View Full Version : European United Left: can't it start its own International?
Die Neue Zeit
28th April 2010, 06:29
Given the controversial discussion on whether the PSUV will include very questionable "anti-imperialist" elements in their International project, and given the huge ego of Hugo Chavez, can't the European United Left step up to the plate and start its own International, with membership participation on the part of the Japanese Communist Party, American pareconists, etc.?
Others might hurl the traditional insult of Euro-centrism, but at least there would be more solid unity.
If you're referring to the GUE/NGL (http://www.guengl.eu/showPage.jsp), this is mainly a reality in the EU parliament. Outside it virtually doesn't exist. But I agree it would be a serious step forward if there was to be a more extensive "international" within the European context, a single party on the EU level is what we need as a class.
Die Neue Zeit
28th April 2010, 06:37
Actually, what I meant was that for Herr (not Genosse) Lothar Bisky and company to pre-empt El Comandante Hugo Chavez by setting up a new International first. ;)
chebol
28th April 2010, 07:23
Or, instead of more futile posturing ("My fifth international is better than your fifth international" - REALLY useful, that is, really useful) and dividing a nascent global collaborative effort of the international left, maybe they could keep doing what they currently are - building left collaboration in Europe while also trying to push the Chavez proposal in a sane direction.
"Genosse" Bisky indeed. Fau!
And what makes you think anything led by Bisky and Gysi would be better than something led by Chavez? For all his flaws, at least Chavez is some sort of revolutionary.
FSL
28th April 2010, 08:24
In case you didn't know, there already is a socialist international that's about as revolutionary as Bisky. You can always support that one.
Die Neue Zeit
30th April 2010, 02:10
And what makes you think anything led by Bisky and Gysi would be better than something led by Chavez? For all his flaws, at least Chavez is some sort of revolutionary.
You brought up the wrong figures. I think Liquidationist Lothar Bisky (for suggesting a future merger with the SPD) will retire soon from GUE-NGL work, if not at the same time as stepping down from the Die Linke co-chair position. Pro-Party Gregor Gysi (against such a merger and probably a tad more left-reformist than his fellow Ossis on coalitions) is focusing on parliamentary chair work.
The two up-and-comers Gesine Lotzsch and Klaus Ernst (or whoever else will one-up the latter in particular) will probably be too busy transitioning into their new roles. Others, like Katja "Basic Income Crusader" Kipping and Sahra "Married to a Businessman" Wagenknecht, don't look to me like the organizing type.
That leaves only one major figure who could pull this off before Chavez. And no, this figure isn't personal buddy Jean-Luc "Copycat" Melenchon in France. ;)
chebol
30th April 2010, 02:59
Who did you have in mind?
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