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black magick hustla
3rd May 2010, 03:56
i was thinking about this. a lot of people who talk about comprador bourgeosie or whatever say that, in contrast with some sectors of the national bosses, they let imperialists loot for profit. however, this is true to a certain extent but, how is the alternative a possibility? i mean in order to industralieze, third world bosses ask international corporations to come so that they develop the means of production. i mean, when porfirio diaz asked the european and american imperialists to come to mexico to build the train rails, it wasnt because porfirio diaz was just greedy. it was because mexico didnt have the means to industralize by itself.

"socialist countries" did exactly the same thing, except that they would ask the soviet bosses to do that. do you think that if in nepal, if the maoists expell the comprador bosses, they wouldnt turn into something similar? nepal doesnt have the means to industralize itself.

the leftist boss parties in mexico always talk about stuff like "giving internet" to every community or scaremongering about the international corporations. i think their promises are made of sand. i dont think in a world capitalist economy its possible for a country to be independent.

black magick hustla
3rd May 2010, 05:05
'helping hand' of imperialism, which is complete BS, as their only aim is to loot the colonies and deprive them of any means of self sustenance.

Don't be silly. Lenin had to trade with the imperialists. My point is that third world countries cannot industralize under capitalism, not so much that the imperialists "can" help them. Don't make me look for the statement a Maoist statesman said about Nepal, where he welcomed "external investors".

Saorsa
3rd May 2010, 05:28
Maldoror is right on this one really. Looking at Nepal specifically, the Maoists do want foreign investment, and they'll need it later. Nepal has the 2nd highest potential in the world for hydropower, and it could lift them out of poverty, but they have neither the technology nor the expertise to build these projects themselves. They'll need foreign help, which requires either aid or foreign capital.

I don't think it's possible for a small, poor country to raise living standards and build a modern economy if it decides to be an autarky. Nobody can just step outside of the world market. At least the USSR had the Ukraine to feed it and shitloads of oil, metal, minerals and so on to build things and industrialise with. Most countries don't have such a plethora of resources within their borders.

Die Neue Zeit
3rd May 2010, 05:55
If I recall, Russian Social Democracy advocated the repudiation of state debts as part of their minimum program, but knowing that development on the lines of commodity production was necessary, they clearly meant only czarist state debts and not new debts they would incur.

In fact, Trotsky himself said to the foreign powers that they needed to cancel those old debts precisely in order to get off on a better trade footing. I'm sure the New Economic Policy resulted in Russia incurring new debts.