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Devrim
3rd May 2010, 21:24
Kyrgyzstan and Thailand- Are Revolutions Happening?
Recently the media has been talking about revolution and we have seen scenes of mass street protests and violence on our TV screens. In Kyrgyzstan, armed workers in the street kicked out the government. In Thailand, massive political protests by ‘red shirts’ have been continuing for more than a month now. For communists it is important to ask what the nature of these movements is.

Firstly the movement in Kyrgyzstan, in April, certainly included large numbers of workers on the streets. In the months preceding the events there had been massive prices increases, gas for heating had risen 400% and electricity by 170%. All this in a country where the average monthly wage is only around $30-50. Events came to a head on April 6th with a massive protest in Tals caused by another round of price increases in fuel and transport costs. These rises were directly caused by Russia’s decision to impose new duties on energy exports to Kyrgyzstan on April 1st. Demonstrators stormed the government buildings, but they were later retaken by riot police.

The following day protests in the capital, Bishek, were attacked by police who disarmed them taking control of police vehicles and automatic weapons. The demonstrations grew, and the police responded with more violence. Protestors then drove two trucks at the gates of the Presidential White house, and the police responded by firing live ammunition killing at least 41 protestors. Later in the day protestors stormed the palace, and the government was forced to flee.

The paper of the English ruling class, the Financial Times quoted exiled opposition leader, Edil Baisalov as saying "What we are seeing is a classic popular uprising. This is a revolution, and it is bloody. ...This is what happens when you hold the lid on the cooking pot too tightly - it explodes".

It is clear that the government was overthrown. The question that communists have to answer is whether this was a revolution, or whether it was a struggle in which workers were used between different groups struggling to control the state.

For us, it is very clear that what has happened here is merely a change of bosses. Interestingly enough the recently ousted President Bakayev came to power just 5 years ago in the so-called "Tulip revolution", another ‘popular’ movement. Although workers were the ones who actually overthrew the government, they weren’t fighting for their own interests. There were no workers councils, no workers organs prepared to seize power. They were being used as foot soldiers by different factions of the bosses. Roza Otunbayeva, the acting head of the provisional government was previously foreign minister of the government after the “Tulip revolution” It would be fair to say that nothing has changed but the faces of the leaders, and not even all of them.

Added to this is the international dimension. Russia and the US, who have been in dispute for some time about US bases in Kyrgyzstan and the region as a whole, were quick to deny Russian involvement. Michael McFaul, a senior United States White House adviser on Russian affairs was quick to state that the seizure of power by the Kyrgyz opposition was not anti-American in nature, and was not a Russian backed coup. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin himself denied any Russian involvement and said that the incident had personally caught him "off guard" and that "Neither Russia nor your humble servant nor Russian officials have anything to do with these events”. Unfortunately for them, the new rulers of Kyrgyzstan don’t have the same experience of playing political games. Omurbek Tekebayev, a leading figure in the new government gave the game away “Russia played its role in ousting Bakiyev. You've seen the level of Russia's joy when they saw Bakiyev gone”. Russia immediately recognized the new government, and Putin immediately rang Otunbayeva to ‘congratulate’ her. On the 9th April, Almazbek Atambayev, deputy head of the new government was in Moscow for ‘consultation’ with unspecified Russian government officials according to the official Russian state news agency.

The events in Thailand also seem to be a struggle between different factions of the ruling class. The ‘Red Shirts’ the nickname of the ‘National United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship’ is mostly a movement in support of them multi-billionaire, Thaksin Shinawatra, a former Prime Minister of Thailand in exile from Thailand due to corruption charges. The ‘Red Shirt’ movement is basically one of the urban and rural poor, mobilised behind the new bourgeoisie, who are opposed to the ‘old’ military and monarchist factions. It is not a movement of, or controlled by the working class. The only workers action during this period, a strike of 8,000 workers at the Camera maker Nikon, emerged completely independently of the ‘Red shirt’ movement.

And here lies the central point of our argument. These so-called ‘revolutions’ like the ‘Green movement’ in Iran recently are not movements of the working class. Yes, there are many workers involved in them, and probably in the case of Kyrgyzstan a majority of the participants were workers, but they take part in these actions as individuals not as workers. The movement of the working class is one that can only be based upon class struggle of workers for their own interests, not cross-class alliances and populist movements. It is only within a massive movement of strikes that the working class can develop its own organs, mass meetings, strike committees and ultimately workers’ councils, that can assert working class control over the movement, and develop a struggle for working class interests. Outside of this perspective is only the possibility of workers being used as cannon-fodder for different political factions. In Greece, perhaps, we can see the very start of the long slow development towards this process. In Kyrgyzstan, and Thailand, we only see workers getting shot down in the streets on behalf of those who want to be the new bosses

http://tr.internationalism.org/duenya-devrimi-2010s/duenya-devrimi-7/kirgizistan-ve-tayland-devrimler-mi-oluyor

Devrim

Jenska
3rd May 2010, 21:57
Don't expect too much of the aftermath from the recent bloody uprising in Kyrgyzstan. 5 years ago the similar thing happened there, when a people's uprising overthrowed the regime of Askar Akayev. Then Bakiyev rosed to power and all the rest is history..

Red Commissar
3rd May 2010, 23:18
I am reminded of what an elderly fellow in Kyrgyzstan said in regards to the political strife in his country, saying they needed true revolutionaries like Lenin, saying that this uprising was simply one of "the rich fight each other using the people."

This is particularly evident in Thailand. Like the article says the UDD is being manipulated by populist bantering from a new group of bourgeoisie represented by the likes of Thaksin.

That being said though, all power to the people.

Die Neue Zeit
4th May 2010, 04:39
It is only within a massive movement of strikes that the working class can develop its own organs, mass meetings, strike committees and ultimately workers’ councils, that can assert working class control over the movement, and develop a struggle for working class interests. Outside of this perspective is only the possibility of workers being used as cannon-fodder for different political factions.

The article stated all the obvious and collapsed towards the end. Why are you still in denial that the so-called "communist left" has a fetish for strikes, dismissing all other, clearly more political forms of struggle as "workers being used as cannon-fodder"?

Devrim
4th May 2010, 06:53
The article stated all the obvious and collapsed towards the end. Why are you still in denial that the so-called "communist left" has a fetish for strikes, dismissing all other, clearly more political forms of struggle as "workers being used as cannon-fodder"?

What 'more political forms of struggle' do you mean, elections?

Devrim

Die Neue Zeit
4th May 2010, 06:57
I mean real movement building, which is real party building, inclusive of all aspects of alternative culture ("[paying] attention to the daily demands and needs of workers without yielding its claim to revolutionary, anti-capitalist politics"), election campaigning and other party-organized mass meetings where appropriate, party-organized spoilage campaigns (for those tuned off to politics but realistic to realize the dead-end of abstentions), and party-organized strikes (for those who realize that "spontaneous" strikes are almost always economistic) - in short, "an outstanding role model for left politics today."

zimmerwald1915
4th May 2010, 09:56
I mean real movement building, which is real party building, inclusive of all aspects of alternative culture ("[paying] attention to the daily demands and needs of workers without yielding its claim to revolutionary, anti-capitalist politics"), election campaigning and other party-organized mass meetings where appropriate, party-organized spoilage campaigns (for those tuned off to politics but realistic to realize the dead-end of abstentions), and party-organized strikes (for those who realize that "spontaneous" strikes are almost always economistic) - in short, "an outstanding role model for left politics today."
In other words, "yes".

Die Neue Zeit
4th May 2010, 14:24
Not really. Political support isn't the same thing as electoral support. You can have too many protest votes not indicating support for the party program, such as Russian liberals protest-voting for the KPRF. Political support can also be found outside voting for the party, such as supporting party-organized spoilage campaigns.

The best indicator of political support by far is party membership.

bricolage
4th May 2010, 14:57
I'm not agreeing with Jacob (mainly because I can't understand what you are talking about) but I am interested in regards to the statement he highlighted;

"It is only within a massive movement of strikes that the working class can develop its own organs, mass meetings, strike committees and ultimately workers’ councils, that can assert working class control over the movement, and develop a struggle for working class interests."

Does the left communist position dismiss all tactics besides strikes?

Devrim
4th May 2010, 20:57
I'm not agreeing with Jacob (mainly because I can't understand what you are talking about)

I think that everyone here has the same problem with regards to what he is talking about. I will try to answer your question though which is much more clear and understandable:


but I am interested in regards to the statement he highlighted;

"It is only within a massive movement of strikes that the working class can develop its own organs, mass meetings, strike committees and ultimately workers’ councils, that can assert working class control over the movement, and develop a struggle for working class interests."

Does the left communist position dismiss all tactics besides strikes?

No we don't at all. We do believe, however, that the power of the working class is concentrated at the point of production. We support different tactics too, but realise that that a movement that gives the working class the chance to organise itself is essential. We believe that only the working class can change society, and that that does mean struggle in the workplace as workers.

I think a except from a recent piece on Iran from World Revolution, our publication in the UK, puts it well:


So where do the communists stand on events in Iran today? That the Green movement is a completely bourgeois movement with nothing to offer workers seems to us very clear. Also it seems that it is also losing momentum. While the initial protests brought hundreds of thousands out into the streets, the numbers today seem to be getting smaller and smaller. It seemed possible in the early days of the struggle that the working class might make impose itself on the situation. After the repression used by the police against demonstrators in Tehran, workers at the massive Khodro car factory walked out on a twenty four hour strike, not in support of either candidate in the election, but against the violence used by the state. But apart from a few statements from the bus drivers' union, this was the limit of workers' participation in the movement as workers. Yes, of course there were many workers involved in the protests, but they were there as isolated individuals, not as a collective force. In these situations, in a cross-class movement, which all of the various reports coming out of Iran from different leftist groups seem to agree that it was, without acting as a collective force, workers can only be submerged in the great mass of ‘the people', a mass that is being used by other class forces to further their own interests.
What the ICC wrote in 1979 commenting on the Iranian revolution still rings true today. In fact the absence of the working class from the struggles of the last year confirms it: "For all the talk of people in the streets overthrowing the regime, what was clear in 1979 was that the strikes of the Iranian workers were the major, political element leading to the overthrow of the Shah's regime. Despite the mass mobilisations, when the ‘popular' movement - regrouping almost all the oppressed strata in Iran - began to exhaust itself, the entry into the struggle of the Iranian proletariat at the beginning of October 1978, most notably in the oil sector, not only refuelled the agitation, but posed a virtually insolvable problem for the national capital, in the absence of a replacement being found for the old governmental team. Repression was enough to cause the retreat of the small merchants, the students and those without work, but it proved a powerless weapon of the bourgeoisie when confronted with the economic paralysis provoked by the strikes of the workers."


Devrim

Devrim
4th May 2010, 21:06
I mean real movement building, which is real party building,

Of course we want to build a party. You can not just bring one into existence by will power alone. It develops as a part of the class struggle.


election campaigning

Well yes, that is what you are suggesting really isn't it.


party-organized spoilage campaigns (for those tuned off to politics but realistic to realize the dead-end of abstentions),

You talk about us having fetishes. This to me is one of your most bizarre ones, which really is saying something.


and party-organized strikes (for those who realize that "spontaneous" strikes are almost always economistic) -

Have you ever been in a strike called by a party. I haven't. Come to think of it, have you ever been on strike? That just isn't the way it happens in reality in periods like this.


The article stated all the obvious and collapsed towards the end.

Yes, because one of the tasks of communists is to play a role in the task of clarification within the working class.

Devrim

Axle
4th May 2010, 21:30
I'm unsure of the situation in Thailand, but Kyrgyzstan is not in the middle of a revolution. A power struggle, yes...but not a worker's revolution.