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Tifosi
1st May 2010, 14:41
Frankie Boyle has lashed out at the BBC, branding them ‘cowardly’ and ‘cravenly afraid of giving offence’ after censuring one of his jokes.

In an angry open letter, the comedian hit back at the BBC Trust for apologising for a gag he felt drew some small attention to the ‘apartheid’ in Palestine.

The corporation’s governing body yesterday issued an apology for the joke Boyle made on Radio 4’s Political Animal two years ago. A listener took their complaint that the gag was anti-Semitic – although appearing on a show hosted by the Jewish Andy Zaltzman – all the way to the top.

They ruled that the gag was a ‘serious’ breach of BBC rules and said: ‘It said: ‘As a result, the committee wished to apologise to the complainant on behalf of the BBC for any offence the remark may have caused him and other listeners to the programme.’

However, Boyle says the Palestinian situation is a suitable topic for satire and defended the joke.

Here is the full text of his response:


Obviously, it feels strange to be on the moral high ground but I feel a response is required to the BBC Trust’s cowardly rebuke of my jokes about Palestine.

As always, I heard nothing from the BBC but read in a newspaper that editorial procedures would be tightened further to stop jokes with anything at all to say getting past the censors.

In case you missed it, the jokes in question are: ‘I’ve been studying Israeli Army Martial Arts. I now know 16 ways to kick a Palestinian woman in the back. People think that the Middle East is very complex but I have an analogy that sums it up quite well. If you imagine that Palestine is a big cake, well…that cake is being punched to pieces by a very angry Jew.’

I think the problem here is that the show’s producers will have thought that Israel, an aggressive, terrorist state with a nuclear arsenal was an appropriate target for satire. The Trust’s ruling is essentially a note from their line managers. It says that if you imagine that a state busily going about the destruction of an entire people is fair game, you are mistaken. Israel is out of bounds.

The BBC refused to broadcast a humanitarian appeal in 2009 to help residents of Gaza rebuild their homes. It’s tragic for such a great institution but it is now cravenly afraid of giving offence and vulnerable to any kind of well drilled lobbying.

I told the jokes on a Radio 4 show called Political Animal. That title seems to promise provocative comedy with a point of view. In practice the BBC wish to deliver the flavour of political comedy with none of the content. The most recent offering I saw was BBC Two’s The Bubble. It looked exactly like a show where funny people sat around and did jokes about the news. Except the thrust of the format was that nobody had read the papers. I can only imagine how the head of the BBC Trust must have looked watching that, grinning like Gordon Brown having his prostrate examined.

The situation in Palestine seems to be, in essence, apartheid. I grew up with the anti apartheid thing being a huge focus of debate. It really seemed to matter to everybody that other human beings were being treated in that way. We didn’t just talk about it, we did things, I remember boycotts and marches and demos all being held because we couldn’t bear that people were being treated like that.

A few years ago I watched a documentary about life in Palestine. There’s a section where a UN dignitary of some kind comes to do a photo opportunity outside a new hospital. The staff know that it communicates nothing of the real desperation of their position, so they trick her into a side ward on her way out. She ends up in a room with a child who the doctors explain is in a critical condition because they don’t have the supplies to keep treating him. She flounders, awkwardly caught in the bleak reality of the room, mouthing platitudes over a dying boy.

The filmmaker asks one of the doctors what they think the stunt will have achieved. He is suddenly angry, perhaps having just felt at first hand something he knew in the abstract. The indifference of the world. ‘She will do nothing,’ he says to the filmmaker. Then he looks into the camera and says, ‘Neither will you’.

I cried at that and promised myself that I would do something. Other than write a few stupid jokes I have not done anything. Neither have you.

Frankie Boyle


Read more here (http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2010/04/30....s#ixzz0md5iudf2)

blackwave
1st May 2010, 15:36
I love this man, he has the potential to be a revolutionary comedian of Bill Hicks calibre.

rednordman
1st May 2010, 17:19
I will admit that he is very funny, but at the same time he has the nasty nack of crossing the line, when it really is the worst time. Like some time ago when he made a sick joke about children with downs syndrome. It just so happened to that in the front row, there was a couple who had a child with downs syndrome...Lets just say that they didnt find it funny. But thats him in a nutshell, he's very funny when he isnt making fun at something that doesnt related to yourself, but you really do not know what he is going to come out with next. Incidently, i dont think its funny to joke about downs syndrome.

He isnt a fan of thatcher, lets just say that.

bricolage
1st May 2010, 17:35
I love this man, he has the potential to be a revolutionary comedian of Bill Hicks calibre.

Not really, he was alright on mock the week because everyone else on it was utter shite, saw a bit of his stand up and it's just average one liners that work on tv shows shows but nowhere else. And let's not forget the last time he was in the news it was for taking the piss out of disabled kids

Tifosi
1st May 2010, 17:47
I will admit that he is very funny, but at the same time he has the nasty nack of crossing the line, when it really is the worst time. Like some time ago when he made a sick joke about children with downs syndrome. It just so happened to that in the front row, there was a couple who had a child with downs syndrome...Lets just say that they didnt find it funny. But thats him in a nutshell, he's very funny when he isnt making fun at something that doesnt related to yourself, but you really do not know what he is going to come out with next. Incidently, i dont think its funny to joke about downs syndrome.

He isnt a fan of thatcher, lets just say that.

That's his act, getting as close (or over) the line as much as possible. Most of the time it is extreamly funny, but as you say he can go to far.

This joke as a case in point, the joke is anti-Semitic in my eyes. It's not angry Jews punching the cake, it's Israeli's and Israel doesn't speak or act for all Jews. He should have said Israeli's punching the cake, wouldn't have got as
much laughs but so what.

Also why has it taking the BBC two years to do anything on this?

bricolage
1st May 2010, 17:59
I don't think the joke is anti-semitic to be honest. It's not a very good joke though.

BAM
1st May 2010, 21:19
I will admit that he is very funny, but at the same time he has the nasty nack of crossing the line, when it really is the worst time. Like some time ago when he made a sick joke about children with downs syndrome. It just so happened to that in the front row, there was a couple who had a child with downs syndrome...Lets just say that they didnt find it funny.

I think Boyle's eventual reply - and I agree with him - is that those people were more than happy to laugh at cruel jokes at other people's expense, but took offence when the joke was on them. It's the comedic equivalent of NIMBYism, ie it's alright if it's someone else, but not if it's me...

The Idler
2nd May 2010, 00:27
Revolutionary speakers and offensive speech ought to be unrestrained in a free society, but to claim to be a comedian requires being funny and Frankie Boyle just comes across as being as offensive as possible. Hicks/Carlin he is not, and at least they had something to say.

rednordman
2nd May 2010, 19:57
I think Boyle's eventual reply - and I agree with him - is that those people were more than happy to laugh at cruel jokes at other people's expense, but took offence when the joke was on them. It's the comedic equivalent of NIMBYism, ie it's alright if it's someone else, but not if it's me...I think you have raised a very good point there. But, do you really know many people who are not offended by anything? I know alot of people who have a very good sense of humour and are easy-going, but generally its a frashard, as there is aways something that they will take exception too. Usually a personal thing aswell. But i think that has something to do with human behavior, that it is always easier to laugh at other peoples problems to sort of mask the stress of dealing with your own.

I think Boyle's answer in your post really should be what people should think about before they go the events like this. But in the case of the downs joke, how low can you go, really?

RebelDog
2nd May 2010, 21:29
He isnt a fan of thatcher, lets just say that.

Try doing stand-up in a Glasgow working-mens club and whilst being a fan of Thatcher. They would leave in a box.