Debate between two idealists

[Dimentio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ5FhdzF6lM&feature=player_embedded#!

I wonder how many logical fallacies these two geniuses are committing in a serial row. :laugh:

Basically, just hear them and feel your jaw fall.

[Meridian]

I love listening to occult stuff like this. Nothing like a bit of crazy to freshen up your day.

But philosophically I don't think there is much to discuss.

[Dimentio]

I love listening to occult stuff like this. Nothing like a bit of crazy to freshen up your day.

But philosophically I don't think there is much to discuss.

I think there is, due to the fact there is an axiom that the "elite" must be able to control everything and therefore is evil, since the world is evil. I see some connections to gnosticism and manicheanism, as well as to pre-modern conceptions of the world.

[Meridian]

I think there is, due to the fact there is an axiom that the "elite" must be able to control everything and therefore is evil, since the world is evil. I see some connections to gnosticism and manicheanism, as well as to pre-modern conceptions of the world.
Sure. A while ago I was pretty metaphysically inclined, and was interested in occult stuff.

Now, however, I would never say I believe in anything super-natural, and I would never try to defend or even formulate whatever interest I have in mystical stuff (because it's nonsense). Though music and the making of music usually makes me express it somehow.

As for the video provided, I think there were a lot of extremely wild empirical claims in addition to the metaphysical ones. There are probably many causes for that... Alienation and extreme division between the super-wealthy and the rest of the world may be one reason for those extraordinary claims about the 'elite'. There were also many claims that could be called 'pseudo-scientific'. I think that has a lot to do with the way information, and scientific information, is available and communicated today. People can form a completely wrong understanding of something based on skimming through a few more or less 'scientific' pages, and from there publishing their own theories on the net.

[Belisarius]

Sure. A while ago I was pretty metaphysically inclined, and was interested in occult stuff.
there is no connection between metaphysics and the occult. In metaphysics you do use logic and even experience, in the occult there's just the mental raving of some individual who is then worshipped. i read this book once about how history was actually governed by an elite force of practically all big historical figures. they "believed" in another dimension in which unicorns and giants exist. the writer even went this far as to say that the pyramids in egypt were built by collosal giants and that the first pharaos were trees. :laugh:

[Meridian]

there is no connection between metaphysics and the occult. In metaphysics you do use logic and even experience, in the occult there's just the mental raving of some individual who is then worshipped. i read this book once about how history was actually governed by an elite force of practically all big historical figures. they "believed" in another dimension in which unicorns and giants exist. the writer even went this far as to say that the pyramids in egypt were built by collosal giants and that the first pharaos were trees. :laugh:
Oh, you misread my sentence. I said: "I was pretty metaphysically inclined, AND was interested in occult stuff."

But yes, there is a connection between metaphysics and the occult. Historically, the two are 'built onto' each other and has fed off of each other. While there has existed relatively mainstream philosophers with metaphysical theories, less known is it that these theories are usually drawn directly from (what we today call 'occult' and 'esoteric') circles, religions, sects, schools, etc. Likewise, most occult sects today are mainly about the metaphysical philosophy taken to a practical level. An example here is the philosophy of Pythagoras (and partly that of Platon), of which most people know they had an extremely exalting and mystical idea of mathematics. Today, the Freemasons are largely about this (with, for example, the 'G' for geometry being in their symbol; see also "sacred geometry"). Another example is pagan nature worship and pantheism; it inspired mainstream religions and plenty of philosophers. Today, there are countless esoteric (and 'pagan', wicca, etc.) sects that take this to a practical level.

[Hit The North]

David Icke use to be a professional football goalkeeper. Just like Albert Camus and the Pope.

Just thought I'd mention it.

By the way, calling David Icke and whoever the other loony is, 'idealists', is an insult to idealists. Icke in particular is obviously deranged.

[redwasp]

peace,


OQ5FhdzF6lM

I wonder how many logical fallacies these two geniuses are committing in a serial row. :laugh:

Basically, just hear them and feel your jaw fall.

nonsensical paranoid rageings have not mucht to do with philosophy, not even with idealist philosophy. this is obscurantism in its newest form, but there is no real philosophy involved.

peace,

redwasp