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[Wolf Larson]

The net neutrality movement is communism! hats right, Glen Beck has announced it on his show. While claiming to represent free speech and the enlightenment Glen Beck has positioned himself in opposition to net neutrality while painting out the movement to be a cripto Marxist conspiracy to facilitate revolution. Never mind the obvious fact that conservatives, conservative capitalist libertarians, capitalist liberals and non political/partisan entities are all fighting to keep the internet neutral.

According to FOX News there's no problem with selling bandwidth to the highest bidder while restricting less profitable entities thus the free flow of information. This opposition to net neutrality was somehow frames as defending freedom of speech by Beck and there will be millions of idiots who believe it.

It's not only FOX and Glen Beck types who are seeking to regulate the internet the liberal bastion of propaganda NY Times is also putting the internet in their sights. The NY Times latest ploy is to focus on Wikileaks as a danger to national security. They've used that to push a anti- free flowing internet campaign in collusion with other MsM corporate Media. It would be a grave mistake to simply frame FOX News as the enemy of the people. Read This:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/oct2006/kelle-o21.shtml

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/apr2010/wiki-a08.shtml

The NY Times, FOX News, Verison, Viacom, Turner Broadcasting/Time Warner, Comcast, GE/NBC, the US Government, AT&T and so on are stepping up their push to control the American mind. Obama will obviously have no problem with this [rejuvenated] upcoming and ongoing push to regulate the internet as the capitalist establishment he represents is threatened by the continuing crisis' of overproduction and they will do anything they can to confuse the American people as to the actual cause/effects. At the root of it all is the Lockean capitalist mentality that the people must be kept from true democracy at all costs- the appearance of democracy has been crafted - not true democracy itself. Democracy depends on an informed public, so, seeing only the appearance of democracy has been given the public is not informed but in fact misinformed with the goal of manufacturing consent for the interests of the ruling class. The internet is becoming a threat to those interests because it has started to, albeit slowly, erode the controlled MsM medias grip on the American mind which has for generations manufactured consent for corporate rule and the wars of aggression capitalist society necessitates under the guise of democracy.

The major TV networks and Newspapers have also started in with advertisements such as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPIYxtjLFeI&feature=player_embedded

[Red Commissar]

Do you have a video of Glenn Beck's announcement of that?

But yes the net neutrality debate is getting really tense now.

[Weezer]

R.I.P. The Internet

[cska]

R.I.P. The Internet

well, we just need to make the second internet.

[pierrotlefou]

well, we just need to make the second internet.
an internet 2.0 if you will. Oh wait....they're already on that. We may have to jump to 3.0

[x371322]

I realize very few people actually take Beck seriously... but I just can't help but really, really, hate his face. I believe I hate him more than any other creature on this planet. I used to think Bill o'reilly was batshit crazy. Then I watched Glenn Beck. He actually makes O'Reilly look almost sane.

The internet must remain open.

[Wolf Larson]

R.I.P. The Internet
It will be done slowly/incrementally, perhaps, if they do it quick and swift it could actually help our cause because there would be millions and millions of angry people ready to take to the streets. It would start a new era of serious malcontent. Or do you think the people would take it laying down?

Why has capitalism lasted so long? The concessions given to workers has bought many peoples passive loyalty. If they regulated the internet into a corporate controlled propaganda machine coupled with another economic crisis which will in fact take place in 7 or 8 years, massive lay offs to a 25% unemployment rate and a war with a nation which can actually fight back [Iran/draft] capitalism will be done. Attacking the internet wouldn't do it alone- it would be just one ingredient in building a revolutionary stage. Another thing which will happen in a few years is China will start raising prices for their exports and that will effect the average Americans ability to be a mindless consumer detached from the world around them. It's going to be a mixture of the capitalist state becoming more authoritarian, less wealth for the average American and a bigger war....I predict this will happen within the next 15 years.

[The Vegan Marxist]

I realize very few people actually take Beck seriously... but I just can't help but really, really, hate his face. I believe I hate him more than any other creature on this planet. I used to think Bill o'reilly was batshit crazy. Then I watched Glenn Beck. He actually makes O'Reilly look almost sane.

The internet must remain open.

Very few? I think more people need to take this fucker seriously. When you have someone, as popular to the right-wingers, like Glenn Beck that supports things like the killings of "progressives" & is able to spew so much blatant propaganda without getting called out on, I think we need to take him seriously. He's a threat & we need to see him as such.

[x371322]

Very few? I think more people need to take this fucker seriously. When you have someone, as popular to the right-wingers, like Glenn Beck that supports things like the killings of "progressives" & is able to spew so much blatant propaganda without getting called out on, I think we need to take him seriously. He's a threat & we need to see him as such.

I think you misrepresented my point. I didn't say he shouldn't be taken seriously, I said that too few do. It's obvious he's only about the ratings, and no one other than the tea baggers gives a shit about anything he says. Even most conservatives I've talked to (and there are plenty of 'em here in KY) agree that the man's got problems. My dad is a major right wing guy, and can't stand Beck either. He said he doesn't trust him.

I totally agree that he should be taken seriously though. He's got way too much an audience not to be taken seriously.

[¿Que?]

The telecoms are basically challenging those big rivals who have built their empires on "their" networks. This means that most web content will be controlled by a few corporations, those that control the infrastructure. I don't know why Glenn Beck is getting all huffy about this, except that a guy who writes at the Monthly review spoke out for net neutrality.

[Axle]

Glenn Beck really is turning into the boy who cried Commie.

[Scary Monster]

Glenn Beck reminds me of the ranting Right-wing host (the one who was assassinated by V) of that political commentary show in the movie V for Vendetta.

And I was wondering when the conservatives were gonna try and start fucking around with the internet. Ive always thought how the internet is the single most important way to get ideas and information freely circulated (duh), and so, is one of the biggest threats to capitalism, yet the closet fascists had never made a move to contain it.

Just like Wolf said, everyone is saying the next economic crisis will be more disastrous than before, and the western government hawks have their eyes on Iran. This combined with the possibility that the internet will be effectively controlled, will quite possibly make the next decades pretty fucking crazy. But then again, this could all turn out to be a bunch of BS.

[Red Commissar]

If you guys are interested in seeing Beck's comments

Beck clip starts at 1:25
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[CartCollector]

At the root of it all is the Lockean capitalist mentality that the people must be kept from true democracy at all costs- the appearance of democracy has been crafted - not true democracy itself.Do you have any passages from Locke's writings that show that he supports this view? Do you know of an article or book on this subject? I've never heard that Locke himself supported censorship.

[Chambered Word]

'Free press isn't about free speech, it's about Marxism. It's about silencing dissent.'

http://www.chameleon-graphics.co.uk/_MediaHelpPage/SmashKeyboard2.jpg

Is anyone going to listen to him? Really? Science help us all. :rolleyes:

[Red Commissar]

'Free press isn't about free speech, it's about Marxism. It's about silencing dissent.'

http://www.chameleon-graphics.co.uk/_MediaHelpPage/SmashKeyboard2.jpg

Is anyone going to listen to him? Really? Science help us all. :rolleyes:

People'll believe him. Remember, he's putting on an act to appeal to a certain segment of the American population.

[x371322]

Does anyone else actually kind of hope a republican president wins in 2012? If nothing else than to shut these idiots up? Maybe if Palin wins, tea baggers will fade away from public view, for a while at least. I'm sick of these fucks.

You know, this has probably been said before, but we should start our own "Vodka Party" movement. :laugh:

[Red Commissar]

I think in regards to net neutrality that won't help much.

The thing is though with this case is what it has told the FCC is that in its current form it has no right to do that to corporations. This is not surprising as the FCC has been fairly vague on what it can or can't do on the internet.

This will send the FCC back to the drawing board and probably draft up a proposal over what it can do in regards to the internet. When comcast first appealed this case after the first court ruled in the FCC's favor, I'd imagine they were already getting ready to better clarify in their documents what they do.

[Hexen]

I think I found a very important article...

http://www.marxist.com/capitalism-internet-patents130306.htm

As I do realize, as long that capitalism exists the internet will be inevitably censored/controlled (last time I heard, the internet was actually put out by accident I think thus I don't think we never had any rights all along but quickly took advantage of it...) unless we have established socialism then we don't have to worry about it happening at all...(and even the internet itself is a socialist trait and do you really think our capitalist society will allow that? Of course not, their always going to find a way to get it under their control and hence to get things 'back they once before' hence their a perfect definition of a reactionary....which is what they actually are.)

I guess this is one of the reasons why need a revolution as soon as possible but I do notice (or have a idea) that things have to get unbearably worse (bad economy, workers barely having 'freedoms' left, possible bankruptcy in society, etc) before there can be one although my major fear is the current trend of libertarianism as being the new "anti-establishment" and the Red Scare/McCarthyism/Cold War/Glen Beck propaganda may have doomed humanity to repeat the same mistakes over and over again as if the capitalists are actually very clever bastards of maintaining their sick ideal of society...Gets to show the manipulative (and self-serving parasitical) modus operandi of the captialists themselves and the sad part is that many people fall for this shit as they reap the rewards and the process repeats...

[RadioRaheem84]

How come the media is allowed to go to the extreme right like with Glenn Beck and the Fox Gang but the same cannot be done with the left wing in this country? :confused:

That shifts the rest of the news to the center, amputating the left from the debate.

Now people assume that Obama and Clinton represent the "left".

[x371322]

How come the media is allowed to go to the extreme right like with Glenn Beck and the Fox Gang but the same cannot be done with the left wing in this country? :confused:

That shifts the rest of the news to the center, amputating the left from the debate.

Now people assume that Obama and Clinton represent the "left".

So maybe we need our own Glenn Beck? And our own Fox News?

[CartCollector]

'Free press isn't about free speech, it's about Marxism. It's about silencing dissent.'

http://www.chameleon-graphics.co.uk/_MediaHelpPage/SmashKeyboard2.jpg

Is anyone going to listen to him? Really? Science help us all. :rolleyes:

Next on Glenn Beck: Why 'war' is really peace and what those liberal socialist communist fascist Marxists call 'freedom' is really slavery.

That said, yes people are going to listen to him, because they believe that anything that involves the Big Bad Government regulating businesses is inherently bad and inefficient. There is a segment of the American population who, despite their ramblings about 'liberty' and 'freedom', are completely OK with tyranny as long as the tyrant buys their power.

[RadioRaheem84]

So maybe we need our own Glenn Beck? And our own Fox News?

What I am saying is that, a bat shit crazy right wing propagandist is allowed to be broadcast on a new show while civil discourse among leftists is barred from the airwaves.

The media is allowed to go the extreme right and muddle the political spectrum, but anyone to the left of moderate democrats is somehow a "far left" loon that will never be aired on national tv.

...and then the media gets branded as "the liberal media".

[Hexen]

...and then the media gets branded as "the liberal media".

Maybe they actually mean 'liberalism' as in one of the capitalist ideologies itself...that would probably make sense since the capitalists sort of have their own euphemisms and their own vocabulary designed for themselves while they use it to trick workers to have them believe something else than it actually is...it's rather tricky and don't let their words fool you...

It's exactly the same when they say words like "freedom" "liberty" "individual", etc their actually talking about themselves or their own class (the Ruling Classes) not the working classes...

Also the reason they only allow centrists/right-wingers in major news outlets gets to show who really controls the means of production since remember this a capitalist society...

[x371322]

What I am saying is that, a bat shit crazy right wing propagandist is allowed to be broadcast on a new show while civil discourse among leftists is barred from the airwaves.

The media is allowed to go the extreme right and muddle the political spectrum, but anyone to the left of moderate democrats is somehow a "far left" loon that will never be aired on national tv.

...and then the media gets branded as "the liberal media".

That's true. Its bullshit... but what are we supposed to do about it? Why can't Glenn just get caught in some kind of drug or sex scandal? Anything to ruin his career. That would make my day. :D

[Axle]

So maybe we need our own Glenn Beck? And our own Fox News?

I know what you mean, but we need to hold ourselves to a much higher standard than them. As much as we need and want that popular support, it shouldn't be coming from mindless drones who are only on our side because some clown said they have to be.

Propaganda is important for us, too...but so is being correctly informed.

[Scary Monster]

Propaganda is important for us, too...but so is being correctly informed.

This is exactly what seperates us from the right wingers. We use facts and education to gain support. They rely on emotion, libel/slander and moronic lies :cool:

[x371322]

I know what you mean, but we need to hold ourselves to a much higher standard than them. As much as we need and want that popular support, it shouldn't be coming from mindless drones who are only on our side because some clown said they have to be.

Propaganda is important for us, too...but so is being correctly informed.

Okay, so we need someone like Beck, in that they can popularize the movement, but someone who at the same time, is also a decent human being.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Does anyone else actually kind of hope a republican president wins in 2012? If nothing else than to shut these idiots up? Maybe if Palin wins, tea baggers will fade away from public view, for a while at least. I'm sick of these fucks.

You know, this has probably been said before, but we should start our own "Vodka Party" movement. :laugh:

I'd be a little frightened for my life if someone like Palin or Beck came about as president. We'd soon be witnessing another "Red Scare", & I feel, this time, it'll be within militant measures. You'll be seeing me leaving for Venezuela.

[x371322]

I'd be a little frightened for my life if someone like Palin or Beck came about as president. We'd soon be witnessing another "Red Scare", & I feel, this time, it'll be within militant measures. You'll be seeing me leaving for Venezuela.

That's a good point. I might should start brushing up on my spanish just in case.

[CartCollector]

Okay, so we need someone like Beck, in that they can popularize the movement, but someone who at the same time, is also a decent human being.
Yeah, problem is, they'd be thrown in jail or shot. Just look at what happened to Debs, Malcolm X, and many Black Panthers.

[x371322]

Yeah, problem is, they'd be thrown in jail or shot. Just look at what happened to Debs, Malcolm X, and many Black Panthers.

Yeah like Fred Hampton. Good point. Every time someone on the left starts to become popular and make some headway, they get shot. It's a grim outlook.

[Wolf Larson]

Do you have any passages from Locke's writings that show that he supports this view? Do you know of an article or book on this subject? I've never heard that Locke himself supported censorship.
You need to understand the larger point behind attacking net neutrality- it's so the media can continue the agenda of manufacturing consent for crony capitalist policies and the state has always been the capitalists tool not ours-the government doesn't exist to "secure our rights". Locke said repeatedly the people should never be given true democracy because he saw us as "leet-men", unworthy of decision making power, we were all the ignorant masses who are prone to vice and folly in Locke's eyes. So, the fact that him and the subsequent founding fathers shared this view means that the media has always existed to manufacture consent for the ruling classes agenda. The internet is slowly chipping away at the ruling classes ability to manipulate the American mind - hence the push to regulate it and thus regain complete control over the flow of information, back to one generic prepackaged edited and homogeneous story line in support of corporate war policies. They don't want a truly enlightened public- they never have wanted that. An educated public would lead to democracy and perhaps socialism and both the state [political] and the capitalist system are one entity.

I can explain this better with some quotes from Locke, Madison, Franklin, Jay etc when I have the time.

[RadioRaheem84]

The Black Libertation Movement, guys like Malcolm X were brilliant speakers that conveyed their message in a lucid manner that appealed to the general public and students. This is what's needed today.

The closest person to the right type of rhetoric we need out there today is Michael Parenti. He is such a clear, exciting and rousing speaker that I have yet to hear anyone stir me up as much as him.

But yes, I also fear a hard right Republican ticket for '12. That would change the scenerio in a frightening way. With the war escalating in India against the Maoists and the propaganda war against Chavez, we can see the right wingers turning the camera on to leftists in the US and using the whole terrorism label to induce another red scare.

I too would make the trip to Venezuela if such a thing happens.