[comrade_cyanide444]

I agree. I just watched the trailer. I could tolerate MW2 and MW, because the enemy was supposedly a bunch of National Bolsheviks (basically sickening Fascism/Nationalism draped under "leftist" ideals). This is going to be severely preachy bullshit. There seems to be missions in the USSR. They are going to make Soviet soldiers look like total monsters.... Just like during the Cold War movies. Same with the Vietcong. It's really sad to see this happening. The US just can't get over the Cold War, and the fact that they got their asses kicked (provided that the Vietnamese suffered many casualties) in Vietnam. Meanwhile, Russia's gotten over it, but still keeps old nostalgia.... it really pisses me off. Russia should make some totally anti-American games where you mow down Marines and USSOCOM because they invaded Russia.

[Dr Mindbender]

A whole mission consisted of mowing down unarmed Russian civilians, and the player has no choice in their participation.

Actually, thats not technically true. Right at the start of the game it flashes with a warning that you might find that mission offensive and you have the option to skip it entirely. Although i dont think it was entirely anti-Russian, it entertains the idea that the US are in cahoots by sending their agent over.

I think this game may have anti-US undertones in a way. The name black ops, rings of the game 'Black' that was released in 2005 on the PS2 which was about 'evil USA' in its cloak and dagger shenanigans overseas. Hopefully it will pay at least some progressive lip service.

Nonetheless, i will get this and im looking forward to seeing how the multiplayer runs if nothing else, hopefully theyve got some new kickarse ideas for killstreak awards- napalm attacks anyone?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I think this game may have anti-US undertones in a way. The name black ops, rings of the game 'Black' that was released in 2005 on the PS2 which was about 'evil USA' in its cloak and dagger shenanigans overseas. Hopefully it will pay at least some progressive lip service.

BLACK was actually a pretty fun shooter. I've been waiting for the sequel for a while now.

[Dr Mindbender]

BLACK was actually a pretty fun shooter. I've been waiting for the sequel for a while now.

You can stop waiting, there isnt going to be one, sadly.

All i can find is this (http://www.destructoid.com/black-2-was-in-development-got-canceled-166328.phtml), but i know this is reliable because the developer official killed the speculation a couple of issues ago in a interview i read in Official Playstation magazine.