Children of Millennium

[anticap]

Does anyone remember these kooks (or were any of you OIers members)? This was literally a religion created by right-"Libertarians" and "Objectivists" who relied heavily on racial IQ test results for their philosophical positions and enthusiastically advocated eugenics to stop the alleged "degeneration" of the human genome before it was "too late" (read: "too brown"). If I had to coin a phrase to describe them, perhaps it would be "Libertarian Racialism." It was seriously creepy stuff, made all the more so by the fact that the writers were very intelligent and skilled at persuasion.

They appear to be defunct, but their site can still be browsed via the Internet Archive (http://web.archive.org/web/*/childrenofmillennium.org). Unfortunately, I can't access their primary (and most horrifying) theoretical document, known as "The Book." IA allows webmasters to opt out of being archived, and it appears that these kooks have selectively blocked this Book of Millennium (http://web.archive.org/web/20071109014319/http://www.childrenofmillennium.org/philosophy/millennium.htm) (unless it's available in an older archive; I'll keep looking). If, by chance, anyone happened to download this page (http://www.childrenofmillennium.org/philosophy/millennium.htm) while the site was still live, or if you happened to archive it elsewhere (e.g., webcitation.org), please pass it along!

[LeftSideDown]

Does anyone remember these kooks (or were any of you OIers members)? This was literally a religion created by right-"Libertarians" and "Objectivists" who relied heavily on racial IQ test results for their philosophical positions and enthusiastically advocated eugenics to stop the alleged "degeneration" of the human genome before it was "too late" (read: "too brown"). If I had to coin a phrase to describe them, perhaps it would be "Libertarian Racialism." It was seriously creepy stuff, made all the more so by the fact that the writers were very intelligent and skilled at persuasion.

They appear to be defunct, but their site can still be browsed via the Internet Archive (http://web.archive.org/web/*/childrenofmillennium.org). Unfortunately, I can't access their primary (and most horrifying) theoretical document, known as "The Book." IA allows webmasters to opt out of being archived, and it appears that these kooks have selectively blocked this Book of Millennium (http://web.archive.org/web/20071109014319/http://www.childrenofmillennium.org/philosophy/millennium.htm) (unless it's available in an older archive; I'll keep looking). If, by chance, anyone happened to download this page (http://www.childrenofmillennium.org/philosophy/millennium.htm) while the site was still live, or if you happened to archive it elsewhere (e.g., webcitation.org), please pass it along!

Never heard of it.

[Havet]

Tell me, anticap, did something happen? 3 threads regarding objectivism/miseans/right-libertarians in such a short amount of time is not normal.

Did you get beaten bad in the Mises forums?

[Dimentio]

Children of the Millennium sounds pretty much like a typical rightist extropian organisation, which most likely is composed of bored high school kids. I do not think they have too much to do with mainstream libertarianism, which more seems to idealise the aesthetics of 19th century America than some sort of fascist futurism.

[anticap]

Tell me, anticap, did something happen? 3 threads regarding objectivism/miseans/right-libertarians in such a short amount of time is not normal.

Did you get beaten bad in the Mises forums?

Nah, the Misesites exercised their rights both as lessees of The Planet (http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=mises.org)'s private property (servers) and as sublessees of the bandwidth (utilizing technology, incidentally, developed in the public sector), and silenced my dissent by evicting me ages ago (complete with misinformed parting jabs that I was on "their" property and that I should have thought of that before being so rude as to ask them to explain a rather unfortunate passage by Mr. Rothbard, which, incidentally, they were never able to do).

I'm just on furlough from wage-slavery, the weather sucks this weekend, and I was curious what ever happened to those "Millennium" kooks.

[Havet]

Nah, the Misesites exercised their bourgeois rights both as lessees of The Planet (http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=mises.org)'s private property (servers) and as sublessees of the bandwidth (utilizing technology, incidentally, developed in the public sector), and silenced my dissent by evicting me ages ago (complete with misinformed parting jabs that I was on "their" property and that I should have thought of that before being so rude as to ask them to explain a rather unfortunate passage by Mr. Rothbard, which, incidentally, they were never able to do).

I'm just on furlough from wage-slavery, the weather sucks this weekend, and I was curious what ever happened to those "Millennium" kooks.

Sounds fair enough. Just forget about them, from what you describe they are not worth the effort.

[anticap]

Sounds fair enough. Just forget about them, from what you describe they are not worth the effort.

They're not, in my experience. It's a shame too, because I think it would be interesting to converse with them, but the lifespan of those who don't share their views tends to be very short. I'm particularly interested in drilling down to the core beliefs held by each "side," as it were, because I think that's where the substantive discussion can take place. I don't care so much about particular state policies or other such minutiae.

Anyway, none of that seems possible, so I have forgotten them in the sense that I no longer seek them out; but this is a leftist site, so they've come to me, and I'm more than happy to taunt them as long as they plan to taunt us with their repetitious misunderstandings of everything we as leftists stand for.

Why, aren't you a member there? You make it sound like you're unfamiliar with their ways. Anyone who's spent any time there will have encountered Knight of BAAWA, who is the most belligerent netizen I've ever encountered. I've never seen him post anything the least bit substantive; his role there appears to be "attack dog" (and he does his job well). Stripping him of his mod powers would do wonders for the atmosphere there.

[Havet]

Why, aren't you a member there? You make it sound like you're unfamiliar with their ways. Anyone who's spent any time there will have encountered Knight of BAAWA, who is the most belligerent netizen I've ever encountered. I've never seen him post anything the least bit substantive; his role there appears to be "attack dog" (and he does his job well). Stripping him of his mod powers would do wonders for the atmosphere there.

No, i'm not a member there. That is why I am unfamiliar with how they treat their members. The only right-libertarian forum I ever went to is FreeTalkLive, but they don't ban you just because you disagree. They even let you own threads!

[LeftSideDown]

No, i'm not a member there. That is why I am unfamiliar with how they treat their members. The only right-libertarian forum I ever went to is FreeTalkLive, but they don't ban you just because you disagree. They even let you own threads!

Woah woah woah. With that ownership you're probably exploiting some one!!11!!!1 And free thought? Not needed in Communist society! They have people to think for you! Isn't that nice?