Car Bomb in Times Square

[The Inquisitor]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02timessquare.html

Could this be the beginning of something?

[The Red Next Door]

Right Wing terrorism, hopefully, because if some leftist did this shit, it fucking counter revolutionary and anti-productive.

[The Inquisitor]

Whoever did it got away, but I'm sure the police would fabricate a black Muslim as the perpetrator if people got restless about it.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Could be anyone, right wingers, Nazis, Islamists, maybe just some crazy pissed off person, but it wasn't communists, communists do not kill tourists and theatregoers, these people are generally workers and thus, our friends.

[The Inquisitor]

Could be anyone, right wingers, Nazis, Islamists, maybe just some crazy pissed off person, but it wasn't communists, communists do not kill tourists and theatregoers, these people are generally workers and thus, our friends.

Indeed. What I'm afraid of is the fact that whoever did it got away. That alone might "invite" more attempts to do similar acts.

[x371322]

I agree with MidwestAnarcho. Hopefully it's a crazy rightwinger. Did anyone notice if the car's radio was left on Limbaugh? :laugh:

[The Vegan Marxist]

Could be anyone, right wingers, Nazis, Islamists, maybe just some crazy pissed off person, but it wasn't communists, communists do not kill tourists and theatregoers, these people are generally workers and thus, our friends.

we shouldn't say it wasn't a communist since Joseph Stack was one yet he took the risk of killing other workers due to his anger. It's unfortunate, but it's still possible.

[Antifa94]

The taliban has taken responsibility.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64125320100502
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7669794/Times-Square-car-bomb-Pakistani-Taliban-claims-responsibility.html

[The Vegan Marxist]

The taliban has taken responsibility.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64125320100502
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7669794/Times-Square-car-bomb-Pakistani-Taliban-claims-responsibility.html

Greaaaaaat!....:rolleyes: Not only have we pissed off al Qaeda to where they attack & bring down buildings, we've now pissed off the Taliban to where they're trying to kill innocent Americans too. Boy do I love America & it's government! :D

[Spawn of Stalin]

Bloody Islamists. Still, it's not like this was unprovoked, right?

[RadioRaheem84]

And Americans will not learn from this. That violence begets more violence.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Not even another 9/11 would make them see that comrade, they just get more and more pissed off

[The Vegan Marxist]

Not even another 9/11 would make them see that comrade, they just get more and more pissed off

Unfortunately, this is the absolute truth.

[Antifa94]

This will lead to more racism, more of an Orwellian state too.
If there is(god forbid) a muslim holocaust, I think that the terrorists will expedite it.
Why? Because racist governments can broadcast a message saying that interning muslims is for your safety and that they are all terrorists.

[Antifa94]

GrEAT,JUST BLOODY FUCKING GREAT.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/02/sports/AP-Pittsburgh-Marathon-Explosive.html?_r=1

[The Vegan Marxist]

GrEAT,JUST BLOODY FUCKING GREAT.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/02/sports/AP-Pittsburgh-Marathon-Explosive.html?_r=1

Damn! The Taliban got multiple targets. I wonder how many there are?

[Antifa94]

Yes, and how long it will be until one actually explodes.

[ellipsis]

I love how it is a big deal in the U.S. when people make crappy bombs that don't work i.e. underpants bomber.

[Proletarian Ultra]

The taliban has taken responsibility.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64125320100502
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7669794/Times-Square-car-bomb-Pakistani-Taliban-claims-responsibility.html

Pakistani Taliban. Yeah right.

Pakistani Taliban = Inter-Services Intelligence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Services_Intelligence).

(Guess who pays their bills.)

We've seen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension) this shit before (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Moro#Alternative_points_of_view_about_Moro.27 s_death).

[Red Commissar]

NYPD officials are analyzing security footage, but seem to have dismissed claims of taliban involvement because they say they have no evidence tying them to it.

Rather they seem to be focusing on some footage they've acquired, particularly of what they estimate to be a 40 year old male ducking out into an alley and changing shirts close to where the car was left.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0216112220100502
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_times_square_car_bomb;_ylt=AtKVO1FQstZZZfsuqjkK HVhH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTNkMzVnZzliBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAw NTAyL3VzX3RpbWVzX3NxdWFyZV9jYXJfYm9tYgRjY29kZQNtb3 N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9y aWVzBHNsawNueXBkdmlkZW9oYXM-

[The Vegan Marxist]

NYPD officials are analyzing security footage, but seem to have dismissed claims of taliban involvement because they say they have no evidence tying them to it.

Rather they seem to be focusing on some footage they've acquired, particularly of what they estimate to be a 40 year old male ducking out into an alley and changing shirts close to where the car was left.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0216112220100502
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_times_square_car_bomb;_ylt=AtKVO1FQstZZZfsuqjkK HVhH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTNkMzVnZzliBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAw NTAyL3VzX3RpbWVzX3NxdWFyZV9jYXJfYm9tYgRjY29kZQNtb3 N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9y aWVzBHNsawNueXBkdmlkZW9oYXM-

Still could've been a man hired by the Taliban. Just the notion of it being an old white man says nothing in my view. Just what his features are. As you can see, there's a hint of racial bias in this claim as well, because they're claiming that, just because he was a white old man, he couldn't have been the Taliban or anybody around those areas.

[Delenda Carthago]

Pakistani Taliban. Yeah right.

Pakistani Taliban = Inter-Services Intelligence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Services_Intelligence).

(Guess who pays their bills.)

We've seen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension) this shit before (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Moro#Alternative_points_of_view_about_Moro.27 s_death).

The alternative points of view on Moro's death are stupid.RB was a huge organisation and Moro's death was descided by elections.Matter of fact,most of the already prisoned members of the Brigades,voted to kill Moro.

It might be a sort of strategy of tension,but I think its most likely its real.

[RED DAVE]

Apparently (and I'm watching a report on TV now), street vendors spotted a suspicious vehicle. It started smoking, and a mounted policeman started clearing people away.

Terrorism almost always drives the population to the right. The experience of the Russian terrorists in the 19th Century proved this way over 100 years ago. They managed to assassinate the Tsar. Nothing was accomplished until the establishment of Marxist organizations.

RED DAVE

[Stand Your Ground]

And Americans will not learn from this. That violence begets more violence.
I can understand if they were attacking the government & the armed forces, but not innocent people. I know the government is using the soldiers and killing alot of innocent people, but that's not our fault.

[Salyut]

Rather they seem to be focusing on some footage they've acquired, particularly of what they estimate to be a 40 year old male ducking out into an alley and changing shirts close to where the car was left.

Calling it now: right wing terrorism.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Let's say it was right-wing terrorism..who? who do we know that has connections from New York to Pittsburgh?

[RadioRaheem84]

Taliban and Islamic Extremists are right wing in my eyes.

[Salyut]

Let's say it was right-wing terrorism..who? who do we know that has connections from New York to Pittsburgh?

One of the neo-nazi organizations or the Army of God. I'm gonna guess lone wolf.

[RadioRaheem84]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_times_square_car_bomb

Why was the media so quick to say it was the Taliban because some website laid claim?

It was either:

1.) The Taliban hiring or an indoctrinated Caucasian man working on behalf of the Taliban.

2.) A false flag attack

3.) A right wing extremist. I hate to generalize but a white man in his 40s.


Either way, all three point to right wing extremism. Thank God no one was hurt.

[Red Commissar]

They're not sure that the man they saw on the tape is the one who did it. They just said from the video tapes they've gathered so far, they can not be sure whether this claim of this Taliban in Pakistan's claim of responsibility can be proved.


"The Pakistani Taliban announces its responsibility for the New York attack in revenge for the two leaders al-Baghdadi and al-Muhajir and Muslim martyrs,"

At any rate it'll make for some nice sensationalism.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Apparently (and I'm watching a report on TV now), street vendors spotted a suspicious vehicle. It started smoking, and a mounted policeman started clearing people away.

Terrorism almost always drives the population to the right. The experience of the Russian terrorists in the 19th Century proved this way over 100 years ago. They managed to assassinate the Tsar. Nothing was accomplished until the establishment of Marxist organizations.

RED DAVE

Or using a more recent example, the RAF in Germany.

[Antifa94]

Jihad Joe, anyone?

[The Vegan Marxist]

Jihad Joe, anyone?

We have plenty of upcoming Jihad's in this country. From the right-wing militias to the Jesus-Campers. It's all gone to shit & this country is on the brink of another civil war. I think we, as Communists, need to start gaining as much workers solidarity as possible, because when the revolution begins, whether it's from us or the right-wingers, we need to be prepared, because it'll either be a revolution by us or against us.

[t.shonku]

I don't know about u guys but I personally think this is work of CIA.I think CIA along with extreme right wingers might have done this,they have done this so that the American public becomes angry at Muslims and starts supporting wars in Middle East( current statistics suggest that Americans are no longer interested in "war on terror" in Middle East)
Of-course there is another explanation this might be work of Mossad perhaps.Just to arouse the anger of American public ,so that a war with Iran starts

[The Vegan Marxist]

I don't know about u guys but I personally think this is work of CIA.I think CIA along with extreme right wingers might have done this,they have done this so that the American public becomes angry at Muslims and starts supporting wars in Middle East( current statistics suggest that Americans are no longer interested in "war on terror" in Middle East)
Of-course there is another explanation this might be work of Mossad perhaps.Just to arouse the anger of American public ,so that a war with Iran starts

Too bad they've already went against the claims of it being the work of the Taliban, eh? Not trying to be rude, but we hear enough conspiracy theories in this forum already. Trust me, if the CIA plotted this, then it wouldn't have failed, at least not 2 car bombings. The government has enough dirt against the Muslims that the majority of America already have the western mentality controlling their actions, in which is being used to a possible upcoming right-winger revolution, because of said mentality.

[Invincible Summer]

The local media here did report on how the Pakistan Taliban claimed responsibility, but then cut to a "terrorism expert" that said that the Pakistani Taliban are known for exaggeration and claiming responsibility for things they "obviously" didn't do or were involved in.

I was sort of relieved that they didn't take an immediately sensationalist stance, claiming Muslim extremists. But is their claim true?

[t.shonku]

We have plenty of upcoming Jihad's in this country. From the right-wing militias to the Jesus-Campers. It's all gone to shit & this country is on the brink of another civil war. I think we, as Communists, need to start gaining as much workers solidarity as possible, because when the revolution begins, whether it's from us or the right-wingers, we need to be prepared, because it'll either be a revolution by us or against us. So what r u trying to suggest is that USA is going to disintegrate in future?Hmmm could be, USA have a history of civil wars.But I personally don't think that entire USA is going to become communist,as far my knowledge goes the southern parts of USA is inhabited by peoples who read nothing else but bible.I think communism will come in those parts of USA inhabited by Blacks,Latinos and Asians and industrial cities inhabited by discontented workers.I WOULD LOVE TO SEE RED FLAG FLYING OVER WHITE HOUSE.:thumbup1:

[the last donut of the night]

Whoever did this, it's gonna be an excuse for the American state to further push its fear-mongering and racist agenda upon working people.

[The Vegan Marxist]

So what r u trying to suggest is that USA is going to disintegrate in future?Hmmm could be, USA have a history of civil wars.But I personally don't think that entire USA is going to become communist,as far my knowledge goes the southern parts of USA is inhabited by peoples who read nothing else but bible.I think communism will come in those parts of USA inhabited by Blacks,Latinos and Asians and industrial cities inhabited by discontented workers.I WOULD LOVE TO SEE RED FLAG FLYING OVER WHITE HOUSE.:thumbup1:

Never said the U.S. will go Communist because of the disintegration, rather quite the opposite. But I am saying that we, Communists, need to start arming up & gaining as much workers solidarity as possible, because this country is on a brink of revolutionary civil war between the right-wing & everything else - ranging from the government to all "progressives" (independents, liberals, environmentalists, socialists, communists, etc.)

[t.shonku]

Never said the U.S. will go Communist because of the disintegration, rather quite the opposite. But I am saying that we, Communists, need to start arming up & gaining as much workers solidarity as possible, because this country is on a brink of revolutionary civil war between the right-wing & everything else - ranging from the government to all "progressives" (independents, liberals, environmentalists, socialists, communists, etc.)
Ok now I can understand ,so situation in USA is like that of Germany after World War 1 (like in 1920s) when unemployment was high and streets in Berlin was filled up with fights between Right wingers and communists.If that’s the case then the American left must learn from the mistakes made by German communists in 1920s .The American left must destroy this right wingers before they siege power,or else an American Hitler may rise.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Ok now I can understand ,so situation in USA is like that of Germany after World War 1 (like in 1920s) when unemployment was high and streets in Berlin was filled up with fights between Right wingers and communists.If that’s the case then the American left must learn from the mistakes made by German communists in 1920s .The American left must destroy this right wingers before they siege power,or else an American Hitler may rise.

We're already seeing signs of fascist rulings taking place in America. Just look at Arizona & the laws that it's passed against the Latino community. They're now searching, beating, & arresting anybody that is mexican, & even firing teachers & harassing them because they're mexican. So I'd agree. America needs to learn from the past, or America is doomed.

[RadioRaheem84]

Ok now I can understand ,so situation in USA is like that of Germany after World War 1 (like in 1920s) when unemployment was high and streets in Berlin was filled up with fights between Right wingers and communists.If that’s the case then the American left must learn from the mistakes made by German communists in 1920s .The American left must destroy this right wingers before they siege power,or else an American Hitler may rise.

The State of America is like that of Wiemar Germany after the Crash, only way less intense. I mean people aren't burning money to stay alive (or was the only during the inflation period?).

I wouldn't be surprised if we were to see roving bands of right wing para military groups soon like some of the FreiKorps.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Well first of all I'm very glad they didn't ignite.

Secondly my instincts say right wing, but some Islamists do have seem to have a fetish for attacking NYC. But I have to say that the fact it was a bomb left in a car seems somewhat atypical of Islamic bombings. Obviously London and Madrid contradict this but it seems like suicide bombings are more in vogue.

Meanwhile, this seems reminiscent of Timothy McVeigh parking a truck and walking away, and only getting caught by the fact he used his real name when he rented the vehicle. (It may have been his accomplices name, can't remember for sure).

[The Vegan Marxist]

Military recruiters target of Times Square bomb?

The Nissan Pathfinder that contained a crude bomb was parked only yards from an Armed Forces recruiting station in Times Square that has been the target of an earlier anarchist attack and protests, lending credence to theories that the device was assembled by relative amateurs, not al-Qaeda-affiliated operatives.

But a laboratory examination of the bomb’s wiring will tell authorities much more about its origin, former counterterrorism officials say.

Police said the device, which included three propane canisters and two five-gallon cans of gasoline, was not sophisticated.

“Consumer-grade fireworks, resembling a model known as M-80s, were taped around the outside of the gasoline cans,” The New York Times reported, quoting “several people briefed on the contents of the car.”

“Two clocks with batteries, including one that resembled a child’s toy, were connected to the device by small wires,” the paper’s Web site said.

But investigators were also "trying to identify the contents of a heavy steel case found locked in the vehicle," The Post reported.

“The fireworks seem very screwy,” Charles Faddis, who headed the CIA Counterterrorism Center’s weapons of mass destruction unit when he retired in 2008, said by e-mail.

“The only rational reason to use a firework of some kind would be as a fuse. If you have a simple mechanical fuse, why do you have clocks? Either you are confused-inexperienced-crazy, or you are just messing with people for some reason,” Faddis added.


“Sounds like homegrown stuff to me …” said another senior former CIA official, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because he still consults with the government on sensitive cases, “but if it is [al-Qaeda] related, they have lost significant capability if this is what they are reduced to.”

Former White House terrorism advisor Richard A. Clarke said the incident “was similar to” the car bomb discovered outside the Tiger Tiger nightclub in London in 2007, which involved a Mercedes packed with gasoline.

Police found a cell phone in the car, and a second car bomb was discovered later before it exploded, leading to suspicions that they were the work of al-Qaeda operatives or sympathizers.

“But it’s very amateur,” Clarke said of the Times Square bomb. “It could be a lone wolf, it could be any or all of the above, including a lone-wolf Islamist. We have to remain open-minded about who it could be.”

New York authorities scheduled a press conference for 3 p.m. Sunday.

DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said Sunday that her department is handling the incident as a potential terrorist attack but saw no larger plot at work.

“Right now, we have no evidence other than it is a one-off,” she said on ABC’s “This Week.”

One hallmark of most al-Qaeda-affiliated attacks has been a willingness of Islamist bombers to go up in flames with their handiwork, whether in Iraq, on airliners, or in the 2005 attacks on the London transport system.

American radicals, in contrast, like to live to see their bombs go off.

A bicyclist tossed a small bomb at the Armed Forces Recruiting Center in Times Square in the middle of the night of March 6, 2008. No one was injured and the recruiting center suffered only minimal damage.

Anonymous letters sent to Capitol Hill, railing against the Iraq War, claimed “We did it.”

The recruiting center, on a small traffic island between Broadway and 7th Avenue, was also the target of an “anarchist” protest in March 2009, according to news reports at the time.

Police and FBI agents are investigating a 911 call placed at 4 a.m. Sunday from a public telephone near Times Square warning of an imminent explosion.

According to a news report, the car bomb in was only “a diversion.”

Faddis, also author of “Willful Neglect, The Dangerous Illusion of Homeland Security,” said “terrorist groups all around the world have run probing ops in the past. Leave a package outside an embassy and then watch how security deals with it.”

“Let's hope it is not the latter, because that would imply some very smart boys have something much bigger in mind,” he said.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/counterterrorism_experts_asses.html

[Devrim]

3.) A right wing extremist. I hate to generalize but a white man in his 40s.

So white men in their forties are what exactly? I was at a Mayday demonstration the other day, and I think I saw a few thousands white men in their forties there alongside a wide mix of other people.


It was either:

1.) The Taliban hiring or an indoctrinated Caucasian man working on behalf of the Taliban. Many Muslims and people in the Middle East are white. Caucasians, as a specific ethnic group, not the modern racial classification that is named after them, are white and generally Muslim. I work with a Caucasian guy.


The State of America is like that of Wiemar Germany after the Crash, only way less intense. I mean people aren't burning money to stay alive (or was the only during the inflation period?).

Oh dear. Well, yes people only burnt money to stay alive during the inflation period. They did it because it was worth nothing. The US is nothing like 1920s Germany at the moment. At the worst point of the post war economic crisis in Germany inflation as running at 29,500% per month. This means that prices double in less than 4 days. Inflation in the US at the moment is currently running at 2.3% a year.

The US like the rest of the world is in deep crisis. It is not yet catastrophic like it was in German in the 1920s. Even in Greece, it hasn't got to that point. Until very recently Turkey had high inflation. Look at the two notes:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/E7_20.000.000_%C3%B6n_y%C3%BCz.jpg

This is 20,000,000 Turkish Lira

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/20_YTL_%C3%B6n.jpg

This is 20 Yeni (new)Turkish Lira (notice they are the same note).

They knocked six zeros off the currency. I can remember things like the currency losing 60% of its value in a day, getting four pay rises a year, and still not keeping up with inflation, a barman asking me in the middle of the afternoon if I would like to pay my bill and start a new one before they double the prices. These were tough years, but this is not hyperinflation, and the country wasn't in a catastrophic crisis.


I wouldn't be surprised if we were to see roving bands of right wing para military groups soon like some of the FreiKorps.

I would be. Get real.

Devrim

[RadioRaheem84]

So white men in their forties are what exactly? I was at a Mayday demonstration the other day, and I think I saw a few thousands white men in their forties there alongside a wide mix of other people.

I knew this comment was going to attract attention. It just so happens though that a lot of right wing extremism in this country is due to middle ages Caucasian men. Look, if you were able to generalize that most Arab were anti-Semitic by casual observation, then by the same token I was just throwing it out there that if a white man in his forties was spotted near the car in question, than my first thought was right wing extremist, not Taliban.


Many Muslims and people in the Middle East are white. Caucasians, as a specific ethnic group, not the modern racial classification that is named after them, are white and generally Muslim. I work with a Caucasian guy.

Of course. What is your point? The Taliban hiring was meant to mean they were just hiring a Caucasian man that could've been a Muslim, the next line implied that it was a totally converted American caucasian.


Oh dear. Well, yes people only burnt money to stay alive during the inflation period. They did it because it was worth nothing. The US is nothing like 1920s Germany at the moment. At the worst point of the post war economic crisis in Germany inflation as running at 29,500% per month. This means that prices double in less than 4 days. Inflation in the US at the moment is currently running at 2.3% a year.

The US like the rest of the world is in deep crisis. It is not yet catastrophic like it was in German in the 1920s. Even in Greece, it hasn't got to that point. Until very recently Turkey had high inflation. Look at the two notes:

Devrim, the tension is mounting in the States and the political situation if it were not controlled, would look like Wiemar Germany. It's way less intense in the sense that the economic situation is not bad to foment a really bad political situation. And believe me, if something like what happened in Turkey, happened here in States, you could expect some serious political tension.

Look, there was no need to pull pics of money and offer a consise detail of Turkish inflation. No point in that except to bitterly argue a scenerio that might happen in the States. The tension is here and ripe for some form of major instability if the shit were to really hit the fan. That is just my opinion of the way I see it. I think you're being a little too combatitive over percieved scenerios.


I would be. Get real.

I wouldn't be. Your point? What's the next smarmy response?

[chegitz guevara]

we shouldn't say it wasn't a communist since Joseph Stack was one yet he took the risk of killing other workers due to his anger. It's unfortunate, but it's still possible.

Joe Stack wasn't a commie.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Joe Stack wasn't a commie.

There's no reason why one could say he wasn't a supporter in the ideal.

[RadioRaheem84]

All I know is that it sucked how the right wing media treated Mr. Stack and his trauma that caused him to do such a thing. The guy was no hero and it was awful of him to commit such an act, but the right wing radio hosts didn't want to examine just what drove a man to such lengths, didn't want to discuss current societal problems and why people cannot get by in this economy. I mean this was a perfect time to reflect on just what the hell is driving Americans to such irrational behavior, droves running to religion, crime and militia type groups. Instead, the right wing media called him a "loser", and literally made fun of him and told people to pay him no mind, he was just a loon to not even examine.

They do this every single time to distract from the issue at hand; that American wages have been falling due to a stagnant economy and an imperial like corporate elite that searches the globe for cheap labor. Crime, terrorism, religious extremism; all of this just comes out of a vacuum to them. "Poor choices", "lack of personal responsibility", "backward cultures", explains all this away.

[chegitz guevara]

There's no reason why one could say he wasn't a supporter in the ideal.

There's no indication to say he was, except some self-serving stuff he put in his suicide note. Wealthy people with their own businesses and planes generally aren't commies. If he really was a left-winger, the right-wing media would have been using this as an example of left-wing terrorism all over the place. They haven't. Stack was just some fool who tried to cheat the government out of taxes, and in his suicide note, pasted some populist message to gain sympathy after he killed himself trying to murder others.

[The Vegan Marxist]

There's no indication to say he was, except some self-serving stuff he put in his suicide note. Wealthy people with their own businesses and planes generally aren't commies. If he really was a left-winger, the right-wing media would have been using this as an example of left-wing terrorism all over the place. They haven't. Stack was just some fool who tried to cheat the government out of taxes, and in his suicide note, pasted some populist message to gain sympathy after he killed himself trying to murder others.

Actually he never said he tried cheating in his taxes & he was never a wealthy person. His main argument was how he was doing so much, yet getting so little & being exploited by the work he did. And so what if he tried starting his own company? If I was in a position to where I could do that instead of being exploited by some fat cat boss, then hell yeah I'd take that opportunity. And his plane was very old & wasn't a top-of-the-line model, & more than likely was passed down to him like most planes like that were done. Also, if you actually read his manifesto instead of listening to what some people said about him on this forum, you would've realized that not even the business he tried starting independently worked out for him. So he never gained any kind of wealth from such.

[Devrim]

Look, if you were able to generalize that most Arab were anti-Semitic by casual observation, then by the same token I was just throwing it out there that if a white man in his forties was spotted near the car in question, than my first thought was right wing extremist, not Taliban.

Of course. What is your point?

Firstly I didn't say that most Arabs were anti-Semitic (Marmot might have) I said that anti-Semitism was widespread in the Arab world. Second lots of Muslims are what you would call 'white'. Third it reminded me of somebody on here saying that you should be suspicious of people over thirty because they might be cops.


Devrim, the tension is mounting in the States and the political situation if it were not controlled, would look like Wiemar Germany. It's way less intense in the sense that the economic situation is not bad to foment a really bad political situation. And believe me, if something like what happened in Turkey, happened here in States, you could expect some serious political tension.

I don't think it is anywhere near that bad. I think that you are exaggerating wildly. It is like all the stuff about the Tea party being fascist that has been on here. I think it is important to retain a sense of proportion.


Look, there was no need to pull pics of money and offer a consise detail of Turkish inflation. No point in that except to bitterly argue a scenerio that might happen in the States.

The reason that I posted that was to give people a sense of perspective, who couldn't imagine what really high inflation was like. Although it is of course easy to envisage it intellectually, it is a very difficult thing to understand if you haven't experienced it. Just all the little things that it means like when you get paid going to change you salary at the tea-break because if you wait until lunchtime the currency will have dropped further.

My second point was that this sort of situation, which I don't think that most people on here could imagine is nothing like 1920s Germany. It was about keeping a bit of perspective.


The tension is here and ripe for some form of major instability if the shit were to really hit the fan. That is just my opinion of the way I see it. I think you're being a little too combatitive over percieved scenerios.

I don't think that it is 'too combative'. Maybe I could have been less rude and abrupt, and I apologise for that. It is important to understand what is going on. I think that your scenario is basically scaremongering, and I don't think it is in any way helpful. In fact I think it has negative effects.


I wouldn't be. Your point?

As I said above, I don't think that the ideas that you are pointing forward, such as the idea of an equivalent of the Freikorp on US streets has anything to do with what the real situation is like in the US.

Devrim

[chegitz guevara]

They caught someone. Not enough details to know anything except that he's an American citizen of Pakistani origins.

[The Vegan Marxist]

They caught someone. Not enough details to know anything except that he's an American citizen of Pakistani origins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtoHCUMpNMY

[~Spectre]

U.S. special forces were apparently involved in arresting the suspect:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/were-us-special-forces-involved-arrest-faisal-shahzad


Reports are emerging suggesting that secret US military intelligence aircraft were used to find and locate Faisal Shahzad, the man accused of attempting to set off a crude car bomb in Times Square. The CBS affiliate in New York reported (http://www.google.com/search?q=Army+Intelligence+Planes+Led+To+Suspect%2 7s+Arrest&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) today: "In the end, it was secret Army intelligence planes that did him in. Armed with his cell phone number, they circled the skies over the New York area, intercepting a call to Emirates Airlines reservations, before scrambling to catch him at John F. Kennedy International Airport." The post at 5:34 PM was titled "Army Intelligence Planes Led To Suspect's Arrest." But then at 6:21 PM, the article's title was changed (http://wcbstv.com/local/times.square.car.2.1674692.html) to "Total Time Of Investigation: 53 Hours, 20 Minutes: Faisal Shahzad In Custody After Nearly Fleeing United States." As Rayne observed (http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/45253) on FireDogLake, the paragraph about the Army planes was deleted from the CBS story. Screenshot of the original post here (http://static1.firedoglake.com/32/files/2010/05/Screenshot_WCBS-TV2-NYC_04MAY10_1825hEDT.jpg).

A US Special Operations Force source told me that the planes were likely RC-12s equipped with a Guardrail Signals Intelligence (http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/guardrail.htm) (SIGINT) system (http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/uswpns/air/special/rc12.html) that, as the plane flies overland "sucks up" digital and electronic communications. "Think of them as manned drones. They're drones, but they have men sitting in them piloting them and they can be networked together," said the source. "You have many of them--four, five, six of them--and they all act as a node and they scrape up everything, anything that's electronic and feed it back." The source added: "It sucks up everything. We've got these things in Jalalabad [Afghanistan]. We routinely fly these things over Khandahar. When I say everything, I mean BlueTooth would be effected, even the wave length that PlayStation controllers are on. They suck up everything. That's the point."
Guardrail has been used for years by the US military. In recent years, particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan, the military has also used the "Constant Hawk" and "Highlighter" aerial sensor platforms. All of these programs have recently undergone a series of upgrades.
So were US special forces involved with Shahzad's arrest?
"My conjecture at the moment is that immediately after this went down and they knew that he was on the loose, parts of the domestic counter-terrorism operations that they had set up during the Bush administration were reactivated," says the Special Forces source. "They're compartmentalized. So they kicked into high gear and were supporting law enforcement. In some cases, law enforcement may not have even known that some of the signals intelligence was coming from covert military units."
If true, that could mean that secretive programs such as "Power Geyser (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/23/national/nationalspecial3/23code.html?_r=1)" or "Granite Shadow," remain in effect. These were the unclassified names for reportedly classified, compartmentalized programs under the Bush administration that allegedly gave US military special forces sweeping authority to operate on US soil in cases involving WMD incidents or terror attacks.
"They sidestep Posse Comitatus," said the source.
The Joint Special Operations Command, which was run by Gen. Stanley McChrystal from 2003-2008, is reportedly allowed to operate on US soil. That's a result of Presidential Decision Directive 25 (PDD-25), an executive order drafted by President Clinton on May 3, 1994. The complete text remains classified, however, "The full text of PDD-25 is reported to exempt the Joint Special Operations Command from the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 18USC Sec.1385, PL86-70, Sec. 17[d]. which makes it illegal for military and law enforcement to exercise jointly," according to GlobalSecurity.org (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/dod/jsoc.htm).
Among the questions raised by the apparently central role of US special forces in the arrest of Faisal Shahzad is this: To what extent are US Special Forces permitted to operate on US soil under President Obama?
Also, Why did CBS scrub the initial mention of the involvement of Army Intelligence aircraft from its story?

[The Vegan Marxist]

U.S. special forces were apparently involved in arresting the suspect:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/were-us-special-forces-involved-arrest-faisal-shahzad

Something doesn't seem right about this story at all. Too much flip-flopping on the story.

[RadioRaheem84]

What makes me nervous is the amount of info they picked on him so fast. I had the same feeling with Joseph Stack. In less than a day, they had his whole life on the news. With this guy, they know his GPA from college, that he left a mess in his foreclosed home, his wife's social networking site, that he jogged in dark clothes, etc. I mean all of this useless info, trying to paint him as an underachieving loser who went berserk.

[The Vegan Marxist]

What makes me nervous is the amount of info they picked on him so fast. I had the same feeling with Joseph Stack. In less than a day, they had his whole life on the news. With this guy, they know his GPA from college, that he left a mess in his foreclosed home, his wife's social networking site, that he jogged in dark clothes, etc. I mean all of this useless info, trying to paint him as an underachieving loser who went berserk.

Look at what they did to Stack. They paid more attention to his personal belongings, tried making a bullshit story that he burned his house down when his family was in it (which was then found to be completely untrue), & they didn't even review or cover his manifesto that he left. Yet, here we are now, & somehow, they've got the entire story of this guy who, supposedly, tried bombing the times square. Something just seems wrong with this. And I doubt the man "cooperated" willingly like the reports have stated. This is the same thing they said about Gitmo too, though we all know what happened there.