Old news, but left turn in Russia's KPRF?

[Die Neue Zeit]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7116877.stm


The Communist Party of the Russian Federation campaigns for nationalisation of strategically important industries, a comprehensive social welfare network, economic diversification to reduce dependency on oil revenues, the break-up of Nato, and constitutional reform to devolve power to workers' councils.

Is it just me, or whatever happened to their red-brown opportunism? Or have they gotten the sense to stand apart from nationalist and liberal forces in the country (especially the former except for Stalin rehab jobs)?

[GreenCommunism]

every party in russia is very nationalistic. if you think red-brown is red nationalism i think you're wrong, its a temporary alliance between fascist and communist. the communist party is full of shit anyway, they cooperate with the government that doesn't even show up on a public television debate. the elections are rigged etcetera.

[gorillafuck]

every party in russia is very nationalistic.
That's a pretty sweeping statement.

[GreenCommunism]

well maybe it is, perhaps not all the small parties but all the major ones, there's putin's party which is nationalist, the fascist and the communist party. the communist party is nationalist since it stands for nostalgia of an era. beside economic crisises have a way to stir up nationalism. since the failed 1990s reforms there is no credibility in russia for liberalism.

something interesting about russia's fascist and xenophobic movement is that they want the independance of certain regions of russia in order to have a 'pure' homeland.

i don't remember who said that all major political parties in russia are nationalist , but i think he was a socialist.

[FSL]

the communist party is nationalist since it stands for nostalgia of an era.


And what a great era it was.

However, I'm guessing an eco-anarchist would probably regard all norwegian parties as nationalistic too. So not much to say.

[Crux]

And what a great era it was.

However, I'm guessing an eco-anarchist would probably regard all norwegian parties as nationalistic too. So not much to say.
Don't confuse nostalgia with advocating socialism.

[FSL]

Don't confuse nostalgia with advocating socialism.


Nostalgia for full employment is advocating socialism. Had there been a succesful communist revolution here overthrown later on by the bourgeoisie, I'd certainly be nostalgic.

[Crux]

Nostalgia for full employment is advocating socialism. Had there been a succesful communist revolution here overthrown later on by the bourgeoisie, I'd certainly be nostalgic.
Not necessarily, the far right racist sweden democrats, for example, claim to stand in the old school social democratic tradition of wellfare, and they reference the 50's and 60's as a golden era of wellfare and without immigration. All bs of course.
The dominant tendencies in the russian CP are at best quasi-social democratic, at worst nationalist and anti-semitic. The Communist Worker's Party of Russia seems better, at least as far as I can tell.

[FSL]

The Communist Worker's Party of Russia seems better, at least as far as I can tell.


I'll agree on that, but I've heard everything else (about CPRF being nationalist and all) a thousand times and still don't buy it. They have every reason to be nostalgic of Soviet Union as racists have every reason to feel nostalgic of some "immigration-free" era.

[Red Commissar]

It is an interesting turn, but I will only give them the benefit of a doubt once they putting up such a meek opposition to Putin and United Russia. Half the time they seem to be jumping on the bandwagon with them. (I suppose this Red-Brown deal users are referring to).

Regardless, interesting bit to put into their party platform. If only they could get rid of some of the unsavory parts of their party...

[Crux]

I'll agree on that, but I've heard everything else (about CPRF being nationalist and all) a thousand times and still don't buy it. They have every reason to be nostalgic of Soviet Union as racists have every reason to feel nostalgic of some "immigration-free" era.
I don't think you get the point, basing your politics purely on nostalgia does not socialism make. As little as the sweden democrats actually have anything in common with the old school social democrats of that era (which by the way was not immigration free and free of culturally based conflicts with those immigrants and the majority population) as little does the CPRF's nostalgia make them genuine socialists.

[FSL]

basing your politics purely on nostalgia



That is not a fact but an accusation, and an unfounded one at that.

[Die Neue Zeit]

"You, Mr Putin, have been determining the domestic and foreign policy of this country for 10 years. In 10 years, the Soviet Union developed entire sectors of industry and reached nuclear parity with the West. But what is happening in today's Russia... is this not a national disgrace?" (Gennady Zyuganov (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gmoQDWjqAhXzti0_TNcS04dQaPKA))