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Lyev
11th April 2010, 20:04
Original article here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/11/tight-election-win-social-chaos-nick-clegg).

Tight election win could plunge UK into social chaos - Nick Clegg
Liberal Democrat leader fears that if Labour or Conservatives tried to impose cuts after narrow win it 'could spark Greek-style unrest'
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Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg on the campaign trail with his wife Miriam Gonzalez Durantez at Whirlow Hall farm. Photograph: Chris Radburn/PA

Britain will be hit by waves of "Greek-style unrest" if a Tory or Labour government narrowly wins the election and then tries to push through draconian spending cuts, Nick Clegg (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/nickclegg) warns today.

In an interview with the Observer (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/11/nick-clegg-interview), the Liberal Democrat leader says he fears "serious social strife" would break out on the streets if a government with limited support at the election on 6 May then raised taxes, laid off public-sector workers and froze wages.

As the main parties prepared to launch their election manifestos early next week, Clegg said it was "stating the obvious" to say that a hung parliament, in which the main parties were forced to work together, would be good for the country. The alternative would be to have a government that lacked support across huge parts of Britain at a time when emergency measures were needed to cut the deficit.

Advancing his case for a fairer voting system that would return MPs in proportion to the number of votes cast, he said that Labour won office in 2005 with the support of 22% of eligible voters.

"Imagine the Conservatives go home and get an absolute majority, on 25% of the eligible votes," Clegg said. "They then turn around in the next week or two and say we're going to chuck up VAT to 20%, we're going to start cutting teachers, cutting police and the wage bill in the public sector. I think if you're not careful in that situation… you'd get Greek-style unrest. And so my warning to people who think the old politics still works, is be careful for what you wish for."

In his own constituency city of Sheffield, where there are no Conservative MPs or councillors, and a high proportion of public-sector workers, he fears a ferocious backlash against potential Tory cuts.

"Suddenly these people will be told by a government that has no legitimacy in their eyes that this government is going to slash and burn, having promised them something else."

Clegg said he was "not campaigning for a hung parliament" but it would be preferable to rule by a party with a tiny majority based on a minority of votes. "Do I think politicians working together can be a good thing? Of course it can."

Last month strikes and protests against the Greek government's harsh austerity measures caused chaos, with 10,000 marching in protest in Athens.

A series of opinion polls last night suggested that a hung parliament, or a small Tory majority, remained the most likely outcomes.

A survey of 96 Labour-held marginals for the [I]News of the World found Conservative support had fallen by four points to 36% since January, while the Lib Dems had surged five points to 19%. Labour remained on 37%. The figures would be likely to leave Mr Cameron in control of 308 seats – not enough to wield a majority. Labour would have 248 seats and the Lib Dems 61.

Meanwhile, a YouGov survey for the Sunday Times found the Tory lead had dropped from 10 to eight points over the past week. It put the Tories on 40%, Labour (up three) on 32% and the Lib Dems down two on 18%.

Clegg's comments come as both Labour and the Liberal Democrats (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/liberaldemocrats) slammed Tory proposals to give married couples a tax break.

George Osborne, the shadow chancellor, laid out details of the £550m plan yesterday, revealing it would benefit only one-third of Britain's 12.3 million married couples – those where there is one partner on a low to middle income and the other does not earn. They would gain £150 a year.
Clegg, campaigning with his wife Miriam Gonzalez Durantez in Sheffield, described them as a "throwback to the Edwardian era", while Gordon Brown accused the Tories of taking money away from struggling families, claiming they would make heavy cuts in child tax credits, child trust funds, Sure Start and schools.

Yvette Cooper, the work and pensions secretary, said: "It is unfair to tell children whose parents, for whatever reason, aren't married that they and their families are second class. What kind of signal is that?"

Speaking during a visit to Cheam, in south London, Tory leader David Cameron said: "We should have a society where we back commitment and where we recognise marriage and civil partnerships in the tax system. Would it be a good thing if more people came together and stayed together and showed commitment? I think it would."

The Observer has learned that Labour's manifesto, to be unveiled on Monday, will contain plans to force energy companies to reduce the bills of around a million poorer pensioners by £100 a year. Companies will have to offer reduced tariffs to all over-75s who are on income support. Labour's manifesto will focus on rebuilding the economy, reforming public services and rebuilding trust in politics through measures that will include reducing the voting age to 16.

Campaigning in his Kirkaldy and Cowdenbeath constituency, Brown said Labour's offer to voters would be credible rather than exciting. "It is about substance in the end," he said.I hope there is "social chaos"; people need to wake up and see what's right in front of their eyes. Society needs to realise that capitalism will never be able to fully fulfill the needs of the individual. Furthermore, if Clegg's prediction proves correct, us socialists and anarchists need to absolutely be in the right place at the right time, to channel the anger that people have.

Use this thread for predictions, speculations, ideas, theories etc. for what the UK will be like, or who will actually win in the upcoming election. And how the radical left needs to combat this new government.

Old Man Diogenes
11th April 2010, 20:14
Original article here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/11/tight-election-win-social-chaos-nick-clegg).
I hope there is "social chaos"; people need to wake up and see what's right in front of their eyes. Society needs to realise that capitalism will never be able to fully fulfill the needs of the individual. Furthermore, if Clegg's prediction proves correct, us socialists and anarchists need to absolutely be in the right place at the right time, to channel the anger that people have.

Use this thread for predictions, speculations, ideas, theories etc. for what the UK will be like, or who will actually win in the upcoming election. And how the radical left needs to combat this new government.

Merely the title of this thread made me feel hopeful, reading it has only made me more so. :star:

Vladimir Innit Lenin
11th April 2010, 20:21
Meh, knowing the UK as I do, i'm not optimistic. We seem to have a history of subservience towards the ruling class, especially its political strata.

We need to capture the spirit of the 1980s IMO. I do feel like one good, well organised, well led spark could lead to some level of social chaos. The Trade Unions could be key. Although they are pretty un-supportable politically, because of their right wing leadership and support for the Labour Party, they could possibly make a left shift - perhaps being led by Mark Serwotka at the PCS - if Labour do not win the election.

If the Unions could be persuded to dis-affiliate themselves from the Labour Party, there is definitely a possibility that they could join forces with some Left-Labour voices - Galloway, Benn, McDonnell, Corbyn (Cruddas can go to hell). This could spark popular unrest - I still believe there are several million working class people in this country who would support a step towards Socialism - after all, in 1983, on a Socialistic manifesto, 7 million people did indeed vote for Labour.

Lyev
11th April 2010, 20:32
You make a good point there. IIRC the current trade-union membership in the UK stands at something like 8 million (that might need verifying). As you say, the problem is, everyone is a bloody Labour-ite, it would seem. And, yet, I can't even start to fathom- why? After Iraq, Afghanistan, their reaction to the recession, bankers bailout, MPs expenses, PFIs and bastardization of the NHS, to mention just a few things, why on earth do people still vote New Labour? The main argument seems to be- "there's no other alternative", yet even a party like Green is more progressive, despite the fact they don't stand a chance. As I have said, it's paramount for a real worker's alternative to put forward their views.

revolution inaction
11th April 2010, 21:55
i don't think that any thing like what has been happening in greece will happen in the uk, you have to think, the level of politicisation of people and of unrest was much higher in greece before the riots started than they are in the uk now. so i think that kind of reaction is really unlikely, although it would be nice to be wrong

Tifosi
11th April 2010, 22:02
Can't see it, I have a feeling this is just the LibDems trying to get a few more votes off people by making them shit themself's.

TheCultofAbeLincoln
12th April 2010, 00:29
Agreed.

I'm not in the UK, but I have the feeling that believing what a politician says will happen if their opponet wins, during election season, is a pretty bad idea anywhere. Just sayin.

scarletghoul
12th April 2010, 00:43
:laugh: ''Nick Clegg'' is a joke. Though it is true that just about everyone is discontent with this system and there is no public confidence in bourgeois politics.. but there is not a lot of class conciousness like in Greece so I can't imagine any eruptions of violent class war

Proletarian Ultra
12th April 2010, 03:48
Nick Clegg is a douchenozzle. A few months back his position was that "savage cuts" were required. Douche.

I'm disappointed but not surprised by some of the worse-is-betterism in the comments. Didn't really work out the last time around, did it?

Lyev
12th April 2010, 21:02
I'm disappointed but not surprised by some of the worse-is-betterism in the comments. Didn't really work out the last time around, did it? What exactly do you mean by "worse-is-betterism"?

Steve_j
12th April 2010, 21:40
If they raise the taxes on my beer and ciggies any higher he might just have at least one nutter in the street throwing petrol bombs. But only if i could raise the money to buy the petrol. which i probably couldnt..... :(

Red Commissar
12th April 2010, 23:01
I find it amusing, in American politics it is seen as a good thing to cut social/public spending. :laugh:

Meh, I can't see it happening unless they try to do something stupid like privatize the NHS.

Delenda Carthago
13th April 2010, 12:56
Greeks has abrogade their social contract a long time ago before the December uprise.Everyone hates the society,the state,the system,even if they dont have any class consciousness at all.There is this passive nihilism,born by the refutation of systems promises and by the corruption that breaths everywhere in the political system in Greece:by the prime ministers to the last cop on the corner...December riots might be a reclaim of the values of which society was supposed to be built on:democracy,equality,freedom,self respect.
Also,dont forget that people in Greece still live in a civil war-after time:Discussions on civil war still move people to take sides.

I hope I am wrong,but I dont see it happen in UK...
I dont thnikg that is really the case in the UK situation...

Bilan
13th April 2010, 13:05
:laugh: ''Nick Clegg'' is a joke. Though it is true that just about everyone is discontent with this system and there is no public confidence in bourgeois politics.. but there is not a lot of class conciousness like in Greece so I can't imagine any eruptions of violent class war

I'm not from England, but I think it's worth pointing out the strikes that have happened across the UK recently...
Plus, what is this "fixed" idea of class consciousness? Class consciousness develops through struggle. Massive lay-offs, unemployment and wage freezes tend to spark reactions.

However, it is not definite (True), but to say it's not going to happen because the British working class isn't as onto it as Lenin doesn't mean squat.

Qayin
14th April 2010, 05:05
Creating of conditions for social insurrection?
Sounds good to me