Revolutionaries, prison, racial lines.

[The Red Panther Party]

In the USA, Prison isset along racial lines, the politics of prison make it a capital offence to talk to other inmates of a different colour, except the unholy alliance with the white aryan brotherhood allies with the southern mexicans, so how would revolutionaries survive in prison, wouldnt thy just be killed because they would not abide by the race boundaries.

Also how can we change this, the racism in the pen turns so many Black working class men and women into black nationalist who advocate segregation and turn white men who go in for economicly driven crimes into members of white supremacist gags in order to avoid rape, murder and other dangers.

I would be interested to know how you think we could change the sitation for al those who dwell in the hell kown as the penal system.

[An archist]

Well, I'd say get rid of prisons, but that's not really a way to deal with the situation as it is.

[The Red Panther Party]

Yeah comrade, it isnt possible to bolish prisons yet, but we need to sort the current prison conditions out and unify the imprisoned proletariat.

[Across The Street]

From what ive seen, and ive never been to prison, but in the county jails everything basically runs like it does on the street. We need to abolish certain harmful elements in day to day activities before much can be done for those 'inside the hell of the penal system'. Abolishing these elements is largely a personal battle each individual needs to confront themselves with, rather than being an issue of weeding out certain bad apples. There is just no such thing as a necessary evil and i wish people would realize this

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Again you show your ignorance about gangs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Guerilla_Family
They were originally a Marxist group in prison that crossed racial boundaries and is allies with Nuestra Familia(Obviously a latino gang). And like you said before the Aryan Brotherhood is allied up with the Mexican Mafia so racial boundaries are not set in place, even in the prison gangs. One of the higher ups in Nuestra Familia actually used to be a white guy, I am white and I used to be a Norteno.

[dubaba]

Again you show your ignorance about gangs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Guerilla_Family
They were originally a Marxist group in prison that crossed racial boundaries and is allies with Nuestra Familia(Obviously a latino gang). And like you said before the Aryan Brotherhood is allied up with the Mexican Mafia so racial boundaries are not set in place, even in the prison gangs. One of the higher ups in Nuestra Familia actually used to be a white guy, I am white and I used to be a Norteno.They only work together for drug and other illegal prison goods trade. Atleast Aryan brotherhood and Mexican mafia, not sure about black guerilla family ect.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

They only work together for drug and other illegal prison goods trade. Atleast Aryan brotherhood and Mexican mafia, not sure about black guerilla family ect.
Yes but they work together. That is significant, especially in prison. And like I was saying out on the streets (and sometimes even in prison)it's ridiculous how many bloods and crips aren't black, how many surenos and nortenos aren't latino, etc, yet people from the outside looking in think these gangs are exclusively for black people, for latinos, etc. Things are changing, these aren't the days where gangs are split up on purely racial lines anymore. They used to tell me "As long as you hate scraps(Derogatory term for surenos) you're a homie to me," which just shows that race isn't as important anymore, probably because our society is getting less racist(Remember most of these gangs started in the 50's, 60's, and 70's when you know how racist everybody was).

[The Red Panther Party]

well the norteneos are a fucking group of morons who are so bad at crime they make the crips look organized, even with the whole set tripping self harming.

Are you teling me prison dosent run along class lines, with caucasians and southern EME mexicans on one side black and northern mexicans on the other and natives and asians in a small grouping

[The Red Panther Party]

Also you see the m18 etc saying they hate "niggers" and its all about the brown love, they are ignorant fools, and very much operate along class lines, yes there are a few whites in crips and such but in prison, they too must abide by racial lines, this was documented in the book solitary.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Did "The Red Panther Party" basically just say class lines=race or am I just reading this wrong?

[bailey_187]

Did "The Red Panther Party" basically just say class lines=race or am I just reading this wrong?

i'm thinking he meant to say race but said "class" without thinking

[A Revolutionary Tool]

i'm thinking he meant to say race but said "class" without thinking
But he did it twice in two separate posts. If he's really banned I could see why, that would be an incredibly ignorant statement.

[Leo]

They were originally a Marxist group in prison that crossed racial boundaries The BGF is known not to allow whites into its ranks, and as far as I am aware of that has always been the case. They had a white "offshot" (Dead Man Inc.) which as far as I know is now torn with faction fighting between those who want to remain BGF allies, and those who want to move towards a white supremacist position.

Some "marxism" anyway.

Needless to say, all these gangs, regardless of ideology, are fundamentally capitalist businesses, operating in the criminal sector.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

The BGF is known not to allow whites into its ranks, and as far as I am aware of that has always been the case. They had a white "offshot" (Dead Man Inc.) which as far as I know is now torn with faction fighting between those who want to remain BGF allies, and those who want to move towards a white supremacist position.

Some "marxism" anyway.

Needless to say, all these gangs, regardless of ideology, are fundamentally capitalist businesses, operating in the criminal sector.
That's why I said they were originally a Marxist. Although you have to look at the context, it was formed during the 60's and one of it's stated goals was eradicating racism but they were in an environment where people were mostly split up on races. They became less ideological and more black nationalist, at least that's how I've been taught it, and I've never heard of Dead Man Inc. Bold is true but Red Panther Party thinks differently. But he's banned now...