Behind the Mask of Ron Paul

[The Vegan Marxist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4P87p-Arcw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCSZRuS2YfU&feature=watch_response

[x371322]

Thanks for posting this. I couldn't even watch it all, but thanks. I used to like Ron Paul back when I was a libertarian, but even then I knew nothing about any of this. I would NOT have supported him if I knew he had said any of that shit. His son, Rand Paul is running for the senate in my state. I really hope the bastard doesn't get anywhere near that seat.

[RadioRaheem84]

Thanks for the video but there was no need to research the dirt on this guy. His plain political views are patently absurd and disgusting.

[Nolan]

Rand? He named his son Rand? :laugh:

[RadioRaheem84]

It's settled though. Ron Paul was supposed to be the most "level headed" right winger out there that commanded admiration from a huge diverse group of people but it turns out that he is an anti-ZOGist, Bircher, White Supremacist, Militia Red Dawn watching wet dream!

The Right wing movement whether libertarian under Ron Paul, Tea Bagger or Republican...it's all racism and a matter of national supremacy. That's what it's been since day one and that is what it will always be.

Doesn't it make you guys angry that the biggest opposition movement out there right now is rabidly right wing? A Popular Leftist Front is needed now more than ever.

[x371322]

Rand? He named his son Rand? :laugh:

Yep. Apparently after Ayn Rand, or so it would seem. He's a republican candidate for Senate in KY, currently running against Trey Grayson for the republican nomination. I hate 'em both.

[Dimentio]

Yep. Apparently after Ayn Rand, or so it would seem. He's a republican candidate for Senate in KY, currently running against Trey Grayson for the republican nomination. I hate 'em both.

This is bizarre. Ayn Rand hated christians more than anything else...

[Zeus the Moose]

Rand? He named his son Rand? :laugh:

I'm pretty sure it's short for "Randall." He seems to be polling rather well (http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=396350) in the Republican primary, and recently won the endorsement of the outgoing US Senator, Jim Bunning, so he may have a shot at winning.

[Dimentio]

Alright, the guy is a white supremacist. The views expressed in his newsletters are reminiscent of Der Stürmer and would even make "mainstream" racists like Steve Sailer cringe. If Ron Paul is pitted against Obama, my estimated guess is that he would get a maximum of 20% of the votes when all this's going to blow in his face.

He's not a cranky libertarian. He's a disgusting nazi.

By the way, I checked Rand Paul's candidacy sheet. The guy wrote a summary of his positions before, where being "Caucasian" apparently was important. I checked other candidates for comparison, and none of them listed their race in their presentation pages.

http://www.ourcampaigns.com/CandidateDetail.html?CandidateID=197405



Caucasian - Libertarian - Isolationist - Pro School Vouchers - Pro- gun - Pro-Bush Tax Cuts - Pro-Life - Pro-Smaller Government - Married - Straight - Info

[A.R.Amistad]

Ah, I see Kentucky politics have been awoken here on Revleft. :rolleyes: I generally get on here to try to escape that shit

[x371322]

Ah, I see Kentucky politics have been awoken here on Revleft. :rolleyes: I generally get on here to try to escape that shit

Haha. Yeah sorry about that Amistad.

[RadioRaheem84]

Paul is a Neo-Confederate clown and right wing libertarian ideas are making a serious comeback.

[ZombieGrits]

Jesus I hate southern politics. 'Batshitcrazy' is too liberal, so your only choices are 'batshitcrazyer' and 'batshitcrazyest'

[Crusade]

This makes my thread (http://www.revleft.com/vb/ron-paul-drug-t133196/index.html) look very foolish.

[The Vegan Marxist]

This makes my thread (http://www.revleft.com/vb/ron-paul-drug-t133196/index.html) look very foolish.

Well Ron Paul makes great points when it comes to things like the Drug War & the Federal Reserve, but that's about it.

[Crusade]

Well Ron Paul makes great points when it comes to things like the Drug War & the Federal Reserve, but that's about it.

It seems more like a clever way of gaining support though. Huey Newton's father actually named him after a White politician who did the reverse. "Huey Peirce Long" cleverly got pro-black legislation passed by using racist rhetoric to make bigoted whites believe this legislation was made to protect them from black people. For example, hiring more black nurses so that white nurses won't have to take care of black patients. I have a feeling Ron Paul might be doing the same, passing white nationalist legislation under the guise of helping people. Then again I don't see how ending the drug war could help white people who hate blacks, so maybe he changed his mind?

[RadioRaheem84]

Ron Paul's politics are pure white supremacist, neo-confederate, John Bircher, drivel. He just hid it under a facade of being "truly patriotic".

[Zeus the Moose]

Alright, the guy is a white supremacist. The views expressed in his newsletters are reminiscent of Der Stürmer and would even make "mainstream" racists like Steve Sailer cringe. If Ron Paul is pitted against Obama, my estimated guess is that he would get a maximum of 20% of the votes when all this's going to blow in his face.

He's not a cranky libertarian. He's a disgusting nazi.

By the way, I checked Rand Paul's candidacy sheet. The guy wrote a summary of his positions before, where being "Caucasian" apparently was important. I checked other candidates for comparison, and none of them listed their race in their presentation pages.

http://www.ourcampaigns.com/CandidateDetail.html?CandidateID=197405

OurCampaigns is an elections archive site that's maintained by volunteers. One of them noted that Rand was a Caucasian; it wasn't him or his campaign that did it. Just to clear up that issue.

[Dimentio]

It seems more like a clever way of gaining support though. Huey Newton's father actually named him after a White politician who did the reverse. "Huey Peirce Long" cleverly got pro-black legislation passed by using racist rhetoric to make bigoted whites believe this legislation was made to protect them from black people. For example, hiring more black nurses so that white nurses won't have to take care of black patients. I have a feeling Ron Paul might be doing the same, passing white nationalist legislation under the guise of helping people. Then again I don't see how ending the drug war could help white people who hate blacks, so maybe he changed his mind?

Huey Long was the closest thing America ever got to an Hugo Chàvez. I have read up on the guy, and find him to be one of the most sympathetic "mainstream" American politicians ever. He also managed to get elected on a consistently left-populist platform in one of the most bigoted states in America.

[Dimentio]

OurCampaigns is an elections archive site that's maintained by volunteers. One of them noted that Rand was a Caucasian; it wasn't him or his campaign that did it. Just to clear up that issue.

The question is: Who is that volunteer?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Huey Long was the closest thing America ever got to an Hugo Chàvez. I have read up on the guy, and find him to be one of the most sympathetic "mainstream" American politicians ever. He also managed to get elected on a consistently left-populist platform in one of the most bigoted states in America.

Nah, he was a crude populist who wasn't afraid to use strong arm tactics against his opponents. He could have just as well been the American Mussolini with a few more populist trappings. At the height of his power the Lousiana police were essentially his own private militia.

[Dimentio]

Nah, he was a crude populist who wasn't afraid to use strong arm tactics against his opponents. He could have just as well been the American Mussolini with a few more populist trappings. At the height of his power the Lousiana police were essentially his own private militia.

Well, that sounds like Hugo Chàvez to me. Besides, we should first look at content and then at the demeanors of a politician. The bourgeoisie and idealists in generals generally don't like strong macho-politicians who point with their entire arms.

[RadioRaheem84]

Well, that sounds like Hugo Chàvez to me.


:rolleyes: Cheap shot.

[Dimentio]

:rolleyes: Cheap shot.

I am sorry.

I like some of the things Chávez has done, but to not recognise that he's a caudillo-style strongman is simply denialism. And, if he hadn't been such, he would probably not have returned to power in 2002 or been able to carry out his reforms. Likewise, Huey Long was probably necessary in order to fix some reforms in Louisiana.

[Hexen]

Doesn't it make you guys angry that the biggest opposition movement out there right now is rabidly right wing? A Popular Leftist Front is needed now more than ever.

It also scares me that the US might be heading towards a another Nazi Germany due to all this right wing support (Alex Jones, 9/11 truth movement, etc).

[RadioRaheem84]

It also scares me that the US might be heading towards a another Nazi Germany due to all this right wing support (Alex Jones, 9/11 truth movement, etc).

I don't know about Nazi-like but it is certainly headed toward a right wing strongman rule. Think of a more brutal Reagan with a revamped COINTELPRO FBI/CIA under his command. That's what I picture.

[RadioRaheem84]

I like some of the things Chávez has done, but to not recognise that he's a caudillo-style strongman is simply denialism. And, if he hadn't been such, he would probably not have returned to power in 2002 or been able to carry out his reforms. Likewise, Huey Long was probably necessary in order to fix some reforms in Louisiana.

Yeah he was such a strongman that he was taken out by a small oligarch and the right wing media. Chavez doesn't have this hold on the country like you guys think he does. He is not a dictator. He barks a lot but the country is still very much in the hands of the wealthy. All Chavez did that was successful was build an alternative economy right next to the old one and it will soon be in direct competition with it. We will see where Chavez stands once the situation gets to the point where reform is no longer an option for the Bolivarian Revolution.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Well, that sounds like Hugo Chàvez to me. Besides, we should first look at content and then at the demeanors of a politician. The bourgeoisie and idealists in generals generally don't like strong macho-politicians who point with their entire arms.

You're going to compare Hugo Chavez with Ron Paul? Are you kidding me? Chavez has done a hell of a lot more for his people, especially to Socialism, in which Paul is highly against.

[RadioRaheem84]

You're going to compare Hugo Chavez with Ron Paul? Are you kidding me? Chavez has done a hell of a lot more for his people, especially to Socialism, in which Paul is highly against.

He was comparing US Politician Huey Long to Hugo Chavez.

The comparison though is still silly.

[The Vegan Marxist]

He was comparing US Politician Huey Long to Hugo Chavez.

The comparison though is still silly.

oh okay. my mistake.

[InuyashaKnight]

This guy is just whacked, but hes a good rat telling what the neo-cons do.

[Dimentio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Pqp-b7dwY&feature=player_embedded

Didn't Alex Jones and Ron Paul attend to the same conference, "The Matrix of Evil"?

[The Vegan Marxist]

Yeah, they did. The Matrix of Evil was a documentary that Alex Jones made a while back. I remember how Ron Paul gained so much popularity after he showed a pair of balls by speaking out on what he called the "New World Order" in a presidential debate. If he hadn't had said anything about a "NWO" he would've remained less heard of I'm sure.

[Hexen]

He was comparing US Politician Huey Long to Hugo Chavez.

The comparison though is still silly.

Yup, gets to show that there really isn't any Left-Wing politics in the US....scary really...

It also shows that the US is going to ride that Right-Wing carousel repeating the same mistakes over and over into oblivion unless if we do something. (In fact, it's probably a clever tactic that capitalists use to damage/tarnish/taint anything's reputation with the sole purpose of keeping themselves in power which is something we must combat first.)

[Die Neue Zeit]

Yeah he was such a strongman that he was taken out by a small oligarch and the right wing media. Chavez doesn't have this hold on the country like you guys think he does. He is not a dictator. He barks a lot but the country is still very much in the hands of the wealthy. All Chavez did that was successful was build an alternative economy right next to the old one and it will soon be in direct competition with it. We will see where Chavez stands once the situation gets to the point where reform is no longer an option for the Bolivarian Revolution.

Since this is an off-topic post, I should say that Chavez is planning to alter how the National Assembly is elected:

http://www.electionguide.org/country.php?ID=231


In the National Assembly (Asamblea Nacional), 65 members are elected through a party-list proportional representation system to serve 5-year terms, 68 members are elected by plurality vote in single-member constituencies to serve 5-year terms, 31 members are elected by plurality vote in multi-member constituencies to serve 5-year terms and 3 members are reserved to serve 5-year terms

According to critics, he is planning to reduce the number of party-list PR members and increase the others, contrary to the demands on the left worldwide for party-list PR.

[A.R.Amistad]

Hey, I don't doubt that Ron Paul said and believes all of the things that the YouTube video said, but could someone link me to a more trustworthy source about this? One shouldn't blindly accept YouTube videos as their source of information for anything.

[RadioRaheem84]

Hey, I don't doubt that Ron Paul said and believes all of the things that the YouTube video said, but could someone link me to a more trustworthy source about this? One shouldn't blindly accept YouTube videos as their source of information for anything.

Just listen to Ron Paul himself. His politics are Klan-like without the sheets.

[Hexen]

Just listen to Ron Paul himself. His politics are Klan-like without the sheets.

...Only if you put the sheets on him then it'll reveal what he truly is..

Makes me think again about Alex Jones, 9/11 truthers, etc are really misinformation agents with a agenda to put these people in power and many people are dumb enough to fall through their carefully disguised trap in a guise as the anti-establishment. Gets to show how fucked the US really is...

I guess this takes the term "Stupid American" into a whole new level...

[GPDP]

...Only if you put the sheets on him then it'll reveal what he truly is..

Makes me think again about Alex Jones, 9/11 truthers, etc are really misinformation agents with a agenda to put these people in power and many people are dumb enough to fall through their carefully disguised trap in a guise as the anti-establishment. Gets to show how fucked the US really is...

I guess this takes the term "Stupid American" into a whole new level...

It really depends. Some of those agents actually do buy wholeheartedly into all the bullshit they spew, while others are pure propagandists who know they're spinning nothing but lies and misinformation.

Ron Paul would be the former, and Alex Jones would be the later, IMO.

[The Vegan Marxist]

It really depends. Some of those agents actually do buy wholeheartedly into all the bullshit they spew, while others are pure propagandists who know they're spinning nothing but lies and misinformation.

Ron Paul would be the former, and Alex Jones would be the later, IMO.

What never made sense to me was that, despite the fact that Alex Jones would attack anyone by calling them pseudo-agents for even hinting that they don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job or simply if you were part of a Masonic fraternity, he's promoted Ron Paul all the way without even hinting opposition against him when in fact Ron Paul has stated he doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job & he's an unofficial member of the John Birch Society, which was founded by Masons.

[Hexen]

What never made sense to me was that, despite the fact that Alex Jones would attack anyone by calling them pseudo-agents for even hinting that they don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job or simply if you were part of a Masonic fraternity

I wonder if there's any particular name for this tactic that the conspiracy theorists use against their opponents? Is it character assassination?

[The Vegan Marxist]

I wonder if there's any particular name for this tactic that the conspiracy theorists use against their opponents? Is it character assassination?

Possibly, with the use of propaganda as well. Anyone who represents the all-seeing-eye is labeled as either a Mason or part of the New World Order.

[Hexen]

I left a comment in that video and all the sudden some conspiracy nutjob just responded with including a flamewar...


You are easily influenced


I'm easily influenced? You are the one being swayed by blatantly dishonest propaganda. If you would think for yourself instead of being taught by quote-mining and character assassination maybe you would do yourself some good.


This video is propaganda, pure and simple. Just like the Carly Fiorina Demon Sheep ad or the Global Warming disaster ads. This video IS a conspiracy theory. The line it draws between the KKK and Ron Paul is juvenile and an underhanded attempt at discrediting him. How about Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers? Or his love of Alinsky? The KKK originated from the Democratic party, as did the Jim Crow Laws.


I'm glad you acknowledge there will be no socialist revolution, as if a socialist revolution would be a good thing. Also, please take credit where credit is due. I never reversed your argument, I simply showed you for the feeble minded sheep you are. I'll keep fighting the good fight and you can just die out like any good socialist would.


How did I assassinate your character? You are the one making idiot comments about being led by propaganda. You brought it on yourself. If one innacurate video influences you so much, you ARE a sheep. I don't know where you got the idea I would vote in Ron Paul as I have never even said anything to that effect. All you are doing is putting words in my mouth. All this "class consciousness" BS is just an excuse to play the victim. Hard work and patience leads to wealth.


If this video is all it takes to convince you "the danger of libertarianism" or whatever you said, that just proves you are a simpleton and have no perception of reality. This video is the equivalent of videos where they "prove" the parallells of Obama and Hitler. A feeble attempt at character assassination. I stand by my first comment that you are easily influenced.

And if you look at the other comments in that video, you'll see that these conspiracy theorists/libertarians/etc defend their ideology to their last breath which is very disturbing even if evidence is provided they'll ignore and they'll use character assassinations and even deny it and use victim blaming.

[apocalypse in 9/8]

What exactly does the IMF do?

[cska]

What exactly does the IMF do?

This should be split into a separate thread, but you might find this document useful:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Parenti/Wealth_Creates_Poverty.html