Why only part time anti imperialism?

[Chief Of Staff]

I dont get why we support some peoples against imperialism but not others, i will show what i mean.

Ireland: Over one million colonial (mainly protestant) settlers still vote for NI to stay in the united kingdom, yet in the 1990s, most communists supported the PIRA, INLA and said the settlers had no right to keep ireland part of the UK.

yet...

Malvinas(falkland islands): Were colonised by Britain, yet tons of communists say Argentina have no right to them because most of the islanders want to remain british becaus they are decendants of colonial settlers, so how can communists be so hypocrytical.

Palestine: We all agree the horrific and brutal occupation and destruction of palestine is wrong and isreal is an illegitimate state yet jewish settlers have been born their and never known anywhere else, so why dont those who support the malvinas being british support zionist isreal?

America: America was colonized 600 years after ireland was, yet we are told time has made it ok that the decendants of colonial settlers hold power and have made their own nation and forced natives out by many communists, i believe this is because wether they realise it or not they have racism installed in them and subconciously believe white imperialism to be progressive.

Cornwall: In England, was colonised and made part of England and forced into the Union, yet communists somehow think that the colonisation of cornwall was ok but irelands occupation is terrible, ireland has been colonised longer, so the whole time thing cant be argued here.

Anyone want to clear this staggering hypocracy up for me, cheers

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Few of those issues are as black-and-white as the majoritiy of imperialist adventures.

Also, Cornwall? That's just stupid.

[Palingenisis]

Few of those issues are as black-and-white as the majoritiy of imperialist adventures.

Also, Cornwall? That's just stupid.

Cornwall is most definitely a nation with its own language and distinct celtic culture.

Are you an English chauvanist?

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Cornwall is most definitely a nation with its own language and distinct celtic culture.

Are you an English chauvanist?

Yes, I know that, but I hardly think Cornwall is being exploited by the UK central government in an imperialist way, its not as if there are troops on the street keeping the cornish repressed.

If its colonialism, when did the UK invade Cornwall? Or perhaps I am have forgotton the part of history where the British Empire expanded into Cornwall.

[Palingenisis]

Yes, I know that, but I hardly think Cornwall is being exploited by the UK central government in an imperialist way, its not as if there are troops on the street keeping the cornish repressed.
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If memory serves me correctly most of Cornwall is owned by Prince Charles and its one of the poorest places in Britian. There is a resistance movement there.

Im going to have to read up on its history.

[Proletarian Ultra]

Anyone want to clear this staggering hypocracy up for me, cheers

Sure.

A few exceptions aside, Communists did not/do not support Britain's claim to the Malvinas.
Communists support Jewish Palestinians' indefeasible right to live in a unitary, secular worker's democracy from the river to the sea.
Communist involvement in American Indian struggles has not been quite as extensive as work on African-American civil rights, but it's not insignificant either.
And lastly: 'Th on onan hag oll rag Kernow!


EDIT: Yes, I know this was a troll. I mostly just wanted to quote some Cornish.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

If memory serves me correctly most of Cornwall is owned by Prince Charles and its one of the poorest places in Britian. There is a resistance movement there.

Im going to have to read up on its history.

True, but he's hardly strip mining the place or enslaving cornish peeps, its not much worse than the rest of the UK, its main problem being the collapse of the mining industry and the lack of any replacement.

[chegitz guevara]

Y'all know this was just a troll, right?

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Y'all know this was just a troll, right?

Clearly, but its fun to play with trolls.

[Devrim]

Cornwall is most definitely a nation with its own language

The last native speaker of which died over one hundred years ago.

Devrim

[Palingenisis]

The last native speaker of which died over one hundred years ago.

Devrim

The language is in the process of being revived and as this thread shows PT Cruz has some knowledge of it. Actually anarchism is very influential on the national liberation movement there (as it in the liberation movement in Brittany).

http://libcom.org/forums/south-west/national-minorities-in-the-uk

The first post there is very interesting before the thread descends into English racism.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

The language is in the process of being revived and as this thread shows PT Cruz has some knowledge of it. Actually anarchism is very influential on the national liberation movement there (as it in the liberation movement in Brittany).

http://libcom.org/forums/south-west/national-minorities-in-the-uk

The first post there is very interesting before the thread descends into English racism.

National Liberation is bollocks, all it does is create a new local elite to replace the previous forgien one.

If some local cornish aristocrats want to pretend they're from a diffrent ethnicity to the rest of the UK, and try to rebuild it, they can do, but its pointless.

[Palingenisis]

National Liberation is bollocks, all it does is create a new local elite to replace the previous forgien one.

If some local cornish aristocrats want to pretend they're from a diffrent ethnicity to the rest of the UK, and try to rebuild it, they can do, but its pointless.

As far as I know there are no local Cornish aristocrats or even big or middle size capitalists (though like I said I need learn more about Cornwall). You are also forgetting that in both China and Albania the working class siezed power after sucessfully nationally liberating the country. So it all depends who leads the national liberation. Even when it is led by the patriotic bourgiouse it weakens Imperialism and brings real improvements to people's lives aswell as often helping the revolutionary movement in the Imperialist nation. Can the events of May/June 1968 in France be imagined without the Algerian war of independence coming before them?

[Andropov]

"The Cornish people" (if there is such a thing) have little to no national consciousness.
Of course it could hold some characteristics of a Nation including a distinct language, a common history and some ethnic differences.
But just because it may hold these features does not mean it is automatically a nation or indeed being occupied by imperialism.
Indeed it seems that this former distinct regional entity has become wholey absorbed into English Nationalist consciousness.

[Devrim]

The language is in the process of being revived and as this thread shows PT Cruz has some knowledge of it. Actually anarchism is very influential on the national liberation movement there (as it in the liberation movement in Brittany).

I think that there is a real difference between the language question in a country like Turkey, where until recently it was illegal to speak a language such as Kurdish with a penalty of up to six years imprisonment for speaking what was for some people their native and only language, and a place like Cornwall where nobody is an native speaker, and their biggest linguistic gripe seems to be that the government won't give big enough subsidies to the hobby of a few people.

Devrim

[Robocommie]

More importantly, who the hell builds a wall out of corn?

[The Ungovernable Farce]

As far as I know there are no local Cornish aristocrats or even big or middle size capitalists (though like I said I need learn more about Cornwall). You are also forgetting that in both China and Albania the working class siezed power after sucessfully nationally liberating the country.
Yeah, China and Albania, definitely two good models to copy. :mellow:

[Forward Union]

Ireland: yet...Malvinas(falkland islands):

Well the difference is that in Ireland we are acting in solidarity with the local people who have quite clearly shown their desire to be separate from the UK. Not only this, but there is a distinct class dynamic to the struggle in Ireland. The Falklands is completely different, to oppose British rule there would be to support a foreign Army occupying a region which considers itself British.


America: America was colonized 600 years after ireland was, yet we are told time has made it ok that the decendants of colonial settlers hold power and have made their own nation and forced natives out by many communists, i believe this is because wether they realise it or not they have racism installed in them and subconciously believe white imperialism to be progressive.Well, the colonisation of America is such an imbeded historical fact that it's not worth talking about. It's irreversible. You can't exactly uproot the millions of people who were born there and put them back in Europe, demolishing the cities etc. It's absurd to even talk about it. Beyond that, every communist I know recognises that it is the ruling class is in power in America, not the working class, and agree that the former ought to be overthrown by the latter, is there something incomplete about this position - or would you rather re draw the class lines along race lines between the less than 1% of the Population who are of native origin, pitching them (worker and boss) against the 99% of people who have origins outside the US, including working class families...


Cornwall: In England, was colonised and made part of England and forced into the Union, yet communists somehow think that the colonisation of cornwall was ok but irelands occupation is terrible, ireland has been colonised longer, so the whole time thing cant be argued here.But most Cornish people don't consider themselves Cornish (though I do principally support Cornish separatism). I mean, How far back do you want to go? the North of England used to be called the Kingdom of Northumberland, until it was forcibly conquered by other kingdoms. Where I live in the UK used to be the Kingdom of Wessex before imperial conquests in the years around 900ad brought it under regional control. The North of France used to be part of England until the 1200s, can we have that back?

We have to root our anti imperialism in the real world and not in academic morality you see.

[Forward Union]

If its colonialism, when did the UK invade Cornwall? Or perhaps I am have forgotton the part of history where the British Empire expanded into Cornwall.

Colonialism is the wrong word. But yes, England did forcibly expand into Cornwall before the UK came into existence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCW9PT7Qe00