South of the Border....Oliver Stone....

[RadioRaheem84]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwhau48LUAA

Looks like a good film! Anyone have a torrent link or have info on when it's coming out?

The trailer is amazing. Apparently, the US media has said that Chavez invited Al Qaeda to Caracas? WTF! How bat shit insane has our media become?

[CartCollector]

According to IMDb it'll be released in June: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1337137/

[Tablo]

I'm looking forward to this. While I'm not too fond of Chavez I do think the American media misrepresents him and the things he is doing. I'm quite happy that Latin America is taking a stand against the United States.

[¿Que?]

I am pro-Chavez although I wouldn't call myself a Chavista. In any case, there are many views represented in the different presidents interviewed by Stone. I don't like that they are presented as all working for the same interest. In fact, that quote from Nestor Kirchner is a direct jab at Chavez I think. Of course the movie will probably provide for a little more nuance, I hope.

[punisa]

Well June is over... any ideas where to "see" this movie ? :)

[x359594]

It's already been the subject of attacks in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/movies/26stone.html .

[KurtFF8]

I saw a screening of it at the US Social forum, followed by a panel discussion with someone from the CEPR (progressive economic think tank that helped advise the film), a Bolivian grass roots activist, and a representative from ALBA. It was a decent panel but I think the experience of watching the film was better.

The film isn't that in depth, and I didn't really learn too much from it, but it is good to see this perspective of defensive of progressive causes in Latin America getting some serious attention. The film is essentially an attempt to debunk the US mainstream media's portrayal of folks like Chavez, and in this sense it does a pretty decent job.

I'm not sure if it is wide or limited release, and I certainly hope it is wide release like Micahel Moore's film. Although I'm not too sure that it is.

[Barry Lyndon]

I don't like that they are presented as all working for the same interest. In fact, that quote from Nestor Kirchner is a direct jab at Chavez I think. Of course the movie will probably provide for a little more nuance, I hope.

I have not seen the movie yet, although I want too, but that aspect of the trailer bothered me too. I see Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales as revolutionaries, but I do not see Lula or Kirchner that way at all.

[KurtFF8]

The film does demonstrate that they all take different approaches. It also doesn't present the illusion that Lula or the Kirchners are revolutionaries, because they aren't and don't claim to be.

What it does demonstrate is that even Lula and the Kirchners have resisted US Neoliberalism and US Imperialism in Latin America though.

[x359594]

...I'm not sure if it is wide or limited release, and I certainly hope it is wide release like Micahel Moore's film. Although I'm not too sure that it is.

It's being released in the Los Angeles, California area tomorrow and is already the object of a rightist protest and counter protest:

"Join us in front of LAEMMLE’S MONICA 4-PLEX 1332 2nd Street,Santa Monica Friday July 2 starting at 4:30PM to counter: MARIA CONCHITA ALONSO who will be leading a protest in front of the theater in hopes of stopping people from seeing this film for which OLIVER STONE will be present for a Q &A."[/URL]
(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1006236492&v=wall&story_fbid=120425644668635) Conchita Alonso was the “expert... See More” who recently appeared on ‘Fox and Friends’ to discredit the film. She and her brother are calling for the overthrow of the Venezuelan government and have thrown their support behind para-military groups in Columbia. She joins the cohort of right-wing media who have been trying to prevent people from accessing the information in this film--from Larry Rohter at The New York Times to the New York Daily News, New York Post and many others. Rebuttal from Oliver Stone and Tariq Ali: [URL]http://southoftheborderdoc.com/oliver-stone-responds-to-attack-from-the-new-york-times-larry-rohter/ Fox & Friends with Maria Conchita Alonso: http://www.youtube.com/user/foxnewschannel?blend=1&ob=4#p/a/u/2/P6CFjNtueDA

[KurtFF8]

Shocker, the US Media that was scolded in the film is responding unpleasantly.

Seems the film did something right then ;)

[Barry Lyndon]

The New York Times has a lot of nerve bashing this film for alleged inaccuracy, given that they have lied and continue to lie and distort repeatedly about Venezuela and Hugo Chavez. The most egregious example is when they cheered the 2002 coup de tat in their editorial, and claimed that Chavez had 'voluntarily resigned'. To this day, they have never made a retraction for whitewashing the illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government. They continue to demonize Chavez as a 'demagogue', 'caudillo', 'strongman', and 'would-be dictator'(they don't actually call him a dictator, since their a little more cautiously propagandistic then Fox News).

[KurtFF8]

To this day, they have never made a retraction for whitewashing the illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government

Actually I think that the majority of their editorial board retracted that. Although, Rohter, who wrote the piece criticizing Stone's film, never did and continues to be a harsh right-wing critic of Chavez

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

It's already been the subject of attacks in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/movies/26stone.html .

To be honest, I think that is overall a pretty fair critique of the film. I noticed some errors when I saw it as well, notably the fact that Stone continuously mispronounced Chavez's name :mad:.