India: Government forces supply arms to Maoists

[red cat]

Two CRPF jawans among four held for 'supplying' arms to Naxals


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UP: CRPF men arrested for selling arms

LUCKNOW/NEW DELHI: The Uttar Pradesh STF today arrested four people including two CRPF jawans in the state for allegedly stealing arms and ammunitions and supplying the same to the Naxals.

UP police said the arrests were made following an operation based on a tip off received in the aftermath of the Dantewada massacre, in which 76 security personnel were killed by the Naxals.

Official sources said the STF carried out searches in Moradabad, Rampur and Jhansi and arrested Vinod Paswan and Dinesh Singh of the CRPF.

They said one retired sub-inspector of Provincial Armed Constabulary, identified as Yashodhanad Singh, was seen moving in different armory centres of the CRPF and PAC and collecting empty shells of bullets fired during the training.

These shells were later replaced at the main Rampur armoury with live bullets and finally supplied to Naxals, sources said.

Over 5,000 live cartridges, 16 magazines of INSAS rifles, .25 bore guns, SLR and AK 47s were recovered besides 245 kg of empty shells.

The CRPF, meanwhile, has suspended both its personnel arrested by the STF and ordered an immediate Court of Enquiry.

"We have suspended both the personnel and have also ordered an immediate Court of Enquiry. We are in constant touch with the UP police and are extending all help to them," CRPF Director General Vikram Srivastava said.

Later, addressing the media, Additional Director General of UP police Brij Lal said, "We have also recovered large number of arms components, mobile phones and Rs 1.76 lakh in cash."

He said the network of the racket was large and has been running for more than six months and the police is questioning the four to look at the possibility of involvement of more persons.

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[Delenda Carthago]

What are the Naxals going to do after they win the revolution?

[red cat]

Provide free video-games for everyone. :)

[The Vegan Marxist]

Provide free video-games for everyone. :)

As a video game designer, that's awesome! hahaha :lol:

But still, I hope you're kidding AttackGr...

[Delenda Carthago]

No,for real.What is their program?how are they going to provide the needed to the people?India is a very poor country and in the areas that Naxals rule there are no means of production.

Which is their program to go from socialism to communism?Are they gona be authoritarian or they gonna let the people take control of their lives?


I m not very well informed on naxals.

Actually I really believe that people in here need to stop concern about Naxals and India and start dealing with revolution in their own countries.

[red cat]

Are they gona be authoritarian or they gonna let the people take control of their lives?


I think this question is a little vague. If I claimed to be a communist revolutionary, I would never admit having plans of being authoritarian. :)

[The Vegan Marxist]

What are the significant effects that this capture might bring to the Naxalites, if any?

[Nolan]

Actually I really believe that people in here need to stop concern about Naxals and India and start dealing with revolution in their own countries.

Apparently you've never been to the U.S.

[Sir Comradical]

No,for real.What is their program?how are they going to provide the needed to the people?India is a very poor country and in the areas that Naxals rule there are no means of production.

Which is their program to go from socialism to communism?Are they gona be authoritarian or they gonna let the people take control of their lives?


I m not very well informed on naxals.

Actually I really believe that people in here need to stop concern about Naxals and India and start dealing with revolution in their own countries.

"Emboldened by the people’s participation in these struggles, the party decided to confront the forest department. It encouraged people to take over forest land and cultivate it. The forest department retaliated by burning new villages that came up in forest areas. In 1986, it announced a National Park in Bijapur, which meant the eviction of 60 villages. More than half of them had already been moved out, and construction of national park infrastructure had begun when the party moved in. It demolished the construction and stopped the eviction of the remaining villages. It prevented the forest department from entering the area. On a few occasions, officials were captured, tied to trees and beaten by villagers. It was cathartic revenge for generations of exploitation. Eventually, the forest department fled. Between 1986 and 2000, the party redistributed 3,00,000 acres of forest land. Today, Comrade Venu says, there are no landless peasants in Dandakaranya."

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264738-0

I can't tell you what they'll do when they get in power but what matters is what they're doing now.

[Buddha Samurai Cadre]

The Maoists should develop small armament factories like other liberation movements have, that way you get cheap but lots of weapons, stamped parts but better than nothing.

[Nolan]

The Maoists should develop small armament factories like other liberation movements have, that way you get cheap but lots of weapons, stamped parts but better than nothing.

IIRC, the Naxalites already have done that.

[Buddha Samurai Cadre]

So i guess this incident wont lead to a shortage of arms then

[Nolan]

So i guess this incident wont lead to a shortage of arms then

Hopefully it wouldn't matter anyway. I imagine a Maoist Nepal would arm and train them.

[Buddha Samurai Cadre]

Didnt one of the leaders say he dosent believe private property should be abolished and that the revolution was capitalistic, im sure i saw a thread on here claiming so?
Cheers

[danyboy27]

and the question of the day is: how much money those guy made selling those weapon?

[scarletghoul]

Haha, the Indian state is exhibiting all the stereotypical characteristics of how to lose against a PPW- brutality, overconfidence, purely military approach, corruption...

Seems they have not studied Maoism or history at all. If they don't change their ways they are guaranteed to lose.:thumbup1:

[t.shonku]

Haha, the Indian state is exhibiting all the stereotypical characteristics of how to lose against a PPW- brutality, overconfidence, purely military approach, corruption...

Seems they have not studied Maoism or history at all. If they don't change their ways they are guaranteed to lose
You are absolutely correct this is the mentality which USA showed in Vietnam and lost,similar fate waits for the Indian capitalists.

[t.shonku]

The Maoists should develop small armament factories like other liberation movements have, that way you get cheap but lots of weapons, stamped parts but better than nothing. You are correct comrade SalfordSocialist,the Maoists are masters of improvisation they in past have built their own weapons from scratch by help of craftsman and blacksmiths in rural and sub-urban areas,this have been possible bcoz Maoists have support of craftsman and workers of rural and sub-urban areas.Search this forum you will find a lot of example to what I am saying.See the thread called "Pictures of Maoist revolutionaries in India"

[Delenda Carthago]

Apparently you've never been to the U.S.
no,never.but what do you mean?

[Spawn of Stalin]

Actually I really believe that people in here need to stop concern about Naxals and India and start dealing with revolution in their own countries.

Solidarity at its finest

[Nolan]

no,never.but what do you mean?

Revolution in the U.S.?

Lol

[The Vegan Marxist]

no,never.but what do you mean?

Those of us who live in America knows how lazy Americans are, at least of the majority of them. And those that are really into politics are just a bunch of armchair revolutionaries. So those that are actually serious, the one's you'll meet on here, are of the high minority. So America, so far, is doomed.

[Delenda Carthago]

OK look...lets talk about "revolution".

First of all,US is the capital of its own empire.In the history of mankind,revolutions in an empire started from the countryside.Your job today is to do the hard work of propaganda to the working class of USA.Its slow,its painfull,its difficult.But its what you have to do.

Other than that,the crisis now is starting to go on phase 3,where european economies are starting to collapse.The economic collapse is something that it will be done,because the working class has been pushed away in the production process by machines.So people will not be able to find jobs,so the crisis wont be able to stop.It might be in 10 years,but its coming.

In these collapsed economies,there are some countries that might start the revolutionary fire.I happen to live to the one that predictions say that is most likely to see a revolt.Personally,I care very very very much about Nepal,India and Latin America,because if they suceed,they might help me do my own revolution.So you should start caring about your own country and those close to you that your word might actually mean something,other than talk about Nepal all the time,where there is nothing you can do to help.


I told you before,the storm is coming.And its not on my hood only.Soon enough it might be on your hood.You better be ready for it.

[What Would Durruti Do?]

OK look...lets talk about "revolution".

First of all,US is the capital of its own empire.In the history of mankind,revolutions in an empire started from the countryside.Your job today is to do the hard work of propaganda to the working class of USA.Its slow,its painfull,its difficult.But its what you have to do.

Other than that,the crisis now is starting to go on phase 3,where european economies are starting to collapse.The economic collapse is something that it will be done,because the working class has been pushed away in the production process by machines.So people will not be able to find jobs,so the crisis wont be able to stop.It might be in 10 years,but its coming.

In these collapsed economies,there are some countries that might start the revolutionary fire.I happen to live to the one that predictions say that is most likely to see a revolt.Personally,I care very very very much about Nepal,India and Latin America,because if they suceed,they might help me do my own revolution.So you should start caring about your own country and those close to you that your word might actually mean something,other than talk about Nepal all the time,where there is nothing you can do to help.


I told you before,the storm is coming.And its not on my hood only.Soon enough it might be on your hood.You better be ready for it.

Unfortunately, the capital of the Empire (the U.S.) will always be the last to fall.

During the days of the Roman Empire, Rome was the last place you would have found anti-Roman viewpoints and for good reason. All the wealth is concentrated at the heart of the empire. This is no different from the Soviet Empire and all the wealth being concentrated in Russia, notably Moscow.

There is worker disenfranchisement here for sure though that we need to capitalize on and I can't speak for everyone but I know I am doing my best to reach out to these people as well as friends who I believe know there is something wrong but just lack the understanding of what it truly is.

Revolution in the U.S. is far off though. Our Empire must crumble before the revolution can take place here. For this reason I believe our European comrades such as yourself are the frontlines of the American revolution.

[Nolan]

This is no different from the Soviet Empire and all the wealth being concentrated in Russia, notably Moscow.


Actually anti-Soviet viewpoints were extremely common in Moscow. Not among the populace - the political elite. In 1991, a study by Judith Kullberg found that 77% percent of the elite (high-ranking party officials, military, government officials, factory managers, etc.) supported a transition to capitalism. The overthrow of the Roman Empire, like the American empire in the future, saw the elite overthrown. In the "Soviet empire," the elite did the overthrowing with much to absolutely no popular support depending on the region.

[Crux]

I think this question is a little vague. If I claimed to be a communist revolutionary, I would never admit having plans of being authoritarian. :)My bold. Quite revealing, comrade. However I too am interested in what the naxal program is. Perhaps you should answer, instead of just dodging the question. If you know the answer that is.

[What Would Durruti Do?]

Actually anti-Soviet viewpoints were extremely common in Moscow. Not among the populace - the political elite. In 1991, a study by Judith Kullberg found that 77% percent of the elite (high-ranking party officials, military, government officials, factory managers, etc.) supported a transition to capitalism. The overthrow of the Roman Empire, like the American empire in the future, saw the elite overthrown. In the "Soviet empire," the elite did the overthrowing with much to absolutely no popular support depending on the region.

Of course the elite supported a transition to capitalism, otherwise the Soviet Union would possibly still exist.

I'm talking about the working class, not the ruling class.

[Saorsa]

ATTENTION MAOIST COMRADES

I understand your frustrations. It often seems like half the Trotskyists on this forum (and let's not even go into the left coms and anarchists) spend their time eagerly hoping that the Maoist-led revolutions in the Third World fail, just so they can point their fingers and say 'I told you so'. Their 'critiques' are usually dogmatic, sectarian and divorced from history and indeed reality. They criticize Maoist movements not on the basis of whether or not they are advancing the revolutionary struggle, but on the basis of whether they are faithfully reenacting 1917. Believe me, it pisses me off too and I understand why you get annoyed.

But they are still our comrades, and many of them are genuinely supportive of revolutionary struggle. These Trotskyists just have some deeply ingrained suspicions of Maoism and Maoist organisations, which hopefully they can get over in their own time.

We can't just assume that every time they ever comment on or ask a question about the Maoist-led revolutions in India, Nepal and elsewhere they are making a sectarian attack, or flaming, or trolling. In this thread for example, a number of Trotskyists have asked to see the CPI (Maoist) program. This is a perfectly reasonable request! Indeed, it's a positive sign - the success of the Maoist movements is forcing Trotskyists around the world to move beyond just dismissing them as 'Stalinist' and is forcing them to look more closely at what these movements are actually all about.

We aren't going to build support for the Maoist-led revolutions if whenever anybody asks a question about them we respond with hostility and suspicion. Even if you're annoyed at the sectarian dogmatism of most Trots, when they ask genuine questions they should receive honest and genuine answers.

The basic rule of all debates is that you argue to convince, not just to prove you're right and the other person is wrong.

I'm not going to stand on any moral high horse here because as people on this site know very well I can often get quite cutting and snarky during debates, particularly when I feel people are being idiots. But I've been thinking about this sort of thing a lot over the past few months, and the left as a whole needs to get into the habit of having a style of argument that aims to convince people who know less than us about a subject, not just to remind them that they know less.

In answer to the questions about the CPI (Maoist) programme, I don't think they have a programme like you're looking for published in English. However, I would highly recommend clicking on the link Gracchus provided and reading the two susbtantial 2010 interviews with Kishenji and Ganapathy - they shed a lot of light on the politics of the Naxalites.

[Nolan]

Of course the elite supported a transition to capitalism, otherwise the Soviet Union would possibly still exist.

I'm talking about the working class, not the ruling class.

Support for the USSR was higher outside of Moscow, and highest in Central Asia.

[t.shonku]

Hey you all.Watch this video called "Naxals runs arms factory in Bhopal" hosted in You Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3H7IpDNjsw
This clearly shows that Maoists have support of workers,and they are masters of improvisation.

[t.shonku]

Originally Posted by AttackGr http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/../showthread.php?p=1736727#post1736727)
Actually I really believe that people in here need to stop concern about Naxals and India and start dealing with revolution in their own countries.
India becoming a communist country will be the biggest event in history of communism in 21st century.It will make similar global impact as was made when Russia become a communist country a century ago or as was made when China became communist .The mouths of those pundits of capitalism who says that communism is gone with collapse of USSR will be shut once and for all.The story of Communist India will give birth to world wide communists struggle