Teachers..To be trusted or not?

[rednordman]

Teacher cleared of openly trying to kill a child/pupil:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8652243.stm

Is anyone else as spellbinded and discusted by the sheer hypocracy of this trial. If this was me who decided to snap after a load of harsh taunts from kids, I would probably recieve 10years with only a very simple small trial. Just because he is a pathetic petit-bourgoise teacher, he gets away with attempted murder (with tones of witnesses aswell). He used the old 'i felt like i was having an outerbody experience' excuse, which is contentious enough, BUT if it was a normal working class person - we would be labelled as monsters and give harsh sentance.

It brings back bad memories from school when my parents would think that I was lying or over-sensitive just because my teachers would refuse to acknowledge that I was having a hardtime at school. Some even said that I was popular (WTF?).

Why do people always give teachers the unconditional support, even though alot of them are only in it for themselves and even despise and have zero faith in the children they are teaching (I say this from experience)?

Thoughts?

[which doctor]

Teachers are normal, working-class people, and they're more overworked and underpaid than many, at least this is the case in the US. I highly doubt that most teachers are "only in it for themselves." Sounds like the kids were really trying to fuck with the teacher, and I can definetely understand how one could lose their mind when being taunted by a pack of children. I remember another article (from the UK no less), about a pack of children cheering on a kid standing at the top of a building about to commit suicide. They were yelling things like "Jump!" and "Do it!"; he did. If I ever go to the UK, I will do all I can to stay away from the packs of wild, unruly children that supposedly roam the place.

[rednordman]

I dont think its really the issue as to whether or not the kid deserved what he got. He probably was being a proper sadistic little twat to the teacher, just people are nasty to me, and I cannot do anything like that teacher did. The guy fractured the kids head for christs sake - and he walks free. I though the guy would a best get sent to a mental institute for proper help.

I do agree with your post, but i think in the USA, teachers are a little more concious of the state help they get, unlike any other industry in the USA. Also, to be a teacher in the UK is supposed to be £30,000 a year job, with alot of holidays.

Unfortuanetly, ALOT of teachers that I have spoken to really are snobs who have no motivation to try and inspire children. They simply expect the kids to come into the room with the correct attitude from the off, and write them off straight away if they do not have it. I will add that these are mostly newish young (fresh from uni) teachers who have been raised in the era of greed and narcisism. They always moan how they are overworked and how they have no power to enforce their authority over their students. Yet they still recieve a £6-8,000 grant ontop of their wage!

[Sam_b]

Teacher cleared of openly trying to kill a child/pupil

...who I believe was found to be mentally ill.


They always moan how they are overworked and how they have no power to enforce their authority over their students

My parents are both teachers and its not unusual for them to work over fourteen hours a day. And, if I say so myself, I think your 'analysis', which actually labels teachers as downright reactionaries, is nonsense. I think you are confusing ideas of class with wages, are you against students receiving grants? You also fail to aknowledge teachers unions, some of which are going in the right direction - such as the EIS supporting a boycott of Israel a couple of years back.

[Revolutionary Pseudonym]

...who I believe was found to be mentally ill.
. He was Catholic, surely that says it all; I laughed when the BBC article sayed he had an altered sense of reality for that very reason.

But seriously, most teachers are alright and they've devoted their lives to help educate children, think how terrible they must feel when they get abused by the kids.
My one critisism of teachers is that most of them have never had a life out side of school, been in full time education for their whole life then they become a teacher - which I believe leaves them without some life skills and a sense of reality and real world.
This doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to see the way people are taught in the future but at the moment I think they're generally fine.

[Sam_b]

He was Catholic, surely that says it all

Bigotry FTW, huh? Would you have said that if he was Muslim or Jewish?

[Revolutionary Pseudonym]

Bigotry FTW, huh? Would you have said that if he was Muslim or Jewish?

Yes, I would of done - Religion is just plain wrong and allowing religious schools is unethical at best and definently at least a little bigoted in itself.
I have a particular dislike for Catholics due to the churches huge wealth compared to it's adherents, plus their track record of being "a little dodgy".

[Sam_b]

I think I have a particular dislike of you, to be honest.

[RHIZOMES]

My mother is a single-parent school teacher and I have to say both rednordman and Revolutionary Psuedonym can fuck off. Apparently teachers are petty-bourgeois, I was not aware being a teacher means you're a small business owner. Understanding of Marxist class analysis FAIL

[Sam_b]

This ^

[Tablo]

^Seconded
I actually hope to become a teacher some day. No job other than the education of others seems to interest me. I know it will be tough to deal with some students, but if I have learned anything from my favorite teacher it is that when you treat your students with respect that they will respect you. This isn't absolute, but I think it helps from what I have seen.

[Chambered Word]

he court heard that he shouted "die, die, die" as he bludgeoned the boy with the weight after the pupil swore at him. It emerged during the four-day trial that pupils at the school were trying to wind up Harvey so his reaction could be caught on a camcorder being used secretly by a girl in the class.
The footage was then to be passed around the school as a way of "humiliating" the teacher.


And it was a 3kg weight, they're not that heavy IMO.

I have no sympathy for the students whatsoever and your understanding of class is awful. I really do not see how this teacher is petit bourgeois.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I'll be sure to tell all the Oakland teachers I spoke with on their picket lines this morning (91% of all public education teachers in Oakland went out today) that they are petit-bourgeois and reactionary.

http://socialistworker.org/files/imagecache/330/files/images/IMG_0349.jpg

http://socialistworker.org/2010/04/28/oakland-teachers-set-one-day-strike
http://socialistworker.org/2010/04/30/lesson-from-the-oakland-picket-line

But seriously, I don't think one guy flipping out says much about all teachers - postal workers have been known to flip-out and I'm pretty sure that most of us would still consider these public workers (who like teachers are not working at the point of production but are providing a necessary skilled service for modern capitalism) to be workers.

I've read a few stories about this case in the British press, and the thing I think is interesting - from a US perspective - is actually how much public support teachers seem to have in the UK. In the US, teachers are often primary scapegoats for a whole slew of problems in education (problems that are systemic, not subjective classroom to classroom, so these arguments are purely scapegoating) and now they are the scapegoat for budget shortfalls in state-governments! So if this happened in the US, I think all teachers would be put on the "no fly list" or something.

[Jazzratt]

I think I have a particular dislike of you, to be honest.

I think it's because he's shit. Not to worry, our streamlined admin/mod team will have him restricted some time within the next quarter.

[rednordman]

My mother is a single-parent school teacher and I have to say both rednordman and Revolutionary Psuedonym can fuck off. Apparently teachers are petty-bourgeois, I was not aware being a teacher means you're a small business owner. Understanding of Marxist class analysis FAILSo this gives teachers the power to defend themselves against kids in severe ways all they like and call it a 'altered reality'? If a kid does this to a teacher...well they definity couldnt use that excuse could they? I understand very well that some kids are awful to deal with, just in my opinion, to hit a kid is bad, to nearly kill them is plain cowadly.

I suppose I must have just spoken to the wrong type of teacher. Pretty much all of them believe that they do not have enough authority and respect, and believe that the cain was a good idea. I will bear in mind that it not like I have spoken to hundreds so i assume that the attitude is MUCH better across the scale.

The reason why I would assume teachers to be 'petit-bourgois' is that it is generally for the last 60 or so years been seen as a prestigious job that is middle-class. Not working-class. Heck, I know people who want to get into teaching just for that. They see it as a comfortable life with a decent wage. Obviously some people on here, know better. I can respect that.

I think my problem is that I believe that to be a teacher, you should want to teach and do a good job at teaching. When at uni i was hearing people pondering over doing the pgce just because of the 'assumed' easy life and £6000 grant, it put me off as being slightly unethical. Not that they didnt deserve the money, just that it should be what came first. For me you should want to teach at the best of your ability first, THEN do it for the money, lifestyle etc.

If any of you are actually going to say that teachers in general have a shit life, well its not like working the production line or labouring at a warehouse is it? This is my reality, so take that into consideration please.


By the sounds of it, alot of forum members parents/friends have the correct attitude. But i will ask you this - what do your parents think about you being a communist or anarchist?

This is my problem with some of more harsh responses I have recieved. I thought that one of the strongest things about the left-wing was the freedom to question everything. Some of you still sound slightly dogmatic to me.

I suppose that I didnt mean ALL teachers, just what about the ones with bad attitudes. Just because they are teachers doesnt automatically make them nice sound, progressives does it? After all, being a teacher DOES give people authority. Whos to say that they will automatically use it for the good? It realistically takes GROUPs of kids, to bully a adult teacher, yet it one takes ONE adult teachers to bully/degrade a group of kids.

Incidently, in my life, good teachers are very rare indeed.

If you cannot handle that than you can 'fuck off':D.

[rednordman]

I'll be sure to tell all the Oakland teachers I spoke with on their picket lines this morning (91% of all public education teachers in Oakland went out today) that they are petit-bourgeois and reactionary.

http://socialistworker.org/files/imagecache/330/files/images/IMG_0349.jpg

http://socialistworker.org/2010/04/28/oakland-teachers-set-one-day-strike
http://socialistworker.org/2010/04/30/lesson-from-the-oakland-picket-line

But seriously, I don't think one guy flipping out says much about all teachers - postal workers have been known to flip-out and I'm pretty sure that most of us would still consider these public workers (who like teachers are not working at the point of production but are providing a necessary skilled service for modern capitalism) to be workers.

I've read a few stories about this case in the British press, and the thing I think is interesting - from a US perspective - is actually how much public support teachers seem to have in the UK. In the US, teachers are often primary scapegoats for a whole slew of problems in education (problems that are systemic, not subjective classroom to classroom, so these arguments are purely scapegoating) and now they are the scapegoat for budget shortfalls in state-governments! So if this happened in the US, I think all teachers would be put on the "no fly list" or something.I didnt really mean all teachers, its just in my life, they have had blind support. When i was suffering at school, they all saw me as a hinderance that was better ignoured. I was a nice Quite kid - that was all. Hopefully this isnt the case for many others.

[rednordman]

And it was a 3kg weight, they're not that heavy IMO.

I have no sympathy for the students whatsoever and your understanding of class is awful. I really do not see how this teacher is petit bourgeois.Trust me, if even a kid hit you over the head with a 3kg weight, you would know about it. Now just imagine if it was a strong adult.

[black magick hustla]

my dad was a teacher and i love him

[#FF0000]

my dad was a teacher and i love him

aw :)

I am gonna be a teacher. I would be very disappointed if that made me a petty bourgeois reactionary!!!!!!!

[Sam_b]

The reason why I would assume teachers to be 'petit-bourgois' is that it is generally for the last 60 or so years been seen as a prestigious job that is middle-class. Not working-class. Heck, I know people who want to get into teaching just for that. They see it as a comfortable life with a decent wage. Obviously some people on here, know better. I can respect that.


Oh cool, so you have no idea about class relations at all? Before coming out with bigoted and stereotyped bullshit it tends to be nice to have a theoretical basis for it, which you lack.

[Sam_b]

what do your parents think about you being a communist or anarchist?



I'm also struggling to find out what this has to do with anything.

[Il Medico]

Oh cool, so you have no idea about class relations at all? Before coming out with bigoted and stereotyped bullshit it tends to be nice to have a theoretical basis for it, which you lack.
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[daz3676]

I have a particular dislike for Catholics due to the churches huge wealth compared to it's adherents, plus their track record of being "a little dodgy".

you cant blame a whole religion because of its leaders
im irish soive seen the needless destruction hate like that can cause
asshole!

[rednordman]

Oh cool, so you have no idea about class relations at all? Before coming out with bigoted and stereotyped bullshit it tends to be nice to have a theoretical basis for it, which you lack.So theory is more important than reality then? In not saying that all teachers are bad, just posing the question as to whether they always deserve the blind support they generally get in the UK? I think teachers are obviously very important, but what infact if one is indeed reactionary or biggoted? What if they decide to treat kids bad or be a bad teacher on purpose etc. Do they still deserve our blind support?

I dont know, its sad that no-one has actually taken anything that i'v said on board and have just decided to jump on me like im a fascist or something. You could have at least explained why I may or may not be wrong rather than throwing the kitchen sink, afterall, im only really a learner, but thought that the best place would be to put this thread was on the chit-chat forum as it was meant to be about the incident in question.

And anyhow its not like I think the teacher should be executed or anything. I just find it really strange how they have given him the benefit of the doubt. It reminds me alittle bit of the cases where coppers have been let of scott free for assaulting or even murdering people, just because they are police men.

No wonder we are getting pissed on by the conservatives and far-right in elections and popularity in general, but if we have seemingly become a load of cold intellectual snobs, I can begrudgedly understand.

If you people want to restrict me for this or something go ahead, but it would still be a petty thing to do as 1)i'm not a capitalist, and 2)im not a fascist. I still consider myself a communist. I guess the title of this thread should be 'how to deal with bad teachers' or something like that, but hey, why bother, i'v got bills to pay, and a life to live.

[Chambered Word]

So theory is more important than reality then? In not saying that all teachers are bad, just posing the question as to whether they always deserve the blind support they generally get in the UK? I think teachers are obviously very important, but what infact if one is indeed reactionary or biggoted? What if they decide to treat kids bad or be a bad teacher on purpose etc. Do they still deserve our blind support?

No one deserves blind support. Even if some are reactionary or bigoted we should always fight for their rights as workers. The teacher in your article did nothing wrong IMO, those kids sound like a bunch of little fuckers.


I dont know, its sad that no-one has actually taken anything that i'v said on board and have just decided to jump on me like im a fascist or something. You could have at least explained why I may or may not be wrong rather than throwing the kitchen sink, afterall, im only really a learner, but thought that the best place would be to put this thread was on the chit-chat forum as it was meant to be about the incident in question.

Well you called them petit-bourgeois, I would have thought that if you knew such a term you'd at least be familiar with what it means.

It's not the end of the world for you, anyway. Just chill out.

[Sam_b]

I just find it really strange how they have given him the benefit of the doubt. It reminds me alittle bit of the cases where coppers have been let of scott free for assaulting or even murdering people, just because they are police men.

Sorry, i'm not arguing with assholes.

[rednordman]

Sorry, i'm not arguing with assholes.You called me an arsehole on the basis of this single thread?

[#FF0000]

So theory is more important than reality then? In not saying that all teachers are bad, just posing the question as to whether they always deserve the blind support they generally get in the UK? I think teachers are obviously very important, but what infact if one is indeed reactionary or biggoted? What if they decide to treat kids bad or be a bad teacher on purpose etc. Do they still deserve our blind support?

Yeah, because a couple of teachers being dicks doesn't change the reality of class relations, bro.

[RHIZOMES]

Teaching has shit pay and you're overworked. It's only a comfortable living if you're married to someone else of a similar income or higher. i.e. my mother is a teacher and as a single-parent she's struggled to make ends meet for us ever since I was a small child.

[rednordman]

Teaching has shit pay and you're overworked. It's only a comfortable living if you're married to someone else of a similar income or higher. i.e. my mother is a teacher and as a single-parent she's struggled to make ends meet for us ever since I was a small child.TBH im gobsmaked by this. Teaching was always meant to be a lucative job to have due to its benefits and role. Now all im hearing is how they are overworked and underpaid. I always thought that teachers earned at least £30,000 a year. I know at my old school most did. It was definitly a 'living wage' thats all i can say. Thats why i get irate when I hear alot of teachers nowadays moan about the students/pupils they have. They could at least show some faith. Plus they still generally have comfortable lives, and are not poor (these are the ones that I know). But im sure that for every bad one there is many more good honest ones.

[A.J.]

My mother is a single-parent school teacher and I have to say both rednordman and Revolutionary Psuedonym can fuck off. Apparently teachers are petty-bourgeois, I was not aware being a teacher means you're a small business owner. Understanding of Marxist class analysis FAIL

The petty-bourgeoisie/middle class dosen't just consist of small proprieters. In fact, in a developed capitalist country small proprieters are an ever decreasing minority of the intermediate strata.

http://www.mltranslations.org/US/Rpo/classes/classes3.htm

".....As the small proprietors have been steadily eliminated, another intermediate stratum has been created and has grown alongside the proletariat – the petty bourgeois employees. The wage-earning petty bourgeoisie is comprised of management and supervisory personnel, sales representatives, professional and upper-level technical workers and military and police officers. These strata make up an intermediate group between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, sharing characteristics with both.
"They share with the bourgeoisie a separation from manual labor, which has been delegated almost exclusively to the proletariat. Their work, in general, falls in the categories of mental labor that in the past, before the colossal concentration of production that characterizes developed capitalism, were the realm of the wealthy classes that owned property. Today the ownership of productive property has been limited to a tiny and ever-decreasing part of the population. Therefore, the commercial, managerial, governmental, intellectual and professional functions that were once carried out by a large number of property owners have now been delegated to an upper stratum of employees. Hence, as the number of owners is continually diminished, the number of management employees increases; as the number of "independent" doctors, lawyers, architects and engineers diminishes, the number of employees in these professions increases.
"This upper stratum of employees still shares similar tasks and a similar class outlook, to a certain extent, with its independent predecessors and its contemporary employers. On the other hand, this upper stratum of employees shares with the proletariat the characteristic of being a dispossessed class that owns no means of production and is compelled to sell its labor power to the capitalists in order to live.......

".....Economically, the petty bourgeois employees are also in an intermediate position between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, with the income of the divergent strata overlapping that of both classes. Upper level petty bourgeois employees, such as a well-paid management official or engineer in a large corporation, may often earn more than the capitalist owner of a small company. At the same time the lower level petty bourgeois employees may earn little more than common proletarians and less than the labor aristocracy...."

[Sam_b]

TBH im gobsmaked by this. Teaching was always meant to be a lucative job to have due to its benefits and role. Now all im hearing is how they are overworked and underpaid. I always thought that teachers earned at least £30,000 a year. I know at my old school most did. It was definitly a 'living wage' thats all i can say. Thats why i get irate when I hear alot of teachers nowadays moan about the students/pupils they have. They could at least show some faith. Plus they still generally have comfortable lives, and are not poor (these are the ones that I know). But im sure that for every bad one there is many more good honest ones.

Honestly, get fucked.

[Jazzhands]

"Petit bourgeois" is a Stalinist term for any working-class thing which doesn't fit in perfectly with their worldview. I've heard that applied to any left-winger who criticizes Stalin (including myself), the CNT, every communist party out there, the Yugoslav Partisans, the Kronstadt Rebellion, the Black Army, and pretty much everyone else that has ever lived in the past 100 years. It may have actually meant something once, but it means absolutely nothing today.

I'm really not surprised that today's target for denunciation is a teacher. If years of Internet experience has taught me anything, it's that Stalinists have a very anti-educational view because education frequently attacks their foundation of conspiracy theories that has made up their view of history. Someone even accused Howard Zinn ON THE DAY HE DIED of being an "academist arm-chair bourgeois revisionist".

[Jazzhands]

what do your parents think about you being a communist or anarchist?

Since when is age a requirement to tell the truth?

[rednordman]

Honestly, get fucked.:laugh:Your a total prick mate. How old are you?

[Jazzratt]

:laugh:Your a total prick mate. How old are you?

I can't imagine how anyone who has come out with the stuff you have in this thread feels qualified to call anyone else a total prick. I think he was quite within his rights to tell you to get fucked. Your views on teachers are beyond revolting.

[son of man]

I'm a teacher - I've just qualified and I'm looking for a job.

I became a teacher because I had so many teachers through my schooling that were totally apathetic and particularly stupid. I feel sorry that your experiences with teachers have left you feeling this way rednordman.

I believe that teaching and learning is the best way to improve the lives of the less fortunate people of this world.

I am white and middle class. I want to teach in a lower socio-economic community because that is where I see myself making the biggest difference.

[Barry Lyndon]

I'm a history major and planning on getting a teacher certification. The OP is parroting right-wing garbage which demonizes public school teachers in order to justify the destruction and privatization of public education. My mother belongs to the Chicago Public Schools teachers union and they are one of the only strong unions left in the city, which is why Daley and his gangsters are pushing the creation of non-unionized 'charter schools' as hard as they can.
You really should be ashamed of yourself.

[RHIZOMES]

Why can't people in this topic realize Marxist social classes and Weberian social classes (basically status rather than class) are entirely different things. I.E. a lot of "middle-class" people are basically proletarians with a good income. They would qualify under "labour aristocracy" and not "petty-bourgeois". The view that makes the most sense: all teachers are proletarians, but not all teachers are middle-class.

[bcbm]

don't trust anyone over 30

[A.J.]

Why can't people in this topic realize Marxist social classes and Weberian social classes (basically status rather than class) are entirely different things. I.E. a lot of "middle-class" people are basically proletarians with a good income. They would qualify under "labour aristocracy" and not "petty-bourgeois". The view that makes the most sense: all teachers are proletarians, but not all teachers are middle-class.

What about private tutors?

[Dimentio]

Teacher cleared of openly trying to kill a child/pupil:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8652243.stm

Is anyone else as spellbinded and discusted by the sheer hypocracy of this trial. If this was me who decided to snap after a load of harsh taunts from kids, I would probably recieve 10years with only a very simple small trial. Just because he is a pathetic petit-bourgoise teacher, he gets away with attempted murder (with tones of witnesses aswell). He used the old 'i felt like i was having an outerbody experience' excuse, which is contentious enough, BUT if it was a normal working class person - we would be labelled as monsters and give harsh sentance.

It brings back bad memories from school when my parents would think that I was lying or over-sensitive just because my teachers would refuse to acknowledge that I was having a hardtime at school. Some even said that I was popular (WTF?).

Why do people always give teachers the unconditional support, even though alot of them are only in it for themselves and even despise and have zero faith in the children they are teaching (I say this from experience)?

Thoughts?

Its a question of primary interpretation rights. Persons are judged after their social status. A teacher for example is seen as having more credibility than a prostitute or a child. People must learn to judge the information instead of the messengers (that is one of the few beauties with the internet).

[Franz Fanonipants]

I'm a teacher...well...substitute teacher. So I'm basically a teaching day laborer, but I've worked in education exclusively other than seasonal manual labor gigs since about 2005.

A lot of teachers are reactionary, "a-political", and otherwise damaging to children and their development. Those teachers are in the minority compared to teachers who aim to help students and broaden their horizons. Of course, it's a pretty easy transition from being a good teacher to becoming a cynical asshole who does not care, you just lose your way.

All that said, the OP is kinda whiney.

[#FF0000]

TBH im gobsmaked by this. Teaching was always meant to be a lucative job

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[RHIZOMES]

What about private tutors?

Oooooh you got me there.

Wait no you didn't noone was even talking about them, they're petty-bourgeois in some instances but in other times it can be impoverished students or single-parent teachers (latter category has included my mum) trying to supplement their income.


I'm a teacher...well...substitute teacher. So I'm basically a teaching day laborer, but I've worked in education exclusively other than seasonal manual labor gigs since about 2005.

A lot of teachers are reactionary, "a-political", and otherwise damaging to children and their development. Those teachers are in the minority compared to teachers who aim to help students and broaden their horizons. Of course, it's a pretty easy transition from being a good teacher to becoming a cynical asshole who does not care, you just lose your way.

All that said, the OP is kinda whiney.

Basically this.


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Yeah I kno rite??? What planet is rednordman living on where teaching is a "lucrative career"? ...I wanna move there...

[#FF0000]

Teachers being reactionary hurf durf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0E3rBfAHYs

[ed miliband]

The former headteacher of my school got busted for nicking lots of money. He had a poster of Lenin on his office wall and established links to Cuba, to the point where we'd have Cuban gov. ministers visit the school. Crazy stuff.

[farleft]

More trustworthy than a catholic priest!