Post Revolution Job Incentives

[JAH23]

After the revolution, how would we entice people to do all the 'dirty work' of society? Marxism is against the alienation of humans and their labor, so how would we get people to be janitors or sewage cleaners? Surely, nobody wants to do these things, they would rather do something they have a passion for.

[danyboy27]

Gulag, and the Will of the people and the vanguard leadership of course!.



on a more serious note, Many boring job could be automated, Wich mean less boring job and more cool job (engineer, mechanic.).

Meanwhile, Some extra labor voucher could be distributed to do those shitty jobs.

Communities could also monthly organize chores, and at the end of day somebody could throw a party or a BBQ.

[JAH23]

Or maybe like jury duty, and every so often you are summoned to do the shit work. But, I like the idea of it being automated. :)

[theblackmask]

Or maybe like jury duty, and every so often you are summoned to do the shit work. But, I like the idea of it being automated. :)

Why not both? A policy of sharing, with an end goal of eliminating, less desirable jobs sounds sensible.

[Dr Mindbender]

I have nailed it in this thread (http://www.revleft.com/vb/should-everyone-have-t132829/index.html).

[ArrowLance]

After the revolution, how would we entice people to do all the 'dirty work' of society? Marxism is against the alienation of humans and their labor, so how would we get people to be janitors or sewage cleaners? Surely, nobody wants to do these things, they would rather do something they have a passion for.

I don't think you are quite on base. Plenty of people are interested in physical work\solitary work and would be willing to do things such as you mentioned. I personally enjoy janitorial work and so does my mother, just as an example of what I mean.

Further, obviously people want to do something they have a passion for, but positions may not be available. A viable solution (only one of many i'm sure) is some sort of rotation.

[JacobVardy]

I suspect there will be penal element in some jobs. You take a drunken shit in a communal veggie garden, or some other misdemeanor and i'd suspect you'd get garbage duty for a week or so.

[CartCollector]

Parecon has an interesting answer to this problem. It says that people should have a form of job rotation called 'balanced job complexes.' They're groups of jobs that, when combined with each other, are as empowering as everyone else's. So no one would be able to monopolize the exciting, stimulating, and/or safe work and force the majority to do boring, alienating, and/or dangerous work. This has side benefits: it encourages everyone to work to reduce the amount of necessary menial labor, since doing less of it in safer conditions is in everyone's interests (less crappy work for everyone). Also, it makes voting on worker's councils better and improves solidarity, since everyone shares the same work conditions.

[Crusade]

Parecon has an interesting answer to this problem. It says that people should have a form of job rotation called 'balanced job complexes.' They're groups of jobs that, when combined with each other, are as empowering as everyone else's. So no one would be able to monopolize the exciting, stimulating, and/or safe work and force the majority to do boring, alienating, and/or dangerous work. This has side benefits: it encourages everyone to work to reduce the amount of necessary menial labor, since doing less of it in safer conditions is in everyone's interests (less crappy work for everyone). Also, it makes voting on worker's councils better and improves solidarity, since everyone shares the same work conditions.

It breaks my heart that the Parecon group on revleft isn't as popular as it should be. :(

[MarxSchmarx]

It breaks my heart that the Parecon group on revleft isn't as popular as it should be. :(

I find this actually quite beneficial. Why should those ideas be discussed only within the confines of a gropu instead of more broadly in places like the economics forum where they get far more exposure?