The International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam

[hardlinecommunist]

hey i was just surfing the net and i just came across this website for this party called the International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam the website address is as follows http;//proletarianislam.wordpress.com/ what does everybody thank about this party they seem to be an Islamic Marxist Leninist Maoist Party following the line of Sultan Galiev

[Q]

International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam... Try say that five times fast!

Anyway, the blog is 4 days old. It looks like an internet grouping to me. Also, interesting point that the blog is in English and not Arabic as one would expect for a "pan-Islamic party".

[DecDoom]

That's a redundant name for a party. Why not "International Pan Islamic Communist Party" or "International Communist Party of Proletarian Islam"?

[danyboy27]

pan islamic.....:(

[Black Sheep]

Islam is in the name.
Thanks, but no.

Now back off please. :)

[Leo]

I sincerely and genuinely hope this "party" is a joke.

[hardlinecommunist]

it looks like that they are real

[Q]

it looks like that they are real

On what basis do you conclude that? A few posts?

[hardlinecommunist]

they updated the site yesterday with a Lenin statement

[Across The Street]

They declare April Saddam Hussein Appreciation month?
What in the fuck
It's a crock of shit

[gorillafuck]

I think this is a joke.

[Q]

A Teaparty sense of humor on both the left and the Islamist movement perhaps?

[hardlinecommunist]

we will all see over time were this party goes

[The Ungovernable Farce]

hey i was just surfing the net and i just created this website for this party called the International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam the website address is as follows http;//proletarianislam.wordpress.com/ what does everybody thank about this party they seem to be an Islamic Marxist Leninist Maoist Party following the line of Sultan Galiev
Fixed your post.

[hardlinecommunist]

Fixed your post. really

[Bonobo1917]

I don't know whether this is real, or,more likely,a joke (maybe to poke fun at leftists enthusiastically supporting Hamas, Hezbollah etc.). Whatever is the case, I read a few parts and it made me laugh, it is, let's say, a bit over the top...

[Sir Comradical]

Call me old fashioned, but religion and Marxism are totally incompatible.

[9]

Twenty dollars says the OP is the one who created the thing in the first place.

[Kléber]

MIM broke up when they ditched Stalin in favor of Sultan-Galiev, so maybe this is one of the lackluster fragments of that organization, although they still uphold Stalin as a Great Warlord. I notice they are conspicuously absent on the fate of Sultan-Galiev.

There is also some NOI ideology in there, about the "Asiatic original man" and all that

Let's give the ICIPPI credit for having the gall to put together a syncretic tankie jihadism that is probably the most offensive ideology comprehensible by a modern american bourgeois. That, and for writing some of the longest sentences in human history.

I would like to know where the ICIPPI stands on the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan.

[9]

MIM broke up when they ditched Stalin in favor of Sultan-Galiev, so maybe this is one of the lackluster fragments of that organization...


I hope so, if only for the lulz:



Originally Posted by wikipedia
The Maoist Internationalist Movement (MIM) was a revolutionary communist organization based primarily in the United States. [...] MIM listed Los Angeles, California as its main headquarters, with its primary publication, MIM Notes, based in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

[...]

MIM was originally founded as the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement in 1983 from a group called RADACADS (for "RADical ACADemics") at Harvard/Radcliffe University.

[AK]

Seems like they didn't pay attention to Marx when he said

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

[Communist Pear]

Most of their posts are only one sentence long. And most of those sentences are around 450 words long. What the fuck.

[hardlinecommunist]

Seems like they didn't pay attention to Marx when he said
they had a post on Marx today

[AK]

they had a post on Marx today
So what? They didn't pay attention to Marx on religion, did they?

[hardlinecommunist]

So what? They didn't pay attention to Marx on religion, did they? That depends on how one reads Marx.

[Qayin]

That depends on how one reads Marx.

Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man—state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion. Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

-Marx

[Lenina Rosenweg]

This outfit is "officially" non-Marxist (not that they could be regarded as Marxist in any sense anyway)


Karl Marx contribute much to revolutionary theory with his theories of dialectical and historical materialism the International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam rejects the atheism and Eurocentricism of Marxism. we further believe that the world is now in the post Marxist era and that old school Marxism-Leninism is dead and can not come back to life due to its geographical historical and ideological limitations the Islamic Socialism and Communism of the Holy Quran and Islamic tradition and history is superior to Marxism-Leninism. but our Party does acknowledge the progressive historical social role that Karl Marx a

This is either an MIM spinoff or a bored guy and his laptop at Starbucks somewhere.

[pastradamus]

So what? They didn't pay attention to Marx on religion, did they?

Not to agree with the original poster but evidently you didnt pay much attention to Marx as you've already "misquoted" (well in my mad opinion anyway) :D him. This is the real quote (you made the muchly atheist propagandised version):


"Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people." -Marx

*I hate to be a bit of a bastard on this but I strongly believe that the first line puts the whole quote in context. That said, the so-called "party" we are talking about in this debate are clearly idiots and not at all socialists.

[hardlinecommunist]

the website of the IPICPPI has been quite for a few days

[Sir Comradical]

Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man—state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion. Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

-Marx

"To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions."

QFT!

[Lenina Rosenweg]

the website of the IPICPPI has been quite for a few days

Yes, and on behalf of everyone here at Revleft, I can say their updates have been sorely missed.

[hardlinecommunist]

Yes, and on behalf of everyone here at Revleft, I can say their updates have been sorely missed. Well they updated yesterday i think.

[Dimentio]

hey i was just surfing the net and i just came across this website for this party called the International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam the website address is as follows http;//proletarianislam.wordpress.com/ what does everybody thank about this party they seem to be an Islamic Marxist Leninist Maoist Party following the line of Sultan Galiev

I do not trust wordpress parties. I imagine some guy believing that he could just start a party by opening a blog. An internet Napoleon.

[hardlinecommunist]

I do not trust wordpress parties. I imagine some guy believing that he could just start a party by opening a blog. An internet Napoleon. wordpress has changed the world it seems.

[hardlinecommunist]

The IPICPPI seems to uphold Ho Chi Minh and they also seem to uphold Vietnam. to be a Socialist State.

[pastradamus]

The IPICPPI seems to uphold Ho Chi Minh and they also seem to uphold Vietnam. to be a Socialist State.

No self-respecting socialist would call Vietnamese Children sewing soccer balls for Nike the measure of a Socialist state.

[hardlinecommunist]

No self-respecting socialist would call Vietnamese Children sewing soccer balls for Nike the measure of a Socialist state.
Vietnam may not be perfect but is is a true Socialist State its people live a lot better then in a lot of the neighboring Pro Western Capitalist countries.

[tellyontellyon]

They sound like a confused bunch? But I think it would be better to engage with them in a friendly way rather than reject them out of hand.
You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

If they are working class then we should talk with them rather than attacking them over their religion first off.
Either they will move towards a truly socialist position or they won't, but if we wait for a fully atheist working class as a precondition for a socialist transformation then we are perhaps making our task a little more difficult...?

Just so long as they just happen to have a religion, rather than their religion itself being their political cause, or a substitute for real change then we may have a chance.

We should never stop talking to working class people and trying to win them over with a bit of tact, even if they hold reactionary views.

Are they interested in a material and socialist transformation of society? Or do they want an Islamic society without troublesome capitalists? More 'anti-capitalist' in a reactionary way?

[hardlinecommunist]

They sound like a confused bunch? But I think it would be better to engage with them in a friendly way rather than reject them out of hand.
You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

If they are working class then we should talk with them rather than attacking them over their religion first off.
Either they will move towards a truly socialist position or they won't, but if we wait for a fully atheist working class as a precondition for a socialist transformation then we are perhaps making our task a little more difficult...?

Just so long as they just happen to have a religion, rather than their religion itself being their political cause, or a substitute for real change then we may have a chance.

We should never stop talking to working class people and trying to win them over with a bit of tact, even if they hold reactionary views.

Are they interested in a material and socialist transformation of society? Or do they want an Islamic society without troublesome capitalists? More 'anti-capitalist' in a reactionary way? Why don t you send them a email at their contact number on their website and ask them.

[tellyontellyon]

Why don t you send them a email at their contact number on their website and ask them.

Well I might... but maybe someone who has a bit more experience and understanding of both socialism and Islam than me would be better.. Someone who could decipher their postings!

Anyway, the point I was trying to make is a general one.

[Ocean Seal]

Ok this was definitely made by the opposition.
"The Central Committee of the International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam has declared the month of May to be Mustafa Kamal Ataturk Month"
"The Central Committee of The International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam Declares The Month of May to be Ho Chi Minh Month within Proletarian Islam." (http://proletarianislam.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/the-central-committee-of-the-international-pan-islamic-communist-party-of-proletarian-islam-declares-the-month-of-may-to-be-ho-chi-minh-month-within-proletarian-islam/)


They can't be serious right assigning the same month to two people in different posts without referencing one another. Its a clear attempt to insult Islam and the left.

[hardlinecommunist]

Ok this was definitely made by the opposition.
"The Central Committee of the International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam has declared the month of May to be Mustafa Kamal Ataturk Month"
"The Central Committee of The International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam Declares The Month of May to be Ho Chi Minh Month within Proletarian Islam." (http://proletarianislam.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/the-central-committee-of-the-international-pan-islamic-communist-party-of-proletarian-islam-declares-the-month-of-may-to-be-ho-chi-minh-month-within-proletarian-islam/)


They can't be serious right assigning the same month to two people in different posts without referencing one another. Its a clear attempt to insult Islam and the left. perhaps its different party members writing posts.

[pastradamus]

Vietnam may not be perfect but is is a true Socialist State its people live a lot better then in a lot of the neighboring Pro Western Capitalist countries.

Vietnam is a joke. Its people live in one of the most labour-intensive exploitative regions in the world. Maybe at one stage you could have called it somewhat socialist - but sadly those days are long gone. Vietnam is a Capitalist state, its socialism exists only in its name and reputation. As I've said, when a child has to sew soccer balls all day for a quater its not socialism, its simply exploitation and nothing more than imperialistic capitalism.

[hardlinecommunist]

Vietnam is a joke. Its people live in one of the most labour-intensive exploitative regions in the world. Maybe at one stage you could have called it somewhat socialist - but sadly those days are long gone. Vietnam is a Capitalist state, its socialism exists only in its name and reputation. As I've said, when a child has to sew soccer balls all day for a quater its not socialism, its simply exploitation and nothing more than imperialistic capitalism. at what stage do you think that Vietnam may have been Socialist. I for one believe that Vietnam is still Socialist.

[Ocean Seal]

perhaps its different party members writing posts.
Still though, they should probably read the blog before they post a glaring contradiction.

[hardlinecommunist]

The Webite of IPICPPI has been quite for a while now.

[RedScare]

The Webite of IPICPPI has been quite for a while now.
I'm sorry, that acronym makes this whole thing a tad too ridiculous.

[hardlinecommunist]

The Communist Party of Proletarian Islam has not updated their website in a while i wonder what happen to them.

[Q]

The Communist Party of Proletarian Islam has not updated their website in a while i wonder what happen to them.

Tired of trolling?

[Sam_b]

Ran out of months to declare.

[Dimentio]

Twenty dollars says the OP is the one who created the thing in the first place.

Agreed. My first thought as well.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

The IPICPPI has not updated their website in quite some time.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Still, no update.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

No update.

[IslamicMarxist]

There was something similar to this during the bolshevik revolution and russian civil war. I don't think they carried such a name. I myself am an Islamic Marxist Obviously :)

[IslamicMarxist]

Well I might... but maybe someone who has a bit more experience and understanding of both socialism and Islam than me would be better.. Someone who could decipher their postings!

Anyway, the point I was trying to make is a general one.

I would be perfect for this. My purpose on this website is to break the gaps between Islam and Marxism. I think we need to be allied.

[LebenIstKrieg]

There was something similar to this during the bolshevik revolution and russian civil war. I don't think they carried such a name. I myself am an Islamic Marxist Obviously :)
yeah, I think I remember reading something like that in the book called "sacred causes" though I don't recommended it what so ever, because it supports the church during the holocaust

[Lenina Rosenweg]

There was something similar to this during the bolshevik revolution and russian civil war. I don't think they carried such a name. I myself am an Islamic Marxist Obviously :)
Sultan Galiev was a "Muslim Bolshevik" he and his folowers proposed a sort of National Communism. He saw Muslims as a whole as an oppressed group.I don't know, this seems to transcend class struggle and leads to a form of national bolshevism. Galiev was killed by Stalin in 1927.

The Iranian philosopher ali-Shariati combined Islam and Marxism. I don't know that much about him. He was killed by Savak.

Sufiism has revolutionary potential. There's a story that Frantz Fanon converted to a form of Sufiism in Algeria.The Marxist writer Norman Brown was intrigued by Islamic spirituality which he saw as a path to the "imaginal realm", necessary for any revolutionary project..

[hardlinecommunist]

I would be perfect for this. My purpose on this website is to break the gaps between Islam and Marxism. I think we need to be allied.
Well Comrade since you are an Islamic Marxist maybe you should go ahead and contact the International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam it seems like you have a lot in common with their Party. they should be glad to hear from you.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Well Comrade since you are an Islamic Marxist maybe you should go ahead and contact the International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam it seems like you have a lot in common with their Party. they should be glad to hear from you.

Here's their contact info /\
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[hardlinecommunist]

Here's their contact info /\
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I believe that the Contact Information for the Party of Proletarian Islam is on their Website.

[Sam_b]

You could just send him a PM.

[IslamicMarxist]

Well Comrade since you are an Islamic Marxist maybe you should go ahead and contact the International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam it seems like you have a lot in common with their Party. they should be glad to hear from you.

I'll try what I can but I'm still not sure if it's just a right wing group making fun of the left and Islam.. But I'll see what I can do comrade.

[IslamicMarxist]

yeah, I think I remember reading something like that in the book called "sacred causes" though I don't recommended it what so ever, because it supports the church during the holocaust

Yeah they were the founders of Islamic Socialism.. I think they were the wasai movement or another.. There were a whole bunch of them though.. The muslim provinces divided themselfs into conservative Islamists and Bolshevik Islamists. The basmachis were Conservatives and the Bolshevik Islamists and the Bolshevik Russians defeated them.

[IslamicMarxist]

Here's their contact info /\
l

May I please have the web adress for there site, comrade?

[Lenina Rosenweg]

May I please have the web adress for there site, comrade?

Here it is, don't say I didn't warn you.

http://proletarianislam.wordpress.com/2010/05/02/the-international-pan-islamic-communist-party-of-proletarian-islam-may-da

Of course, hardlinecommunist would know more about them than I would...

[hardlinecommunist]

The ICPPI has been real quiet for a while i wonder if they are still around

[Blackscare]

Jesus christ why do you care about that shitty little blog so much. You obviously made it. If you didn't, it's actually worse I think because you are genuinely enthralled by it. If it was a real attempt at a party, it's probably done what most attempts at forming political parties do, fizzled the fuck out. Thank praise Allah that this one did.


also,


at what stage do you think that Vietnam may have been Socialist. I for one believe that Vietnam is still Socialist. This bothered me. Any evidence at all to back up this belief? What is going on today in Vietnam that makes you think it is socialist at all? Don't just say "well I believe it is."

[Ned Kelly]

Islamic Communism?
Fuck off..

[hardlinecommunist]

Jesus christ why do you care about that shitty little blog so much. You obviously made it. If you didn't, it's actually worse I think because you are genuinely enthralled by it. If it was a real attempt at a party, it's probably done what most attempts at forming political parties do, fizzled the fuck out. Thank praise Allah that this one did.


also,

This bothered me. Any evidence at all to back up this belief? What is going on today in Vietnam that makes you think it is socialist at all? Don't just say "well I believe it is." Greyscare tell me what is your Ideology before i answer your question on Vietnam being Socialist what is your ideology are you an Anarchist Marxist or do you follow some other form of Socialism or Leftwing thought.

[Mather]

Although I agree with all the posters who said that communism and organised religion (in this case Islam) are mutually exclusive, come on, this 'party'/website has to be a joke. And if this 'party' is for real and was formed by some ex-MIM members, then it's an even bigger joke!

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Hardline communist,

Why don't you just admit that its your website? Announce it as an organization you are trying to form.There's no shame in announcing a new group/website although you should expect criticism of religious communism. It just won't work.Anyway announcing it's yours would be much more effective then telling everyone whether or not the site has been updated each month.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Greyscare tell me what is your Ideology before i answer your question on Vietnam being Socialist what is your ideology are you an Anarchist Marxist or do you follow some other form of Socialism or Leftwing thought.

Most Marxists today do not regard Vietnam as socialist.

[Homo Songun]

Vietnam is a joke. Its people live in one of the most labour-intensive exploitative regions in the world. Maybe at one stage you could have called it somewhat socialist - but sadly those days are long gone. Vietnam is a Capitalist state, its socialism exists only in its name and reputation. As I've said, when a child has to sew soccer balls all day for a quater its not socialism, its simply exploitation and nothing more than imperialistic capitalism.

LOL. Your investigation has shown that Vietnamese children are literally being paid a quarter per day. Thats three cents an hour. Exaggerate much?

Whats even more amazing is that your research has invalidated the concept of Labor aristocracy, since the 'imperialistic capitalist' country of Vietnam obviously has none at $0.03/hr wages...:lol:

[hardlinecommunist]

Most Marxists today do not regard Vietnam as socialist. that depends on who you count as a Marxist

[Q]

that depends on who you count as a Marxist
Good point indeed. No Marxist would count Vietnam as socialist.

[Rottenfruit]

A Teaparty sense of humor on both the left and the Islamist movement perhaps?
Pan Islamic communism=
Islamic theocracism mixed with communism that sounds just swell :confused:

[Dimentio]

Sounds like the Foundation of the Fundamentalist Fascist Federation (FFFF).

Shortly, a joke organisation.

[hardlinecommunist]

The International Pan Islamic Communist Party Website is back they have a Statement on the situation in Libya

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Thanks be to Allah! I was beginning to miss them. I'm intensely curious to see what they say about Libya.I literally have not been able to sleep nights, although that more could be because I have a leak in my air mattress.

[hardlinecommunist]

Thanks be to Allah! I was beginning to miss them. I'm intensely curious to see what they say about Libya.I literally have not been able to sleep nights, although that more could be because I have a leak in my air mattress.
You don t say

[MarxSchmarx]

is this idiotic meme still around? Thread closed.