Grandma and Mom won't let me go to PSL meeting.

[The Red Next Door]

I am 19 and i am gonna be 20 in september, My mom and grandmother overbearingness is effecting, my revolutionary spirit. I ask one of the St.Louis members to see, if i can get to a PSL meeting across the river, I ask my mom and she said no. because i am riding with a bunch stranger, Now I know when to trust people and when to not. Their overbearingness makes me feel sad at time, because at my age i should have freedom, and My mom thinks the PSL is a cult.


Update: They let me go to the meeting yesterday, and i had fun!

[anticap]

Obedience doesn't even come into play here. In the U$, where you evidently live, parents are considered to essentially own their children, much like one owns a pet, until the day of the child's 18th birthday (this can end sooner under certain circumstances). Inform them that you are a grown man and will keep whatever company you choose, just as they do.

[red cat]

Or you can get out for something else and take a wrong turn :lol:

[which doctor]

You're probably better off not going. The PSL is thoroughly opportunist and essentially runs on a platform of 'hate the rich!' I understand your 'revolutionary spirit' and willingness to get involved with a political organization, but I'd stay away from the PSL unless a perpetual anti-war protester is what you're interested in becoming.

[9]

Why would you ask your mom, bro? You’re nineteen years old; just go.

[Sendo]

You obviously need to end this relationship you've got with your mom. You're whining like a *****. I don't know why she thinks it's her business to control your personal life. And what is your grandmother doing in all this. Grow up.

If you;ve go the finances move out. If not, grow up some. This doesn't sound like a case of "you're living under my roof and you won't be getting involved with anything that'll make the cops knock on my door". It sounds like a whiny kid and an overprotective mom. Don't ask us. Sort your life out, man.

[Raúl Duke]

Just do it
Although personally, if I was going to piss off my parents leaving with strangers it will most likely be a month-long drug&sex-fueled odyssey across the United States.

But I live at college so I'm away from them so in a sense...for something like going to a PSL meeting that would be simple and non-problematic for me.

[Prairie Fire]

Whoa, whoa,whoa! Sendo, what the hell?

First of all,watch those expressions.

Second of all, don't insult the comrade! It is not as cut and dry as you are making it out to be.

To the original poster, I understand and sympathize. In my family, I have clashed to varying degrees with most of my family (both immediate and extended), and as a communist organizer I have experienced several cases where younger individuals who were interested in organizations that I have been involved with were forbidden from meeting with us or participating in our events by their parents.

It is a delicate situation, because I don't know what your home life is like, what your economic/employment situation is, so there are many factors to take into consideration when it comes to burning your bridges.

Perhaps a good way to go about it, if you have connections with these PSL people allready, is to bring your mom with you to dispel any misgivings she may have. I know this is easier said than done, but it is worth a shot.

As for the PSL itself and their politics, I'm more in agreement with Which doctor. That said, there are worse organizations that you can join though, and far be it from me to discourage someone from getting involved in tangible progressive politics ( especially if the alternative is doing nothing).

[Dimentio]

I am 19 and i am gonna be 20 in september, My mom and grandmother overbearingness is effecting, my revolutionary spirit. I ask one of the St.Louis members to see, if i can get to a PSL meeting across the river, I ask my mom and she said no. because i am riding with a bunch stranger, Now I know when to trust people and when to not. Their overbearingness makes me feel suicidal at time, because at my age i should have freedom, and My mom thinks the PSL is a cult.

Why did you ask your mom in the first place?

[manic expression]

Comrade, you've made a great choice in becoming interested in the PSL. On your dilemma, I think you should contact your local PSL branch and explain the situation to them, I'm sure something can be worked out. I was living almost 5 hours away from the closest branch and they drove out to meet me...I've been involved in the party since that point.

Lastly, and most importantly, don't think about suicide, comrade. I've been there and it doesn't help you or the movement. At the very, very, very worst, if you have to wait a few years before getting involved with the PSL, try to be patient, because we're not going anywhere and you'll always be welcome. No worries, comrade, I have a feeling this will work out. Keep us posted! :thumbup1:

[The Idler]

Pick another left party, and keep asking her with different parties. Eventually she will get tired and give in.

[Kassad]

Manic Expression is totally right. Contact your local branch and explain the situation and they can attempt to help you out and potentially get some materials your way. The St. Louis branch is one of the newest branches of our party, so I'm glad to see you want to assist in building it.

Unfortunately, working with our party will bring a lot of criticisms your way from people like Which Doctor who have really no idea what they're talking about. His analysis of our platform and our work is ridiculous, since we are active in all aspects of the workers struggle, not just some "hate the rich" campaign. Feel free to contact Manic and myself if you have any questions, and I can definitely get you the phone numbers and e-mails of some comrades in the area and in the Midwest who can give you some tips.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I'm in agreement with manic and Kassad, get in contact with the party, I've met one PSL girl and she was awesome, from what I know the PSL are a lovely bunch of people who really pride themselves on the fact that they look out for their own. I'm not sure exactly what the branch will be able to do in terms of your dire situation, but at the very least they will be able to offer you some advice and moral support. As your you family, just tell them they need to accept that you want to go to the PSL meeting, and that you ARE going to go to the PSL meeting, don't be a prick about it, but be firm, make sure they know that you are 19 years old and that this is what you want to do. Worst comes to worst you can always just tell them that you are a "Goddamn American and that nobody is going to get in the way of my FREEDOM".

Good luck with it comrade, I'm a huge fan of the PSL (in case you couldn't tell) and I really think that if there is any one party worth getting in with in the USA, it's them.

[Spawn of Stalin]

And to whoever said that the OP shouldn't go because the PSL are anti-working class reformists or whatever the hell you accused them of being, please don't make this about the party, this is about the principle that the OP's mum won't let them go to the meeting, you should encourage them to go regardless of which group it is.

[The Red Next Door]

Comrade, you've made a great choice in becoming interested in the PSL. On your dilemma, I think you should contact your local PSL branch and explain the situation to them, I'm sure something can be worked out. I was living almost 5 hours away from the closest branch and they drove out to meet me...I've been involved in the party since that point.

Lastly, and most importantly, don't think about suicide, comrade. I've been there and it doesn't help you or the movement. At the very, very, very worst, if you have to wait a few years before getting involved with the PSL, try to be patient, because we're not going anywhere and you'll always be welcome. No worries, comrade, I have a feeling this will work out. Keep us posted! :thumbup1:
I have talk to slipoutside on the phone about it, and he said he will talk to my mom.

[the last donut of the night]

You're probably better off not going. The PSL is thoroughly opportunist and essentially runs on a platform of 'hate the rich!' I understand your 'revolutionary spirit' and willingness to get involved with a political organization, but I'd stay away from the PSL unless a perpetual anti-war protester is what you're interested in becoming.

Oh gee, Mr. Doctor, I sure didn't know these far-fetched tales on the evil, opportunistic PSL!

:rolleyes:

How about we disect this charged argument.


The PSL is thoroughly opportunist and essentially runs on a platform of 'hate the rich!'

Well, this was expected. Because any organization which doesn't call for the immediate revolt against capitalism, ignores and badmouths every single revolution since 1917, refuses to do any work with workers which doesn't fit every single requirement of their sectarian agenda, or is completely arrogant in how they deal with other leftists is opportunistic? The PSL is one of the most authentic and revolutionary parties in the USA as of now. In fact, it's the sole revolutionary party in the USA. It calls for the dismantling of capitalism and it makes sure to never water down their rhetoric -- something a lot of socialist parties here are and were guilty of. But obviously, you think it's opportunistic to work with workers against imperialistic war, racist police and politicians and organizations, or work for local elections. In a place with such low class-consciousness as the US, these struggles are extremely important because they teach workers about the contradictions of capitalism and how to organize. You need practice overthrowing something before you actually do it. Maybe you guys have about 300 members worldwide because nobody really cares about your ivory towers.

Also, the PSL runs on a platform of hatred of the rich. We know that. I mean, doesn't every single revolutionary organization today? I personally think that what drove me to socialism was a profound hatred of a system which couldn't feed the people around me and the profound hatred of the lying scum that perpetuate it. I hate snobs, and I don't really wonder why the workers of New York or Los Angeles (the PSL's biggest bases as of today) would be very different. But it's not only that. It has a principled, well-shaped, and revolutionary platform. Obviously, you ignore that as well.


I'd stay away from the PSL unless a perpetual anti-war protester is what you're interested in becoming.

One glance at the PSL's website proves this statement wrong. But of course, internationalism.org says different, so I should really believe them.

Leftist sectarianism at its best.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Your 19, you can do wahtever the fuck you want.

[The Red Next Door]

Comrade, you've made a great choice in becoming interested in the PSL. On your dilemma, I think you should contact your local PSL branch and explain the situation to them, I'm sure something can be worked out. I was living almost 5 hours away from the closest branch and they drove out to meet me...I've been involved in the party since that point.

Lastly, and most importantly, don't think about suicide, comrade. I've been there and it doesn't help you or the movement. At the very, very, very worst, if you have to wait a few years before getting involved with the PSL, try to be patient, because we're not going anywhere and you'll always be welcome. No worries, comrade, I have a feeling this will work out. Keep us posted! :thumbup1:
I won't do it.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

Sympathies,

To those without as liberaly parents, disagreeing with them can have serious conquences if they're the sort of conservative head of the household type

I'd say either just say your going out with a friend, and go there anyway, and mabye try and tell her that your 19 and old enough to make your own decisions now?

[The Ungovernable Farce]

There's pretty much two completely separate issues here; your mom and the PSL. I'd advise you to a) move out (can you get housing benefit/rent assistance/anything like that in the US, or is that too "socialist"? Obviously, there's no one set path through life that's valid for everyone, but I do think that it's better to have the experience of living independently and supporting yourself by the time you're 20), and b) not waste your time with Stalinist dead-ends.

[The Gallant Gallstone]

Why not bring your mother along?

[black magick hustla]

just tell them you are going to a music show or something

[Foldered]

just tell them you are going to a music show or something
This is what I would do in a similar situation. There's no point in having a huge confrontation about it.

[Bitter Ashes]

I can sympathise. Some people have real difficulty letting go of the whole taking responsibility for thier own actions stuff. Heck, if me wanting to please my family when I was only a couple of years younger than you got me to pressurise myself into joining the British Army and trying to ex-gay myself, then this seems pretty minor.

At the end of the day, you're an adult. Whether you go or not is your descion. You can ask for advice, but if you follow any of it then that's still your responsibility. Saying that "so and so told me to do it" is no defence.

The only time this doesnt apply is when you're under duress. That may be biting the bullet and getting a job which you know will only make your employer more powerful, but knowing that the alternative is having the produce of others' labour denied to you. Or in this case, it could mean anything up to losing your home.

I dont think you can really know whether you've even got a choice here until you're aware of the consequences of your actions.

[Jimmie Higgins]

On your dilemma, I think you should contact your local PSL branch and explain the situation to them, I'm sure something can be worked out.

Right. While I think it's important that you do establish your own boundaries and independence with your family, it's better to tackle that on its own terms. It sounds like this is a general problem, so rather than making a fight out of each time you want to go to a political protest or meeting or even to a concert or whatnot, I think it might be better to tell them that you would like your space and that you are old enough and that you don't want this to be a conflict every time you want to go out and peruse your own interests.

I'd say for the immediate situation, like Manic said, contact the organizers you've met and work out something where you can maybe meet at a local coffee shop or just talk over the phone for a while.

[The Gallant Gallstone]

I say ask your mother to come along if she's uncomfortable with you going alone.

If you're serious about being a socialist (and/or a revolutionary) you're going to have to get used to talking to people honestly about unpopular ideas. What better place to start?

[AK]

Why not bring your mother along?
Oh, that'll go down great. Mother and a bunch of Marxist-Leninists... :laugh:

[Spawn of Stalin]

She might learn a thing or two

[Chambered Word]

In my honest opinion you should think about moving out.


because i am riding with a bunch stranger, Now I know when to trust people and when to not.

I always use public transport and my legs to get to and from political meetings and rallies, although I typically have one of my parents drive me to the nearest train station first. If you can walk there within a short period of time that's even better. So if you have a decent public transport system near you where you aren't going to get bashed I'd advise you to give it a try. If the issue is with you being out alone by yourself without your mother, you really need to address this. You're 19.


There's pretty much two completely separate issues here; your mom and the PSL. I'd advise you to a) move out (can you get housing benefit/rent assistance/anything like that in the US, or is that too "socialist"? Obviously, there's no one set path through life that's valid for everyone, but I do think that it's better to have the experience of living independently and supporting yourself by the time you're 20), and b) not waste your time with Stalinist dead-ends.

Well yeah, that really made me wonder what was going on. You seem really libertarian to me Midwest.

[bailey_187]

not waste your time with Stalinist dead-ends.

Yeah, join a Anarchist group and spent the rest fo your life living in squats

[bricolage]

Yeah, join a Anarchist group and spent the rest fo your life living in squats

No, join a Stalinist group and spend the rest of your life living in the 1930s.

[manic expression]

No, join a Stalinist group and spend the rest of your life living in the 1930s.
Yeah, because if anything says 1930's, it's a party founded in 2004. :rolleyes: Do you know the first thing about the PSL or did you come up with that little funny-funny by consulting your Periodic Table of Sectarian Grudges?

Just in case some posters here forgot, the topic at hand is not "how would you go about dissing a revolutionary party you don't agree with?"

[revolution inaction]

Yeah, join a Anarchist group and spent the rest fo your life living in squats

fuck off

[which doctor]

I guess I have trouble taking an organization that still uses Che's image so prominently too seriously.


Oh gee, Mr. Doctor, I sure didn't know these far-fetched tales on the evil, opportunistic PSL!
That's Dr. Doctor to you!



Well, this was expected. Because any organization which doesn't call for the immediate revolt against capitalism, ignores and badmouths every single revolution since 1917, refuses to do any work with workers which doesn't fit every single requirement of their sectarian agenda, or is completely arrogant in how they deal with other leftists is opportunistic?If you're referring to Platypus, you're understanding of them clearly doesn't extend beyond the tip of your own nose, especially since they are one of the very few organizations that are trying to open up a dialogue between different left groups to clarify their positions.



The PSL is one of the most authentic and revolutionary parties in the USA as of now. In fact, it's the sole revolutionary party in the USA.Hah! You're more delusional than I thought. You really think the PSL is a revolutionary party? Let alone the sole 'authentic' revolutionary party? There are no revolutionary parties in the US, let alone anywhere in the industrialized west, that much should be clear.


In a place with such low class-consciousness as the US, these struggles are extremely important because they teach workers about the contradictions of capitalism and how to organize.Calling for higher taxes on the rich and for the arrest of some mine boss is hardly teaching people about the contradictions of capitalism. It's the politics of resentment.


You need practice overthrowing something before you actually do it.I don't even know what this could possibly mean. Does the PSL 'practice' overthrowing things? Besides, there is no equivalent task to overcoming capitalism.


Maybe you guys have about 300 members worldwide because nobody really cares about your ivory towers.300 members? Haha! Try the double digits next time, and on the lower end of the scale, but I'm quite flattered you think we're so large. And I hate to say it, but the ivory towers crumbled years ago. And people do seem to care about us, they care enough to write a bunch of angry polemics against us.


Also, the PSL runs on a platform of hatred of the rich. We know that. I mean, doesn't every single revolutionary organization today?I seriously hope not. The rich aren't the problem, capitalism is. I'd get rich too if I had the opporutunity!


But what I'm really curious about is, what sort of pedagogical model does the PSL have for its members?

[Red North]

Dude, you're 19 years old, man up and claim your freedom. I'm 19 too, but when I was 15 I made a stand and made it perfectly clear to my parents that they couldn't control me. I've been doing what I want, when I want ever since. If you're not willing to fight for freedom, you don't deserve it.

[The Red Next Door]

Dude, you're 19 years old, man up and claim your freedom. I'm 19 too, but when I was 15 I made a stand and made it perfectly clear to my parents that they couldn't control me. I've been doing what I want, when I want ever since. If you're not willing to fight for freedom, you don't deserve it.
I can't be disrepectful,

[Spawn of Stalin]

I guess I have trouble taking an organization that still uses Che's image so prominently too seriously.
He was a pretty prominent revolutionary you know, not just a pop culture icon for troubled teens. Regardless, if Che's image is really what stops you taking a party seriously, then you are petty. I have trouble taking anarchists seriously, because they use that funny looking A in a circle so prominently, but then again, I think revolutionary socialism is a bit more important than imagery. The PSL could use an image of Jabba the Hutt fucking Hulk Hogan on a bed of nails for all I care, their politics would still be good.

Calling for higher taxes on the rich and for the arrest of some mine boss is hardly teaching people about the contradictions of capitalism. It's the politics of resentment.
You say this as if calling on a fairer tax system is the PSL's only activity, clearly it isn't, the PSL organise in communities, and indeed do their best to educate members of those communities. But I digress, we can confidently say that the USA isn't going to have a full blown socialist revolution tomorrow, with this in mind, would you seriously oppose taxing the rich more?! Or is it an all or nothing deal?

[Foldered]

Dude, you're 19 years old, man up and claim your freedom. I'm 19 too, but when I was 15 I made a stand and made it perfectly clear to my parents that they couldn't control me.
"Man[ing] up" isn't the issue. And if you're comfortable living in a house your parents are paying for, if they're dicks, they will control you. Either the situation sucks so hard that you go and live on your own (that's not being a "man" as in manning up, that's called being a human being*) or you find a way to reconcile your position within the structure of your family dynamic.


*sorry, I get a little touchy when people use sexist tropes so casually.

[Spawn of Stalin]

I can't be disrepectful,
But your family can? Why should they be allowed to disrespect you beliefs but not you theirs? You don't even need to be disrespectful about it.

[Glenn Beck]

http://behardcore.com/bhc.jpg

[The Red Next Door]

i went to psl meeting, so the topic is finish close it.

[The Gallant Gallstone]

How was it?

[Red North]

"Man[ing] up" isn't the issue. And if you're comfortable living in a house your parents are paying for, if they're dicks, they will control you. Either the situation sucks so hard that you go and live on your own (that's not being a "man" as in manning up, that's called being a human being*) or you find a way to reconcile your position within the structure of your family dynamic.


*sorry, I get a little touchy when people use sexist tropes so casually.

I'm back living at my father's at the moment, and he has absolutly no control over me. I vanish in the middle of the night to go to my girl's house on a regular basis, and he never questions where I go or even care anymore. All I'm saying is you must be assertive in claiming your right to do what you want to do, especially if you're legally adult age and still being controlled by your parents.
And I hardly see how ''man up'' is sexist, please explain that to me.

[Kassad]

fuck off

Don't flame. Consider this a verbal warning.

[Foldered]

I'm back living at my father's at the moment, and he has absolutly no control over me. I vanish in the middle of the night to go to my girl's house on a regular basis, and he never questions where I go or even care anymore. All I'm saying is you must be assertive in claiming your right to do what you want to do, especially if you're legally adult age and still being controlled by your parents.
And I hardly see how ''man up'' is sexist, please explain that to me.
Because "man up" means "stand up;" but by putting "man" there you're suggesting that doing so is exclusive to men. Pretty straightforward.

As for the earlier portion of your post, it's great that that worked for you, but if I have any understanding of MidwestAnarcho's situation, it wouldn't work that way for him. Using the "I'm an adult, you can't control me" would more than likely lead to "Okay, then, you can't live in my house any more, adult." So, like I said, if you're comfortable living with your rents, and those rents are very strict, you do need to find a nice medium, or if that isn't your fancy, you could leave and sustain yourself. Saying that you can't be controlled or that you won't do what your parents wish while still expecting to live with your parents isn't standing up at all.
My parents are and were incredibly lax with me, but it took me a lot to get there.

[InuyashaKnight]

Just go you'll regret it later bud..

[Red North]

i went to psl meeting, so the topic is finish close it.

Good on ya man!

[Red North]

Because "man up" means "stand up;" but by putting "man" there you're suggesting that doing so is exclusive to men. Pretty straightforward.

As for the earlier portion of your post, it's great that that worked for you, but if I have any understanding of MidwestAnarcho's situation, it wouldn't work that way for him. Using the "I'm an adult, you can't control me" would more than likely lead to "Okay, then, you can't live in my house any more, adult." So, like I said, if you're comfortable living with your rents, and those rents are very strict, you do need to find a nice medium, or if that isn't your fancy, you could leave and sustain yourself. Saying that you can't be controlled or that you won't do what your parents wish while still expecting to live with your parents isn't standing up at all.
My parents are and were incredibly lax with me, but it took me a lot to get there.

Good point, I suppose everyone is in a different situation when it comes to parental issues.
But as for ''man up'' being sexist, its just an expression, Its not meant to be taken completly literally, or over reacted to, its simply a part of everyday speech. I've even heard girls say it to other girls.

[bricolage]

Yeah, because if anything says 1930's, it's a party founded in 2004. :rolleyes: Do you know the first thing about the PSL or did you come up with that little funny-funny by consulting your Periodic Table of Sectarian Grudges?

Just in case some posters here forgot, the topic at hand is not "how would you go about dissing a revolutionary party you don't agree with?"

Lol, calm down mate.
It was a stupid quip in response to a stupid quip about squats, if you really got that heated about it then you probably need to get off the internet a bit more.
And actually now that I think about it it was a response to a British poster who is clearly not in the PSL. You fail on every level.
You are right though I don't know the first thing about the PSL and don't have any interest to, I have better things to do... like punch myself in the face. Catch you in the revolution bro.

[revolution inaction]

Don't flame. Consider this a verbal warning.

you warn me but not bailey_187 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=18276)?

[Spawn of Stalin]

It was a stupid quip in response to a stupid quip about squats, if you really got that heated about it then you probably need to get off the internet a bit more.
And actually now that I think about it it was a response to a British poster who is clearly not in the PSL. You fail on every level.
Any particular reason?

[bricolage]

Any particular reason?

Which bit are you referring to?

[Sir Comradical]

"Listen to your parents, they know what's good for you" - Mikhail Bakunin.

I hope I've made my point.

[bailey_187]

you warn me but not bailey_187 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=18276)?

I was merely offering comradly advice by pointing out the choices the OP had; "dead end stalinism" or a glorious future in anarcho-squats.

You felt the need to swear.

[revolution inaction]

I was merely offering comradly advice by pointing out the choices the OP had; "dead end stalinism" or a glorious future in anarcho-squats.

You felt the need to swear.

how is swearing worse then blatantly lying with the sol purpose of pissing off anarchists?

[Barry Lyndon]

You're probably better off not going. The PSL is thoroughly opportunist and essentially runs on a platform of 'hate the rich!' I understand your 'revolutionary spirit' and willingness to get involved with a political organization, but I'd stay away from the PSL unless a perpetual anti-war protester is what you're interested in becoming.

Yeah, 'hate the rich!' hits a little close to home doesn't it. Not everyone can afford to go to graduate school for 11 years.

Join Platypus instead and be a perpetual pro-war apologist, so much better!

[Spawn of Stalin]

Which bit are you referring to?
The bit where you said I fail on every level. It might be a fair accusation to make but some clarification would be nice

[bricolage]

The bit where you said I fail on every level. It might be a fair accusation to make but some clarification would be nice

Eh? It was a response to manic expression not you.

[manic expression]

And actually now that I think about it it was a response to a British poster who is clearly not in the PSL. You fail on every level.
Oh, I see, you couldn't figure out that you were entering into a discussion about the PSL. Well, it's good to know your "stupid quip" wasn't directed toward the PSL at all, then. Carry on.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Eh? It was a response to manic expression not you.

Oh ok haha. I thought because you said you were responding to the British poster who isn't in PSL I thought you were addressing me, ok that makes sense:o
I wish I could join PSL though.:(

[MilitantWorker]

LOL!

I wouldn't let you go either...:laugh:

[bricolage]

Oh, I see, you couldn't figure out that you were entering into a discussion about the PSL. Well, it's good to know your "stupid quip" wasn't directed toward the PSL at all, then. Carry on.

Don't worry I would direct it towards the PSL too, I'm with Bordiga you are all gravediggers of the revolution.

[bricolage]

Oh ok haha. I thought because you said you were responding to the British poster who isn't in PSL I thought you were addressing me, ok that makes sense:o
I wish I could join PSL though.:(

No that was Bailey when he assumed all anarchists are squatters.

[manic expression]

Don't worry I would direct it towards the PSL too, I'm with Bordiga you are all gravediggers of the revolution.
But then again, you admitted you're completely clueless about the PSL, so any accusation you can make will be based on nothing but the thickest of ignorance. Have fun trying to get your foot out of your mouth. :lol:

[Kassad]

Don't worry I would direct it towards the PSL too, I'm with Bordiga you are all gravediggers of the revolution.

Boy, oh boy. You sure like to squirm after making stupid statements, don't you?

[bricolage]

But then again, you admitted you're completely clueless about the PSL, so any accusation you can make will be based on nothing but the thickest of ignorance. Have fun trying to get your foot out of your mouth. :lol:

Meh, I've seen enough of PSL posters on here, seen the way they carry themselves, the arguments they take, seen the historical tradition that you represent, read comments from posters that do know about the PSL and that I trust the views of and I've seen the remarkable similarity between PSL and certain left parties in my own country, to get enough of a picture. Sure I don't know much but I'm happy with what I do know, cheers.

[bricolage]

Boy, oh boy. You sure like to squirm after making stupid statements, don't you?

Wow, and such a well though out statement from you, quite surprising really it's not like you'd thank stupid statements such as 'Yeah, join a Anarchist group and spent the rest fo your life living in squats'... oh wait...

[Kassad]

Wow, and such a well though out statement from you, quite surprising really it's not like you'd thank stupid statements such as 'Yeah, join a Anarchist group and spent the rest fo your life living in squats'... oh wait...

Why would I need to formulate an elaborate rebuttal of your statements, or any kind of thought-out response whatsoever, when you obviously know absolutely nothing about my party? If you're happy with a very narrow perspective of what kind of work we do and what theoretical framework we're made up of, that's your choice. It seems to be the preferred path taken by opportunists these days...

[bricolage]

Why would I need to formulate an elaborate rebuttal of your statements, or any kind of thought-out response whatsoever, when you obviously know absolutely nothing about my party? If you're happy with a very narrow perspective of what kind of work we do and what theoretical framework we're made up of, that's your choice. It seems to be the preferred path taken by opportunists these days...

Dem ones.

[Kassad]

Dem ones.

Please don't spam. Consider this a verbal warning.

[Bitter Ashes]

Actualy, this has gone on for long enough. 48 hour timeout.

When the thread's unlocked again on Friday, please leave the sectarian BS behind everyone. As already pointed out, the OP is an adult and able to make his own descions for good or bad.

[black magick hustla]

I'm back living at my father's at the moment, and he has absolutly no control over me. I vanish in the middle of the night to go to my girl's house on a regular basis, and he never questions where I go or even care anymore. All I'm saying is you must be assertive in claiming your right to do what you want to do, especially if you're legally adult age and still being controlled by your parents.
And I hardly see how ''man up'' is sexist, please explain that to me.

what a rebel

[Bitter Ashes]

whoops. I forgot that I locked this. It's unlocked now. PLEASE be nice!

[son of man]

Lenin's Mom wouldn't let him go to revolutionary meetings either. But he just went.

[Il Medico]

Please don't spam. Consider this a verbal warning.
Kassad, unless the rules have changed since the bobkindles bullshit and no one remembered to tell the rest of us, you can't take administrative action against someone you are in an argument with.

[Robocommie]

The PSL could use an image of Jabba the Hutt fucking Hulk Hogan on a bed of nails for all I care, their politics would still be good.

Maybe even better.

[Bitter Ashes]

Kassad, unless the rules have changed since the bobkindles bullshit and no one remembered to tell the rest of us, you can't take administrative action against someone you are in an argument with.
I'm certainly not taking sides here, but this stops now. I've only just reopened this thread. Please don't make me lock it again and that means, Kassad too. Don't respond either please. Take it to PM's, or whatever. I never thought we'd get a flamewar on DIY...

[Il Medico]

I'm certainly not taking sides here, but this stops now. I've only just reopened this thread. Please don't make me lock it again and that means, Kassad too. Don't respond either please. Take it to PM's, or whatever. I never thought we'd get a flamewar on DIY...
I am not taking sides either, but a stupid little thing like this is what got BobK demodded, don't want to see that happen to Kassad.

As for a flamewar, Revleft: Pushing the boundaries of pettiness

[Bitter Ashes]

Let me spell it out then. Stay on topic, or the lock hammer comes down for good.

[Bitter Ashes]

The OP has asked that the thread to be locked.