Malcolm X's killer freed

[Weezer]

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1985306_1985308,00.html?iid=moreontime

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[Nolan]

Edit: Don't post borderline illegal shit

-Maldoror

[Endomorphian]

He doesn't appear to be a threat to society. Why?

[The Inquisitor]

He doesn't appear to be a threat to society. Why?
We have to level up some how.

[Angry Young Man]

We have to level up some how.

Sorry, I always attributed tribal punitive nonsense to the right. Who was it who said 'an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'?

[Spawn of Stalin]

Some pacifist numpty from India I think. I always preferred Bhagat Singh

[Angry Young Man]

Really, I was always told it was some bloke called Malcolm Little, whoever he was :rolleyes:

[Panda Tse Tung]

Really, I was always told it was some bloke called Malcolm Little, whoever he was

No, it was Gandhi.

[Pirate Utopian]

Really, I was always told it was some bloke called Malcolm Little, whoever he was :rolleyes:
You were told wrong, it was Gandhi. Malcolm X never said such shit.

[anticap]

"If, when a man writes a poem or commits a murder, the bodily movements involved in his act result solely from physical causes, it would seem absurd to put up a statue to him in the one case and to hang him in the other." --Bertrand Russell

It's nothing to do with pacifism; it's to do with free-will being nonsense.

Capital punishment is almost never necessary; if you're in a position to carry it out, then you're in a position to simply detain that person. If you argue to the contrary that a bullet is cheaper than food, then you've got no quarrel with the capitalist who puts profits over people.

If you feel that a prisoner hasn't been detained long enough, then the appropriate target of your energies is to fight for harsher sentencing. But that would seem rather un-leftist.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I don't see how being tough on crime is "un-leftist", a lot of us support the death penalty, real life sentences, and in some cases, labour camps.

[Jazzratt]

I don't see how being tough on crime is "un-leftist", a lot of us support the death penalty, real life sentences, and in some cases, labour camps.

A real life sentence? What the fuk's that when it's at home.

[anticap]

I don't see how being tough on crime is "un-leftist"

One immediately apparent reason is that most of "us" tend to understand that rehabilitation is superior to punishment. [Cue "liberal" slur.]


a lot of us support the death penalty

Then that segment of "us" probably hasn't given much thought to the free-will question, and probably no thought whatsoever to how they've been influenced by religious moralism.

Or perhaps you've got a coherent argument in favor of capital punishment that doesn't reduce to the same logic as "profits over people."


real life sentences

While we're at it, why not add mandatory minimums and "three strikes" laws? That ought to clean the streets completely of undesirables.


and in some cases, labour camps.

:thumbup1: Thumbs-up for slavery!

[Angry Young Man]

A real life sentence? What the fuk's that when it's at home.

Something people who don't believe 25 years inside constitutes punishment. Typically they read the Daily Mail and have a malicious streak as wide as their waistline.

[Obs]

:thumbup1: Thumbs-up for slavery!
You don't see poetic justice in enslaving a slaver?

[Angry Young Man]

Not really. I don't really see the poetic justice of raping a rapist, either. Everybody think up other crimes that it would be ludicrous to repay in kind

[anticap]

You don't see poetic justice in enslaving a slaver?


Not really. I don't really see the poetic justice of raping a rapist, either. Everybody think up other crimes that it would be ludicrous to repay in kind

^What he said.

Except to add, of course I feel the same emotional impulses toward these issues. And, what's more (this may surprise you, not only in light of what I've said previously, but because it's a rare position to take, in my experience): I deny that our emotional side is somehow inherently inferior to our reasoning side. That is to say, humans are every bit the emotional animal as we are the reasoning animal, and that's not something to worry about or suppress. However, each has its domain, and it seems to me that in the domain we're talking about, reason should reign.

[Jazzratt]

Something people who don't believe 25 years inside constitutes punishment. Typically they read the Daily Mail and have a malicious streak as wide as their waistline.

Oh jesus christ. I'm aware of what all that "wurrrgh life must mean life! Prison's a bloody holiday camp! Better yet string 'em all up by the bollocks!" toss. It's depressing rubbish and anyone who thinks like that is a massive wanker.

[Spawn of Stalin]

One immediately apparent reason is that most of "us" tend to understand that rehabilitation is superior to punishment. [Cue "liberal" slur.]
And so do I, but that doesn't mean being tough on crime is anti-left as you called it. In my opinion people of all political trends can and should be tough on crime.

Then that segment of "us" probably hasn't given much thought to the free-will question, and probably no thought whatsoever to how they've been influenced by religious moralism.

Or perhaps you've got a coherent argument in favor of capital punishment that doesn't reduce to the same logic as "profits over people."
Sure, you want to rehabilitate Nicholas Tsar? Mussolini? Tony Blair? I don't see how they can possibly be rehabilitated, and most people are a lot more dangerous alive than dead.

While we're at it, why not add mandatory minimums and "three strikes" laws? That ought to clean the streets completely of undesirables.
I never said anything of the sort, I just said that I support actual life sentences as an alternative to capital punishment in some cases.

:thumbup1: Thumbs-up for slavery!
So we can't kill the fascists, we can't throw them in jail until they die, and we can't send them off to work....what can we do with them? Keeping in mind some people simply can not be rehabilitated.

[Angry Young Man]

Oh jesus christ. I'm aware of what all that "wurrrgh life must mean life! Prison's a bloody holiday camp! Better yet string 'em all up by the bollocks!" toss. It's depressing rubbish and anyone who thinks like that is a massive wanker.

Then why did you ask what he meant, when he's clearly one of the Daily Mail-reading tossers who says crucifixion's too bloody good for 'em?

ED: Why did I never think to do this:


a lot of us support the death penalty, real life sentences, and in some cases, labour camps.

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