Fight with friend over politics...

[person1021]

So, I'm new here, and I'm already at my wit's end.

My best friend, someone I have been friends with for almost seven years and who has helped me through alot of issues I had, and is also someone I can trust 100% and I have been fighting to no end about political beliefs. I feel like I am losing him. I am a left-winger and he is a right-wing hardcore Ayn Rand-style capitalist. He used to be just like me, a leftie..now he's just strange. :(


We fight and argue all the time, how he thinks the private sector is better as it creates jobs, gives people hope and how socialism and liberalism is theft as it steals other people's money, about government corruption and how the private sector does things better.


I disagree with him feverently, and he says things like "
i was a liberal too till i saw the light and embraced freedom and found happiness" which make me mad, as I am a staunch opponent of the law of the jungle capitalism that exists today.


How can we save our friendship, or I can at least prove him wrong with strong points against capitalism that he won't ignore outright?

[here for the revolution]

Either agree to disagree or I guess it won't work if you can't look past the politics. I can't blame you if you did cease to be mates to be honest, the vast majority of my friends are left minded (though not as extreme as me) and I don't know how I'd manage if they weren't.

[person1021]

Either agree to disagree or I guess it won't work if you can't look past the politics. I can't blame you if you did cease to be mates to be honest, the vast majority of my friends are left minded (though not as extreme as me) and I don't know how I'd manage if they weren't.


I'm afraid you may be right...I mean now he is trying to tie politics into everything.

I'm planning a trip to the USA to visit a friend and he tied in his "I am a capitalist" BS into it...he's also telling me that everyting in my life that happened(being bullied, depression, etc) is my fault. So he's kind of crossing a line.

[here for the revolution]

If you don't want to lose your mate because of your history then make a deal with him to leave the politics out-if you think you can manage your end of the deal! But yeah, that personal stuff is really not necessary at all, maybe his capitalist bullshit is poisoning him...

[danyboy27]

So, I'm new here, and I'm already at my wit's end.

My best friend, someone I have been friends with for almost seven years and who has helped me through alot of issues I had, and is also someone I can trust 100% and I have been fighting to no end about political beliefs. I feel like I am losing him. I am a left-winger and he is a right-wing hardcore Ayn Rand-style capitalist. He used to be just like me, a leftie..now he's just strange. :(


We fight and argue all the time, how he thinks the private sector is better as it creates jobs, gives people hope and how socialism and liberalism is theft as it steals other people's money, about government corruption and how the private sector does things better.


I disagree with him feverently, and he says things like "
i was a liberal too till i saw the light and embraced freedom and found happiness" which make me mad, as I am a staunch opponent of the law of the jungle capitalism that exists today.


How can we save our friendship, or I can at least prove him wrong with strong points against capitalism that he won't ignore outright?
i have somr right wing friend, to be honest, i never seen any problem with that so far. Since we are opposed politicly, we just dont agree and jest, making fun about each other political spectrum.

Sometimes good discussion might arise, and he concede me a point of 2.

I gave up trying to convince him long time ago.

[here for the revolution]

Yeah that's also true, I have a friend who's ultra capitalist alongside being a hard-line Catholic, we just take the piss occasionally and discuss them other times-it's necessary to understand opposite viewpoints to challenge and develop your own as well as develop our struggle.

[danyboy27]

Yeah that's also true, I have a friend who's ultra capitalist alongside being a hard-line Catholic, we just take the piss occasionally and discuss them other times-it's necessary to understand opposite viewpoints to challenge and develop your own as well as develop our struggle.

plus, it can be funny sometimes when ur drunk and stuff.

[DecDoom]

he's also telling me that everyting in my life that happened(being bullied, depression, etc) is my fault.

Capitalist or not, he sounds like a complete prick. It may be time to move on.

[here for the revolution]

plus, it can be funny sometimes when ur drunk and stuff.

Hell yes, I was discussing with my friends the benefits of a coup in the DR Congo the other day, whilst sober :p. It only gets better when drunk hah.

[Invincible Summer]

I have a friend who's a libertarian and we disagree on a lot of things. But whenever politics does come up, we both seem to try and talk about things where we can both sort of agree. He's not really a "goddamn commies should go to hell!" kind of guy, at least. We're both aware we are on opposite sides of the spectrum so we try and keep things civil. If you can try and maintain that sort of relationship then I guess that would be better than seeing each other as class enemies or something.

[person1021]

Thank you for the advice all...I really do appreciate it. :)

[Lyev]

Yup, my girlfriends dad is an avowed conservative. He takes the piss out of my politics a lot, it amuses him how Socialist Party of England and Wales abbreviates to SPEW. Rather than things getting heated and nasty, we just turn it into banter and jokes.

[person1021]

Yup, my girlfriends dad is an avowed conservative. He takes the piss out of my politics a lot, it amuses him how Socialist Party of England and Wales abbreviates to SPEW. Rather than things getting heated and nasty, we just turn it into banter and jokes.


I chuckled at the SPEW part, too.

I mean I wish we could..I've told him "look I disagree with you and you disagree with me..let's leave it at that." and we try that, but we both are big political junkies and I hate how he talks about social assistance being "entitlement" and all this horse-shit....I'll try to patch things up but I don't know what might happen..:/

[danyboy27]

I chuckled at the SPEW part, too.

I mean I wish we could..I've told him "look I disagree with you and you disagree with me..let's leave it at that." and we try that, but we both are big political junkies and I hate how he talks about social assistance being "entitlement" and all this horse-shit....I'll try to patch things up but I don't know what might happen..:/

well, try to find some compromise, stuff you both somehow agree.

Libertarian conservative have this ideal of freedom(even if fucking corrupt), talk about it, express your point of view, try to understand his, and just talk.

you dont need to be a fully comitted revolutionary all the time you know, tone down the tethoric with him.

If he is a good friend he will still like you even tho you got differents political views.

I got this thing in my family, some are separatist, other are not, but dosnt matter,we are all brother and sisters.

[Chambered Word]

I'm planning a trip to the USA to visit a friend and he tied in his "I am a capitalist" BS into it...he's also telling me that everyting in my life that happened(being bullied, depression, etc) is my fault. So he's kind of crossing a line.

Your friend actually does sound like a real arsehole OP, that would explain why he's a Randroid. If I were you I'd just move on.

[The Idler]

The political answer is get over it, leftists should be able to be friends with everyone else without getting into arguments about politics all the time. As for the personal relationship, only you can know if the politics isn't just an excuse for you two drifting apart anyway.

[jake williams]

So, I'm new here, and I'm already at my wit's end.

My best friend, someone I have been friends with for almost seven years and who has helped me through alot of issues I had, and is also someone I can trust 100% and I have been fighting to no end about political beliefs. I feel like I am losing him. I am a left-winger and he is a right-wing hardcore Ayn Rand-style capitalist. He used to be just like me, a leftie..now he's just strange. :(


We fight and argue all the time, how he thinks the private sector is better as it creates jobs, gives people hope and how socialism and liberalism is theft as it steals other people's money, about government corruption and how the private sector does things better.


I disagree with him feverently, and he says things like "
i was a liberal too till i saw the light and embraced freedom and found happiness" which make me mad, as I am a staunch opponent of the law of the jungle capitalism that exists today.


How can we save our friendship, or I can at least prove him wrong with strong points against capitalism that he won't ignore outright?
If he's been a leftie (ok, a liberal) for a while, and he's only recently become a fucking Rand-ite, it's reasonably likely he'll grow out of it within a few months. I would say don't do anything drastic for awhile.

That said, if he doesn't, it's a bit of a different situation. There's a world of difference between basically decent conservatives, religious people etc., and borderline sociopaths who hate other human beings.