Piglet, anti-American, Fascist Arizona Bill full text

[Conquer or Die]

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

1. Allows for unfettered racial profiling.

2. Discriminates against immigrants by assigning them felonies for bearing arms. Meanwhile fat piglets from Arizona have liberal gun laws.

3. If one doesn't carry ID they can be arrested. The fat children of Arizona piglets will not be pulled over. Legal brown residents will be arrested for forgetting their license in a drive to the store.

4. Recruits the police into the white militia ranks. There are now three agencies determined to fight against integration. The private, the local and state government, and the federal government.

Arizona is a powderkeg of white racism. Expect conflict in the near future in that region.

[LeftSideDown]

2. Discriminates against immigrants by assigning them felonies for bearing arms. Meanwhile fat piglets from Arizona have liberal gun laws.

I would just point out that what most immigrants, especially illegal, do with guns is a lot different than the average Joe Blow. Illegal immigrants especially from the drug-war ridden streets of Mexico bring a disproportionate amount of not only crime but violent crime. I'm not supporting or advocating racial profiling at all, but should laws apply equally to those who are not here legally?

[Havet]

I'm not supporting or advocating racial profiling at all, but should laws apply equally to those who are not here legally?

Who decides legality?

[Nolan]

I would just point out that what most immigrants, especially illegal, do with guns is a lot different than the average Joe Blow. Illegal immigrants especially from the drug-war ridden streets of Mexico bring a disproportionate amount of not only crime but violent crime. I'm not supporting or advocating racial profiling at all, but should laws apply equally to those who are not here legally?
I would just point out that what most immigrants...do with guns is a lot different than the average Joe Blow.

So most immigrants that have guns are robbers and killers? As a Venezuelan-American from a gun-owning household all I can say is that I take offense to that.

Ban.

[Dean]

I would just point out that what most immigrants, especially illegal, do with guns is a lot different than the average Joe Blow. Illegal immigrants especially from the drug-war ridden streets of Mexico bring a disproportionate amount of not only crime but violent crime. I'm not supporting or advocating racial profiling at all, but should laws apply equally to those who are not here legally?
Or defending themselves from militiamen and the like.

You might be interested to know that the Zetas (the primary violent gang which started as a bodyguard for the cartels) were trained and supplied by the French and US special forces as Mexican Special Forces, and left to make more money in the private sector.

The fact that Whites tend to use guns for more "legal purposes" only speaks to the fact that Hispanics and Blacks are part of the lower class, which experiences more violence as a result of not having the luxuries of the upper classes - in addition to a stigmatization of people based on their particular violent gun use. If you're a White who uses guns to kill people for money, you're a national hero and deserve government compensation.

"Immigrants" as a rule are not "using guns differently," primarily because most immigrants aren't involved in the drug cartels. So these kinds of sanctions only serve to stigmatize ethnic and national peoples as a (supposed) response to a narrow milieu of violence - I would say that White gun crime, particularly throughout the major war theatres today, is a much more important issue to sanction.

[LeftSideDown]

Who decides legality?

The government. Morality is a different story.

[The Gallant Gallstone]

Conquer or Die,

I support your general indignation, but calling the kids of Arizona "fat children of Arizona piglets" does us no good; besides a lot of those kids are, if not sympathetic to our cause in general, at least progressive politically.

You can build coalitions and engage in ad hoc work with those people; but it's a bit harder if you start calling them "fat piglets."

[LeftSideDown]

So most immigrants that have guns are robbers and killers? As a Venezuelan-American from a gun-owning household all I can say is that I take offense to that.

Ban.

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

Not necessarily done with guns, but do you not see a problem here?

In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes.

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_crime.html

There are exceptions to everything, your family being one according to you, but I'm making statistical generalizations NOT ridiculous unfounded stereotypes.

[The Gallant Gallstone]

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

Are you using statistical data from a racist and classist criminal justice system in order to prove that said racist and classist criminal justice system is right?

[Havet]

The government. Morality is a different story.

So you agree with such legality just because it's the government, or do you have other reasons?

[LeftSideDown]

So you agree with such legality just because it's the government, or do you have other reasons?

I have no problems with illegal immigration personally. Well, actually I do. I think all immigration should be legal and immigrants should pay taxes like anyone else. In a world that was free market oriented countries would compete for immigration because it would widen the division of labor and increase productivity. As it is right now the fact that some pay taxes for being here legally and others do not while reaping some/most of the benefits (schools, for instance) I think is discrimination against being here legally.

[IcarusAngel]

People should be able to enter and exit countries as they choose. There is no need for "paper work," except maybe registering in the country you live in so you can pay taxes. If someone isn't registered they should pay a fine and then be forced to register. There is no need to deport etc.

They're just coming for what's rightfully theirs. Enough diversity will eventually force the US to constantly change, and change is a bad thing for the propertied elite.

[Dimentio]

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

Not necessarily done with guns, but do you not see a problem here?

In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes.

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_crime.html

There are exceptions to everything, your family being one according to you, but I'm making statistical generalizations NOT ridiculous unfounded stereotypes.

So much for libertarianism not being tainted by racism :thumbup1:

Even if 999 persons out of 1000 of a particular group were serial killers, they should not be treated collectively as a group, but as individuals.

[IcarusAngel]

Libertarianism is the last line of defense for the racists. They want government to protect the property of the upper class (most of whom are of course white) but do not want to fund programs like education lest the inferior races make their way to the top. They're willing to admit in a few servants here and there, but nothing beyond that. This is just basic classist ideology.

[Skooma Addict]

You sure do despise libertarians.

[Bud Struggle]

You sure do despise libertarians.

They get a bit antcy because in a couple of ways thery are very close to Anarchists. ;) :D

[IcarusAngel]

I despise "rightism." Libertarians are better than conservatives, because they prefer individual rights over community rights. For example, no individual should have things imposed on him from above, like what kind of music he should listen to and so on.

But there are holes in Libertarian ideology that make it not convincing as some kind of defender of "pure liberty" or even the idea that you own what you create. Absolutist property rights is of course the best example of this, i.e. defense of abusive property merely because it is property. Add to this fact that Libertarians seem to focus on "conservative issues" like immigration rather than repealing all intellectual property or minimizing the negative effects of neoliberalism etc. and you do have a tyrannical philosophy.

[IcarusAngel]

They get a bit antcy because in a couple of ways thery are very close to Anarchists. ;) :D

What's interesting is what has happened to you conservatives - originally, many of the early scientists were conservatives, christian, and empiricist.

Now, only 4 to 6% of scientists are conservative, although in some areas like highly specialized abstract mathematics or something I've seen it as low as 2%, and I've never known of a conservative political scientist in the last 40 years that was really good.

What happened here? Conservatives were supposed to be keeping the abstract nonsense of their colleges in any field in check, but they have an ideology now that is just as unreasonable and unscientific as anybody else. They combine the totalitarian economics of the Libertarians with unlimited warfare and social hegemony, using twisted history and logic to back themselves up. The Republican Party is basically the most corrupt party in polisci history. Shame on them.

Politics is based on three other philosophical disciplines: metaphysics, epistemology and ethics- on a theory of man's nature and of man's relationship to existence. It is only on such a base that one can formulate a consistent political theory and achieve it in practice. When, however, men attempt to rush into politics without such a base, the result is that embarrassing conglomeration of impotence, futility, inconsistency and superficiality which is loosely designated today as "conservatism." - Ayn Rand

[Skooma Addict]

I despise "rightism." Libertarians are better than conservatives, because they prefer individual rights over community rights. For example, no individual should have things imposed on him from above, like what kind of music he should listen to and so on.

But there are holes in Libertarian ideology that make it not convincing as some kind of defender of "pure liberty" or even the idea that you own what you create. Absolutist property rights is of course the best example of this, i.e. defense of abusive property merely because it is property. Add to this fact that Libertarians seem to focus on "conservative issues" like immigration rather than repealing all intellectual property or minimizing the negative effects of neoliberalism etc. and you do have a tyrannical philosophy.

Well private property is required for civilization, and I value civilization more than socialists personal conception of fairness. However, in a "libertarian society," you can always form your own socialist commune (which will most likely fail). But when that doesn't work, you can join a worker coop operating in the market economy. Isn't that good enough?

[Comrade B]

I would just point out that what most immigrants, especially illegal, do with guns is a lot different than the average Joe Blow. Illegal immigrants especially from the drug-war ridden streets of Mexico bring a disproportionate amount of not only crime but violent crime. I'm not supporting or advocating racial profiling at all, but should laws apply equally to those who are not here legally?
I have a family friend who is in prison for 20 years for illegal possession of a fire arm. He was a recent immigrant from Mexico who worked with my brother. The man bought the gun because of the violence in his neighborhood and a fear for those that lived with him. You are making sweeping generalizations.

White people own guns for crime too. I would just like to point out that the Minute Men own guns to shoot illegals. The KKK owns guns to kill non-Christians and non-whites. The wanna-be-gangsta and wanna-be-cowboy fuckers back at home own guns to wave in the face of people and intimidate them. I honestly think that your point is a load of fucking bull shit tinged with subliminal racism.

[GPDP]

I have no problems with illegal immigration personally. Well, actually I do. I think all immigration should be legal and immigrants should pay taxes like anyone else. In a world that was free market oriented countries would compete for immigration because it would widen the division of labor and increase productivity. As it is right now the fact that some pay taxes for being here legally and others do not while reaping some/most of the benefits (schools, for instance) I think is discrimination against being here legally.

This post tells the truth. It must be nice not having to pay income taxes like those who are here legally. It obviously counterbalances not being able to get federal grants for higher education, being unable to get a driver's license, not being able to travel without taking huge risks, all the emotional problems that come from constantly being bombarded with anti-immigrant, racist vitriol, and the terrible pay and working conditions that comes from employers who know immigrants do not dare demand better wages or unionization for fear of deportation. Did I mention the constant fear of deportation already? Golly, I cannot imagine how discriminated those who are here legally must feel!

I know this to be true, because I am undocumented myself. And as such, you can fuck right the fuck off.

[Nolan]

It just shows that the right has a common attitude towards us, be they libertarians, neocons, or nazis.

This tendency to scapegoat and blame the victims is universal among all rightist ideologies. With libertarians, the poor are poor out of their own doing, enjoy it, and are destroying the economy. With nazis, the jews/mexicans/blacks are taking over the country and destroying our culture. Just ignore all the factors arrayed against the minorities/poor, and focus on something they may or may not have that others don't and repeat it until they're worse than satan.

[Scary Monster]

Well private property is required for civilization, and I value civilization more than socialists personal conception of fairness. However, in a "libertarian society," you can always form your own socialist commune (which will most likely fail). But when that doesn't work, you can join a worker coop operating in the market economy. Isn't that good enough?

I wonder how many times Ive had to say this: In socialism/communism, everyone can still have personal possessions (marx said that himself)-- a car, xbox, house. What we want to do away with only, is the private ownership of whatever that is used to make goods and provide services. Unless you know this already and really are saying that letting a few people have control of the tools that provide sustainance to the human population is required for civilization, then i call that completely absurd.

[Che a chara]

Well this racist law is contagious (http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/may-10-2010/several-states-taking-arizona-enforcement-legislation.html).

Not only is it racist, but purely undemocratic, as those 'illegal' immigrants who are currently applying for citizenship are arrested and are thrown out and are then unable to vote, and it's been documented that the majority of immigrants would vote the Democrats, which is why the Republican's have pushed and supported this fascist tripe.

It's even quite clear if you're following Facebook pages supporting this, that there is a massive underlying current of racism and hatred from these apparent law abiding, upstanding citizens who have gone on to comment about breaking 'illegals' skulls and fighting them.

What was funny was that they posted a video today which clearly showed Americans going through a Mexican-American neighbourhood while there was a celebration of some Mexican holiday, and these Americans in a car were provoking the Mexicans who took to the streets for a mini celebration, by waving American flags into the faces of these Mexican-Americans and slowing the car down to hurl out insults. Of course this was met a rightful response, and a square up. But 100's of these facebookers were quick to have a go at the Mexican-Americans and bastardise them for doing really fuck all. Racist language and threats were made, and these are the people who say they support the law. And even worse when clicking on their profiles, they were between 40-60 years of age. lol. The mentality in Arizona is one of hatred and bigotry, and this law will do noting but to highten tensions and cause suspicion and division.

[Qayin]

fat children of Arizona piglets

I'm an Arizonian

[Obzervi]

Who decides legality?
I'm guessing the illegal European occupiers who stole this land since 1492. Another point is that just because is law, doesn't mean its right. If it were then the case could be made that the Jim Crow laws were morally good because it was law.

[RGacky3]

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

Not necessarily done with guns, but do you not see a problem here?

In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes.

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impac...ion_crime.html (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_crime.html)

There are exceptions to everything, your family being one according to you, but I'm making statistical generalizations NOT ridiculous unfounded stereotypes.

Most illigal alliens are desperately poor, THATS what causes the crime, it has nothing to do with illigality.

I could probably proove with statistics that people who wear old clothes commit more crime, and thus wearing old clothes causes crime, or maybe that eating cheep food causes crime, or taking public transportation, and so on and so forth, you hav'nt proven anything with those statistics.


They get a bit antcy because in a couple of ways thery are very close to Anarchists.

Fundementally they are totally different.

[Che a chara]

US police chiefs pan Arizona immigration law

A group of US police chiefs has told US Attorney General Eric Holder that Arizona's controversial immigration law could increase crime.

The law requires police officers to question people about their immigration status during a "legal stop", if the officers have reasonable suspicion the person is in the US illegally.

The chiefs said it would take resources away from the fight against crime.

They warned it would break down trust between the police and the community.

In an hour-long meeting with the US attorney general, nine police chiefs expressed their concern over the controversial law due to come into effect in Arizona on 29 July.

'Breakdown of trust'

A joint Wall Street Journal/NBC poll conducted at the beginning of May suggested 64% of adults backed the measure.

Fifteen states are now considering adopting similar laws.

Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck said such laws would "actually increase crime, not decrease crime. Witnesses won't come forward."

He said checking people's immigration status would break down the trust police forces had been building with communities for decades.

Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank said he felt the law would "divert our resources away from things we're supposed to be doing - that is, fighting crime and providing safety of local communities".

Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan said immigrants could become too scared to call the police to report a crime for fear of having their immigration status checked.

US President Barack Obama has been critical of the Arizona law and has asked Attorney General Holder to look into the possibility of filing a court challenge against it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/latin_america/10168989.stm

[Che a chara]

The police chiefs don't seem to be too worried about the racist nature of the legislation, just that it may hamper their arrest bonuses.

[Che a chara]

http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/home-mainmenu-289/6433-el-pasojuarez-border-patrol-shoots-and-kills-14-year-old-boy-


El Paso/Juarez: Border Patrol Shoots and Kills 14-Year-Old Boy
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Wednesday, 09 June 2010 07:08

MSNBC reported that the U.S. Border Patrol border patrol shot and killed a 14-year-old boy.

The boy’s sister, Rosario Hernandez, told Associated Press Television News that her brother was playing with several friends and did not plan to cross the border.

“They say that they started firing from over there and suddenly hit him in the head,” she said Monday.


His mother, Maria Guadalupe Guereca, told Milenio TV in Mexico that her son had gone to visit his brother, who handles luggage at a border customs office. While there, he met up with a group of friends and they decided to hang out by the river, she said.

[...] She said he ran and hid underneath one of the bridge’s pillars upon hearing gunfire.

“He was a boy, and even then they killed him,” she said. “I ask that they punish them. … They left me without anything.”

Sergio Belmonte, spokesman for the Ciudad Juarez mayor, said state justice officials have the body and are performing an autopsy before releasing the body to the family.

The boy was shot once near the eye, and authorities found one 40-millimeter casing near the body on Mexican soil, said Arturo Sandoval, a spokesman for the Chihuahua Attorney General’s office. Authorities are still investigating the bullet’s trajectory, he said.
At the El Paso Times (http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_15248836?source=most_viewed), Daniel Burunda reports, “U.S. authorities would not confirm if someone died, but Mexican news media reported a young man was dead. Some outlets showed photos of the body under the Puente Negro, or the Black Bridge, just west of the Paso del Norte Bridge.”

[Che a chara]

Well wow.

If we want to understand this legislation and it's consequences, i think we have to look at it from a different point of view.

First of, the law is draconian and disgusting and should be opposed by any person of moral and character and this vile, horrible murder of a child should make those who support SB1070 think again about what the legislation actually does and entails. It causes suspicion, division, paranoia and trigger happy pigs. This is what you asked for.

Now, we have to acknowledge that this legislation has been implemented and that there is going to be a heavy a handed response to those trying to cross the border to make a better life for themselves and feed their families. What needs to be done as well as outright challenging this inhumane law, is question why specially trained officers weren't able to use a less lethal weapon to apprehend a person trying to cross the border, surely they should have the right equipment to just stun or take down someone without the means to murder them ? even why couldn't they take an aim at someone's leg/foot and not their head ?

[¿Que?]

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

Not necessarily done with guns, but do you not see a problem here?
Yes, undocumented immigrants are more likely to avoid U.S. legal institutions. If they get in trouble with the law, they probably will not consider a lawyer. Rather, they will probably go back to Mexico and lay low. Thus, undocumented immigrants are less likely to go through the state legal apparatus as well as more difficult to locate when they get in trouble with the law.

Basically, this does not suggest to me that undocumented immigrants are more likely to commit crimes, rather they are less likely to get caught when the law is after them. I've provided a reason why this might be so.


In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes.

...snip
First of all, who the fuck know what kind of sampling technique they used. That was a government study too. So hurray for trusting the government (I really don't know your politics, so I'm not going to assume you are a libertarian).

The simple fact is that Latinos and Blacks are arrested and convicted at higher rates proportionally than whites. This goes without argument. So these statistics may very well reflect the racist nature of the current justice system.

Also, consider that we don't even know if the sample contained women or just men. If the sample was just men, then that's even more likely to skew the data, as men generally commit more crimes than women.

I don't too much doubt that the statistics are legit. I just don't think this is good evidence to suggest that undocumented immigrants commit more crime than the average person. And that is precisely what the source website is trying to suggest. Where you?

Finally, I'd like to apologize for offering another response to your statistics. I know other people have responded already, and I don't expect you to deal with all of them.

Thanks.

[Havet]

I'm guessing the illegal European occupiers who stole this land since 1492. Another point is that just because is law, doesn't mean its right. If it were then the case could be made that the Jim Crow laws were morally good because it was law.

Precisely my point

[Che a chara]

Myrick suspects terrorists crossing U.S.-Mexico border

Congresswoman believes Hezbollah is in Mexico, wants task force to investigate.


By Barbara Barrett
Washington correspondent
Posted: Wednesday, Jun. 30, 2010

WASHINGTON U.S. Rep. Sue Myrick has asked Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano to step up investigations of terrorists who might be operating on the U.S.-Mexico border.

Myrick, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, wants Napolitano to convene a task force on the presence of Hezbollah in Mexico.

"I believe Hezbollah and the drug cartels may be operating as partners on our border," Myrick wrote to Napolitano, who is secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, in a letter last week. "I believe we need to do more intelligence gathering on Hezbollah's presence on our border."

The task force, Myrick writes, would comprise U.S. and Mexican law enforcement and border patrol agents sharing information. She asks for both a public report and an intelligence report about Hezbollah's organization, activities and ties to gangs and drug cartels.

Myrick, a Charlotte Republican, declined to be interviewed for this article because of scheduling conflicts.

Homeland Security spokesman Matt Chandler said Tuesday in a prepared statement that the agency will respond directly to Myrick about her request.

"At this time, DHS does not have any credible information on terrorist groups operating along the Southwest border," he said.

Chandler said the agency uses "an intelligence-driven, layered enforcement approach" to securing the border, and that it works with law enforcement agencies in other countries.

As evidence of Hezbollah's connection to the Latino Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13 gang, Myrick's letter includes photographs of two prisoners' tattoos - one of which reads Hezbollah, the other of which, she wrote, is a Farsi translation of MS-13.

"We have typically seen tattoos in Arabic, but Farsi implies a Persian influence that can likely be traced back to Iran and its proxy army, Hezbollah," Myrick writes. "These tattoos in Farsi are almost always seen in connection with gang or drug cartel tattoos."

Myrick's request comes as drug-related violence in Mexico is in the news. President Felipe Calderon asked for the United States' continued cooperation in fighting violence during his recent trip to Washington.

Throughout Mexico, drug-related violence has cost some 23,000 lives since 2006.

It's known that Hezbollah is working in the western hemisphere, and intelligence officials have long monitored Hezbollah's drug-trafficking work in what's known as the tri-border region of Paraguay, Brazil and Argentina.

Myrick cites unnamed intelligence officials in her letter, and bases much of her information on a 2006 report from the Republican staff of a Homeland Security congressional subcommittee. The report warned of the threat from terrorist groups to the United States' southwestern border.

The report said about 250 illegal aliens were apprehended in 2005 from countries of special interest, or those countries which could export individuals who might harm the United States through terrorism. (There were an estimated 1.2 million undocumented immigrants apprehended that year.)

The committee also reported that members of Hezbollah already have crossed into the United States across its southwestern border. It pointed in part to the 2005 conviction of a man who had been smuggled across the U.S.-Mexico border and was providing financial support to Hezbollah.

"A task force could explore all these issues," Myrick wrote. "It is vital we know what is happening on our border, especially as crime and violence continue to rise there and as terrorist plots and threats are increasing inside the United States."

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/06/30/1533313/myrick-suspects-terrorists-at.html#ixzz0uQHrg5EE

[Che a chara]

I just came across this article.

Could this be a prelude to an American/Israeli invasion of Lebanon, or is it just more scaremongering propaganda to enforce the Arizona SB-1070 legislation ?

What is the likelihood of Hezbollah operating on the US border ?

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Its fear mongering propaganda. Its necessary to keep the American people in a state of fear and paranoia.In the 80s communist hordes were ready to pore across the Rio Grande. Now its the Muslims (from a country which is around 75% Catholic and the rest Pentacostalist Christian).

The US is contemplating revving up the "war against drugs" in Mexico by further militarizing the situation. Mexico seems to be imploding as a result to the past few decades of US enforced neo-liberalism. The only thing the US is good at these days is militarization. Its necessary to tie this in with the current official enemies, no matter who they are.

If it wasn't for the "Muslims" it would be Nigerian separatists, Kurdish guerrillas, Inuit suicide bombers. If you need enemies, they're not hard to find, or to create. Its the dynamics of ongoing primitive capital accumulation, i. e. raping the Third World.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I just came across this article.

Could this be a prelude to an American/Israeli invasion of Lebanon, or is it just more scaremongering propaganda to enforce the Arizona SB-1070 legislation ?

What is the likelihood of Hezbollah operating on the US border ?

I'm more worried about the US Border Patrol forcing the deaths of 1,000s of desperate peasants whose livelihoods have been destroyed by US capitalism. They've killed a hell of a lot more people in the border region than Hezbollah ever will.

[Che a chara]

I'm more worried about the US Border Patrol forcing the deaths of 1,000s of desperate peasants whose livelihoods have been destroyed by US capitalism. They've killed a hell of a lot more people in the border region than Hezbollah ever will.

NAFTA is/was the root cause of a lot the border upheaval. The Mexicans were totally exploited and crippled in certain fields, yet the USA just wipe their hands clean of the whole affair. Sickening.

[Nolan]

Hey everyone in this thread better stfu. everyone knows white, hetero, christian males who are citizens of the US are the most oppressed demographic in the world

arizona is gonna restore this country to its former glory

God bless america you red scum

[RGacky3]

Hey everyone in this thread better stfu. everyone knows white, hetero, christian males who are citizens of the US are the most oppressed demographic in the world

arizona is gonna restore this country to its former glory

God bless america you red scum

The scary thing is that there are people on TV that ACTUALLY say that with a straight face, how idiotic is the media.