Nepal: Maoists preparing for 'decisive war'

[Saorsa]

Maoist training for ''decisive war'' on

Last Updated : 2010-04-19 1:05 AM


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Min Kumar Dahal
SINDHULI: Unified CPN-Maoist has begun imparting training to its cadres in several districts for the decisive movement, saying the party headquarters has directed district leaders to do so.

The aim is to prepare a paramilitary force enlisting cadres from sister organisations, including YCL, for the decisive movement. According to Basanta, Sindhuli in-charge of the UCPN-M, the party has begun providing basic political and military training to 500 teachers and 3,900 youths from 13 ilakas and one municipality of the district. Basanta said the training was being imparted in all ilakas since Saturday and 300 cadres were enlisted for training today in Karkare of Kamalamai municipality.

At least 15 to 25 teachers from each resource centre took part in the ilaka-level training that is being imparted by YCL commanders.

According to Tamsaling state committee member Prajwal, the participants were being taught basic skills of self-defence, besides indoctrinating them with Maoist political ideology. Durgaraj Devkota, a member of the All Nepal Teachers’ Organisation, said the aim was not to create anarchy but to defend the party by intellectual and military means in case any attempt was made to suppress their movement to pressure the government to draft the constitution on time.

Devkota added that the party had ordered to ready intellectual and military combatants in 75 districts.

Rajan Dahal, Sindhuli assistant in-charge of the Maoists, said, “We’ll close all academic institutions from the third week of May to press for drafting the constitution on schedule.”

Beni Prasad Gautam, a participant in the training, said, “We have received training in basic military skills. We have not been told when the decisive movement will begin.” Sujina Tamang, another participant, said the youths carrying a ghangaru baton and khukuri had been receiving training since early in the morning.

According a Maoist leader, the trainees will be taken to Chitwan on May 1 and if the constitution were not drafted by May 28, all the trained cadres across the nation would be sent to Kathmandu to press the government

to promulgate people’s constitution from the streets. He said the Constutuent Assembly building would be seized on May 28 and the constitution would be promulgated at any cost on that day.

The Maoists have also been training its cadres in Morang, Sunsari, Nawalparasi and Dadeldhura districts for the decisive ‘war’. In Nawalparasi, YCL begun the training in a municipality and 73 VDCs of the district on Friday. YCL district in-charge Padam KC ‘Jujharu’ said nearly 1,000 cadres were imparting training in self-defence and physical fitness to the participants all over the district. In Sahajpur area of Dadeldhura too, the Maoists have been imparting training to YCL cadres and other youths from Dadeldhura, Baitadi, Bajhang, Darchula, Doti and Achham districts.



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[The Vegan Marxist]

This is great news, though why have a thread all to itself, knowing that there are plenty of anti-Maoists in this forum, & not in the News from Nepal section?

[Saorsa]

More people will read it here than in the News from Nepal section. And while there are plenty of people here who refuse to support a workers and peasants revolution because it happens to be led by nasty Maoists, people need to be aware of what's happening.

The people are going to hit the streets in the next month, and the Maoists are preparing for war. This is some heavy shit.

[ZombieGrits]

Best wishes to our Nepali comrades. I'm no Maoist, but I don't think the UCPN-M is strictly-speaking Maoist either. And in any case the Nepali movement from what i've read is devoted to democracy

Do you think the maobadi will be forced to use this military training against the state? It seems like the state doesn't have much choice but to obey the will of the people, but you never know just what lengths they might go to to slow the advance of socialism

[The Vegan Marxist]

My support goes out to them. If I could be in Nepal right now, I'd be fighting beside them..this isn't just some future for the Nepalese people, but is the future we all wish & hope for the rest of the world.

[x371322]

I'm not a Maoist either, but I wish them great success. Break out the cigars boys, we're about to witness the first communist revolution of the 21st century!

[The Vegan Marxist]

I'm not a Maoist either, but I wish them great success. Break out the cigars boys, we're about to witness the first communist revolution of the 21st century!

I'll lace the cigars :thumbup1:

[red cat]

It is nice to see comrades awaiting insurrections so eagerly; but what you expect might not happen. The UCPN(M) is not likely to give out the dates beforehand when it really launches urban insurrections.

[Invincible Summer]

It is nice to see comrades awaiting insurrections so eagerly; but what you expect might not happen. The UCPN(M) is not likely to give out the dates beforehand when it really launches urban insurrections.

Indeed. That would be a pretty bad strategic move

[The Vegan Marxist]

It is nice to see comrades awaiting insurrections so eagerly; but what you expect might not happen. The UCPN(M) is not likely to give out the dates beforehand when it really launches urban insurrections.

Though they never clarified when they'd attack. They just said what the government must do if they don't want them to attack. If nothing is done, then they will attack, but when exactly that might be is unclear.

[Sir Comradical]

Hopefully they do it properly this time.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Hopefully they do it properly this time.

When was it not properly? They've made it so far, from so little to so much.

[Sir Comradical]

When was it not properly? They've made it so far, from so little to so much.

Don't get me wrong I'm very supportive of the Nepali Maoists, but the democracy movement existed within the framework of a parliamentary regime and it maintained the existence of other bourgeois parties as well. Hopefully this time it's a proper overthrow, along with the formation of workers councils etc.

Maybe this was their long-term strategy all along? Either way, good luck to them.

[red cat]

They never claimed that they overthrew feudalism or imperialism. The UCPN(M) maintains that Nepal is still a semi feudal semi colonial country.

[ZombieGrits]

I'm reading 'Ten Days That Shook the World' right now. If you've not heard of it it's an eyewitness account of the October Revolution by an American radical journalist.

Anyway, I was just noticing that there's lots of parallels between the Russian and Nepali revolutions thus far. 2006 was the maobadi's February 1917; hopefully we'll see their October within the year ;)

My main concern is the possibility of another civil war... chances seem slight, owing to Nepal's class composition, but that slight chance still worries me

[The Vegan Marxist]

I'm reading 'Ten Days That Shook the World' right now. If you've not heard of it it's an eyewitness account of the October Revolution by an American radical journalist.

Anyway, I was just noticing that there's lots of parallels between the Russian and Nepali revolutions thus far. 2006 was the maobadi's February 1917; hopefully we'll see their October within the year ;)

My main concern is the possibility of another civil war... chances seem slight, owing to Nepal's class composition, but that slight chance still worries me

I agree, but it wouldn't be much of a civil war would it? Given that the Nepalese Maoists have the majority in Nepal.

[Spawn of Stalin]

The next People's Republic, perhaps? This is good news anyway, I don't think the NA could stand up to the Maoists with the kind of support they enjoy these days

[danyboy27]

i am sceptic, but i wait and see.

Something similar happened in vietnam and it ended up badly.

but hey, who know!

[We Shall Rise Again]

its a clear signal the maoist's are intent that the urban revolt will be the final and victorious stage of the revolution in Nepal.

Another fine example of the insperation that can be taken from the activities of the cadres in Nepal.

[Glenn Beck]

Something similar happened in vietnam and it ended up badly.

Well you know, military occupation by two separate global empires certainly didn't help any

I think at this point in time intervention is not in the cards. The U.S. has its hands full with Afghanistan and Iran, the only feasible proxy for a war with Nepal is India which has its hands full with the Naxalites. A Maoist ruled Nepal right next door to the massive Naxalite insurgency could make life very interesting in that part of Asia.

[Bonobo1917]

Hopefully this time it's a proper overthrow, along with the formation of workers councils etc.

I don't think that building workers' councils, or encouraging their development, are part of the strategy of the Maoists, unfortunately.

[A Proletarian Manifesto]

I think if the Maoists succeed it will lead to a more globally aware state, and maybe it will have dire consequences for the capitalists of today. This subversion may lead to other smaller (and possibley larger scale) subversions if they pull it off. If so, tip of the hat and a thumbs up to them.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I think if the Maoists succeed it will lead to a more globally aware state, and maybe it will have dire consequences for the capitalists of today. This subversion may lead to other smaller (and possibley larger scale) subversions if they pull it off. If so, tip of the hat and a thumbs up to them.

You've also got to keep in mind that they're right next to India, in which revolutionary warfare is being waged over there as well by the Naxalites (Indian Maoists). So if we see a Communist Nepal, run by the Maoists, then we'll be seeing something VERY interesting taking place in those areas.

[kasama-rl]

Jed brandt (http://jedbrandt.net) is in nepal and says he will start to be posting a series of interviews and reports soon.

[red cat]

I don't think that building workers' councils, or encouraging their development, are part of the strategy of the Maoists, unfortunately.

Why do you think so ?

[bailey_187]

Why do you think so ?

trotskyites dont think brown people can make socialism


(troll for a troll)

[The Vegan Marxist]

trotskyites dont think brown people can make socialism


(troll for a troll)

Watch out on saying Trotskyite instead of Trotskyist. Rosa might go after you with her "what tribe is this?" rhetoric :rolleyes:

[red cat]

Yes, that is when she forgets anti-dialectics and sides with Trotskyites. :)

[danyboy27]

Well you know, military occupation by two separate global empires certainly didn't help any

I think at this point in time intervention is not in the cards. The U.S. has its hands full with Afghanistan and Iran, the only feasible proxy for a war with Nepal is India which has its hands full with the Naxalites. A Maoist ruled Nepal right next door to the massive Naxalite insurgency could make life very interesting in that part of Asia.

sure but the indian military is not an easy target, its a well equiped, well trained military machine, you will need more than that to bring it down, if someone can bring it down.

I think the indian governement do just like the colombian governement by not completly wiping out those group, and i wouldnt be surprised that they deliberartly let the Naxalites give a strong blow to their troop to justify a scorched earth policy or some kind of deal with the us to get their hand on some high tech anti-terror stuff like the predator drone.

Understimating the Indian governement and the indian army is, i think a big error.

that why i said lets wait and see how it goes before to jump on conclusion and result.

[The Vegan Marxist]

sure but the indian military is not an easy target, its a well equiped, well trained military machine, you will need more than that to bring it down, if someone can bring it down.

I think the indian governement do just like the colombian governement by not completly wiping out those group, and i wouldnt be surprised that they deliberartly let the Naxalites give a strong blow to their troop to justify a scorched earth policy or some kind of deal with the us to get their hand on some high tech anti-terror stuff like the predator drone.

Understimating the Indian governement and the indian army is, i think a big error.

that why i said lets wait and see how it goes before to jump on conclusion and result.

Who's underestimating the Indian Government? Anyone who thinks that way towards any higher power is being one-sided on the issue. We just feel the Naxalites are under a great run in which they are substantially far more powerful than before & could quite possibly overthrow the Indian Government. Though, I think it'll eventually come down to where they might need the help of the Nepalese Maoists in order to gain full control. Which is why the outcome of May 28th is going to be a HUGE deal on what takes place for the future of South Asian providences.

[Uppercut]

What's going on in Nepal is very intriguing to me. I don't know everything about the movement, but yeah, it'll be interesting to see the world's reaction if the Maoists establish a true socialist state in Nepal, or even better, in India.

You have two nations undergoing revolution right next to eachother, and as far as I know, things are going well for the Communists in both countries. Maybe we'll see some internationalism popping up with either of the Party's victories. Who knows? Hoping the revolution will spread to others nations as well, possibly Cambodia, Burma, Bengladesh, etc.. We'll just have to wait and see.

And I apologize that I don't have much to add to this thread. I know I'm just stating the obvious in this post.

[Sir Comradical]

I don't think that building workers' councils, or encouraging their development, are part of the strategy of the Maoists, unfortunately.

Just got off the phone with Cde Prachanda. Yessir, workers councils are definitely on the agenda.

[Sir Comradical]

What's going on in Nepal is very intriguing to me. I don't know everything about the movement, but yeah, it'll be interesting to see the world's reaction if the Maoists establish a true socialist state in Nepal, or even better, in India.

You have two nations undergoing revolution right next to eachother, and as far as I know, things are going well for the Communists in both countries. Maybe we'll see some internationalism popping up with either of the Party's victories. Who knows? Hoping the revolution will spread to others nations as well, possibly Cambodia, Burma, Bengladesh, etc.. We'll just have to wait and see.

And I apologize that I don't have much to add to this thread. I know I'm just stating the obvious in this post.

As for internationalism, the regimes in Pakistan and Bangladesh are just as rotten, it's time for reunification!

[Bonobo1917]

Why I think workers' councils are not part of Maoist strategy? Well, I haven't seen many workers' councils during 10 years of 'people's war'. And during the uprising of april 2006, I haven't noticed many initiatives from the Maoists in that direction either.It may well be that workers councils are mentioned in Pachandra's texts. But strategy should be shown in practice, especially when you are as influential as the Maoist in Nepal clearly are.

[red cat]

Why I think workers' councils are not part of Maoist strategy? Well, I haven't seen many workers' councils during 10 years of 'people's war'. And during the uprising of april 2006, I haven't noticed many initiatives from the Maoists in that direction either.It may well be that workers councils are mentioned in Pachandra's texts. But strategy should be shown in practice, especially when you are as influential as the Maoist in Nepal clearly are.

How much have you really seen of Nepal or Maoist practice in any third world country ?

[kasama-rl]

Jed's report on the intensifying revolutionary crisis is now online:

http://kasamaproject.org/2010/04/21/may-first-high-noon-in-nepal/

the opening quote mobilizing for May First is a showstopper:

“You must come to Kathmandu with shroud cloth wrapped around your heads and flour in your bags. It will be our last battle. If we succeed, we survive, else it will be the end of our party.”
— General Secretary Badal of the Unified Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)

[Sendo]

I'll tell you their first sin, they're follishly trying revolution in 2010 Nepal and not 1917 Russia. True revolutionaries move to Moscow and make time machines.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I'll tell you their first sin, they're follishly trying revolution in 2010 Nepal and not 1917 Russia. True revolutionaries move to Moscow and make time machines.

lol, please don't turn this into a chuck norris-like type of jokes :lol:

[Sir Comradical]

trotskyites dont think brown people can make socialism


(troll for a troll)

An uncle of mine in India said the same thing once. True story.

[ZombieGrits]

As for internationalism, the regimes in Pakistan and Bangladesh are just as rotten, it's time for reunification!

Definitely! The way I see it internationalism wouldn't have such a tough time in South Asia as it has in other places in the past, since all of the S. Asian countries are already pretty multi-ethnic, multi-lingual, etc. That being said, religion seems to be a more clear dividing line over there than ethnicity... of course as godless commies that's not an issue :D

[Sir Comradical]

Definitely! The way I see it internationalism wouldn't have such a tough time in South Asia as it has in other places in the past, since all of the S. Asian countries are already pretty multi-ethnic, multi-lingual, etc. That being said, religion seems to be a more clear dividing line over there than ethnicity... of course as godless commies that's not an issue :D

In India, every institution in the country is full of counter-revolutionary elements - the police force, the courts, state/central government politicians and of course the military - so some massive purges would be absolutely necessary. The leaders of fascist Hindu-nationalist groups and the leaders of Islamic fundamentalist groups will also have to be exterminated.

Point is, if we really want a revolution, we should understand clearly what this exactly means.

[red cat]

In India, every institution in the country is full of counter-revolutionary elements - the police force, the courts, state/central government politicians and of course the military - so some massive purges would be absolutely necessary. The leaders of fascist Hindu-nationalist groups and the leaders of Islamic fundamentalist groups will also have to be exterminated.

Point is, if we really want a revolution, we should understand clearly what this exactly means.

As soon as the revolution in India matures, these elements will form the CPI(T). I can clearly foresee it.

[The Vegan Marxist]

As soon as the revolution in India matures, these elements will form the CPI(T). I can clearly foresee it.

Sorry, just woke up, but CPI(T)?

[Sir Comradical]

Sorry, just woke up, but CPI(T)?

Communist Party of India (Trotskyist)

[Barry Lyndon]

As soon as the revolution in India matures, these elements will form the CPI(T). I can clearly foresee it.

Can you breath for ten minutes without uttering some hysterical anti-Trotskyist smear? Or is your entire political identity defined by choking on Josef Stalin?
I mean, I support the Naxalites too but its clear that if they do take power their priority is going to be getting rid of Islamic fundamentalists and Hindu fascists, not your phantom 'Trotskyist' threat.

[Sir Comradical]

As soon as the revolution in India matures, these elements will form the CPI(T). I can clearly foresee it.

What Barry Lyndon said, the revolution has far larger fish to fry than going after Trots.

[The Vegan Marxist]

What Barry Lyndon said, the revolution has far larger fish to fry than going after Trots.

I'd have to agree too. Trotskyists are not the threat, if any, would rather be a nuisance. The Islamic Fundamentalists are of a much larger threat.

[red cat]

Quite a few of these Hindu or Islamic fascists deviate from the laws of Hinduism or Islam in their personal lives. They are not religious fundamentalists themselves; they are cunning hardcore reactionaries who use religion to keep the masses divided and subordinated.

In India, the political line put forward by certain "Marxist-Leninist" or "Maoist" parties is essentially Trotskyist. As the Maoist revolution moves forwards and exposes the politics of these parties and religious fascists, they will need to disguise themselves under some pseudo-leftist line and attack the revolution from the left, because any openly rightist approach will be instantly crushed by the class conscious masses. For this the most favourable political and historical line is that of Trotskyism, under whose banner many of these old reactionaries will regroup.

In Nepal there has been such an initiative already, as we saw in some other thread that I can't remember. There they are using the internet to slander the Maoist revolution.

[Barry Lyndon]

In India, the political line put forward by certain "Marxist-Leninist" or "Maoist" parties is essentially Trotskyist. As the Maoist revolution moves forwards and exposes the politics of these parties and religious fascists, they will need to disguise themselves under some pseudo-leftist line and attack the revolution from the left, because any openly rightist approach will be instantly crushed by the class conscious masses. For this the most favourable political and historical line is that of Trotskyism, under whose banner many of these old reactionaries will regroup.

You know, I have many issues with Trotskyists, but aligning themselves with capitalists and/or fascists and helping slaughter large numbers of their 'comrades' is not one of them. That would be Stalinists. I don't recall it being Trotskyists who allied with Pakistan along with the Nixon administration in 1971 and armed the dictator Yahya Khan as he slaughtered millions of Bengalis, many of them corageous Maoist fighters.

My hope for the Naxalites is that they learn from the mistakes and crimes of the past and don't repeat the idiocy you have just espoused.

[red cat]

You know, I have many issues with Trotskyists, but aligning themselves with capitalists and/or fascists and helping slaughter large numbers of their 'comrades' is not one of them. That would be Stalinists. I don't recall it being Trotskyists who allied with Pakistan along with the Nixon administration in 1971 and armed the dictator Yahya Khan as he slaughtered millions of Bengalis, many of them corageous Maoist fighters.

On the contrary, the main conflict of the then Maoist party of Bangladesh was with Mujib's army.


My hope for the Naxalites is that they learn from the mistakes and crimes of the past and don't repeat the idiocy you have just espoused.They will disappoint you then. The CPI(Maoist) upholds Stalin and maintains the Stalinist line concerning Trotsky.

By the way, you should take a look at what that newly founded Trotskyite organization in Nepal has to say.

[t.shonku]

It would be great if our Nepalese comrades win and seize power.That country has been exploited by Delhi babus for a long time.But what I fear is that India won't let Nepal go away from its control that easily.RAW ( india's equivalent for CIA) will pull strings,RAW would take help of Nepalese army and royalty to stop the revolution.If you people remember few years ago then national security adviser of India Narayanan expressed his concerns when Maoists came to power in Nepal.QUITE FRANKLY SPEAKING DELHI BABUS CONSIDERS NEPAL AS IT'S HEREDITARY PROPERTY.

[CHE with an AK]

Hopefully sectarianism won't derail the Nepalese Maoists.