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Rusty Shackleford
9th April 2010, 13:25
link www.ginandtacos.com/2009/11/12/institutionalizing-sociopathy/ (http://www.revleft.com/vb/www.ginandtacos.com/2009/11/12/institutionalizing-sociopathy/)
stumbleupon is pretty nifty

INSTITUTIONALIZING SOCIOPATHY (http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/11/12/institutionalizing-sociopathy/)

My opinions about Ayn Rand have been stated unambiguously (http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/03/10/seriously-fuck-ayn-rand/). There is no silver lining to anything Rand, not her infantile "philosophy", sub-Twilight writing skills, or legions of socially retarded acolytes who devote their "lives" to annoying the living shit out of the rest of the world and wondering what it would be like to talk to a woman. The great thing is that I don't have to pretend differently. It is perfectly acceptable in the academic world to treat Rand's Objectivism like the intellectually bankrupt farce it is. If I say Catholicism is a big pile of bullshit, I will get fired or at least seriously disciplined. If a student makes some Ron Paul argument about abolishing the Fed I am not allowed to laugh at him. But Ayn Rand? She is taken as seriously as astrology. If a student complained I think the people in the Dean's office would hit him with pies.
Objectivism and creationism are two sides of one coin, which explains why no one is obligated to take either seriously in academia. Creationists seek academic validation for their childish beliefs and ignorance. "Intelligent Design" is a feeble attempt to dress up their stupidity as a science. Objectivists similarly seek validation from philosophy departments for their adolescent selfishness and malignant narcissism. Philosophers aren't likely to consider "Being a self-absorbed, delusional prick" to be a coherent belief system on its own, so they call it an -ism in an effort to polish the turd. So far, no dice.
My intuition has always been that Rand herself was essentially a sociopath – not because it is a good, nasty pejorative but because I literally think she fit the characteristics of a sociopath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy). Her novels are thousand-page catalogs of warning signs. Rapes, murders, bombings, and mass killings of innocent nobodies, only to have the author reveal that they are not innocent at all. Every victim deserves it in Rand's fiction and every protagonist is a borderline psychotic who is utterly incapable of feeling love or kindness toward anyone but himself. She exalts mass murderers, sexual deviants, egomaniacs, and flat-out assholes. Her books don't feel like novels. They feel like the revenge fantasies of the 12 year old fat kid who everyone picks on and nobody befriends as he silently fumes in study hall, doodling violence in the margins of his notebook and hatching a plot to make everyone worship him or else.
Two new biographies of Rand have been released, Goddess of the Market by Jennifer Burns and Ayn Rand and the World She Made by Anne Heller. Both are ably parsed in this outstanding review by Johann Hari (http://www.slate.com/id/2233966/). I cannot recommend it strongly enough. In short, the biographers provide all of the evidence I'd ever need to support the hypothesis that Rand was Ted Bundy with a bigger vocabulary and enough self control to avoid crossing the line into serial killer territory herself.
A Russian Jew from a broken home with an aristocratic mother, "Rand" fled the Bolshiveks (after developing a deep hatred for the way their ideology upset her world of servants and leisure) to Hollywood and set about creating a movement that diametrically opposed Communism. Selfishness was praised, kindness was derided, and vast swaths of humanity were written off as "lice" fit only for disgust and extermination. But the overarching irony to Rand's entire silly career is how completely she embraced the worst excesses of Soviet Communism in developing her "Institute" and career as a philosopher and idol – authoritarianism, absolute prohibition of dissent, and a cult of personality that would embarrass Stalin, Hoxha, Kim, and Turkmenbashi. Because she was a shitty writer her novels were filled with characters who were ham-fisted stand ins for herself, characters who suffered the same basic contradiction and psychological disorder: overwhelming hatred for almost everyone on Earth coupled with a desperate, deep-seated psychological need to be liked. But Rand did not simply need to be liked. She needed to be worshiped in ways befitting the demigod she believed she was.
When she got addicted to uppers in her later life it is an interesting coincidence that both she and her insular cult of acolytes began resembling another great charlatan of the 20th Century – L. Ron Hubbard and his "movement." The high priestess of spiritual and intellectual freedom surrounded herself with sycophants and worshipers from whom she tolerated not the slightest bit of dissent. Expressing any individuality in the world of the great individualist herself was forbidden. Most sociopaths and narcissists inevitably turn into a parody of themselves as the followers they worked so hard to brainwash wander away one by one. In Rand's case she became a parody of what she claimed to despise, dying alone and unloved in her tiny cult where conformity and fanatical devotion to the Ideology were taken to levels that no Bolshivek could have imagined possible.
Thus will it be for everyone who subscribes to her sorry excuse for a belief system. But unlike The Master herself, the great unwashed masses of teabagging Objectivists truly will die alone and unable to delude themselves into thinking they commanded the army of acolytes they felt they deserved.

Chambered Word
9th April 2010, 13:40
I don't want to read anything by Rand at the moment. I got through a few pages of 'Liberal Fascism' and raged like a mofo.

Jimmie Higgins
9th April 2010, 13:42
Why can't I thank this post:lol:. Man I hate ayn rand followers.

Rusty Shackleford
9th April 2010, 13:47
there was another rant by the same author titled "Seriously, Fuck Ayn Rand" its a good read too :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Raúl Duke
9th April 2010, 19:16
:lol:
I like the "seriously, fuck ayn rand" even more.

Tablo
9th April 2010, 23:04
I don't want to read anything by Rand at the moment. I got through a few pages of 'Liberal Fascism' and raged like a mofo.
My mom bought that book for me. It was complete garbage.

praxis1966
10th April 2010, 01:29
Shit is fuckin' dope. I love it. I literally burst into hysterical laughter at the 'Seriously, Fuck Ayn Rand' bit.

mikelepore
10th April 2010, 03:22
My intuition has always been that Rand herself was essentially a sociopath - not because it is a good, nasty pejorative but because I literally think she fit the characteristics of a sociopath.

"Sociopathic" is the same word that popped into my mind, years ago, when I first learned about the existence of that political movement in which, when they want to pay someone a compliment, they say "you're selfish", and when they want to insult someone, they say "you're an altruist." Definitely sociopathic.

Chambered Word
10th April 2010, 13:33
My mom bought that book for me. It was complete garbage.

Did you actually manage to get through the whole thing?

Oh boy, I'm gonna go read Ayn Rand and compare eachother to see which was worse.

Bilan
10th April 2010, 15:02
That was amazing.

Tablo
10th April 2010, 18:40
Did you actually manage to get through the whole thing?

Oh boy, I'm gonna go read Ayn Rand and compare eachother to see which was worse.
Nope. There is a limit to my bullshit consumption and the first few paragraphs were enough to overload me. :lol:

Ismail
11th April 2010, 03:12
Oh boy, I'm gonna go read Ayn Rand and compare eachother to see which was worse.Rand. Rand is a thousand times worse. Liberal Fascism is just dumb conservative ranting about liberals with genuine notes that the New Deal was inspired by Fascism to an extent* presented in the dumbest way possible.

Ayn Rand was a horrible philosopher who actually has a serious following of people who treat her as a great source of knowledge in virtually every field of learning.

A good video of Rand talking about the Middle East if you want to get enraged: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU

* http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/rise_of_american_fascism.htm


The State Department, as late as 1937, praised Italian Fascism stating that it "brought order out of chaos, discipline out of license, and solvency out of bankruptcy." The State Department continued to embrace fascism because of its anti-Communist position. Italy and Germany were being "made safe" by the fascists for American investment, and this is what was important in economic terms, especially during the Great Depression in America....

Despite the Popular Front backing of the New Deal though, Marxists continued to criticize the plan as essentially American fascism. Whether or not their charges were correct or not is actually beside the point, the point is that the New Deal does not represent left-wing socialist ideology, as is often thought, and despite the apparent support for the New Deal by left-wing political groups, much of that support actually came more in the form of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" type support, Roosevelt and his New Deal being the enemy of European fascism.

Raúl Duke
11th April 2010, 15:57
I actually had a dream recently...
it was WWII.
My mission was to assassinate Ayn Rand, who was a leader of an evil empire.

RED DAVE
11th April 2010, 16:46
I've post this is a lot of threads about Rand. I apologize if you've read it before. It's an edited version of something I wrote about Rand in 2001. It's a little biased, but what the fuck!

Enjoy.


Sometime in the late 1950s or early 1960s two similar books were published. One was Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and the other was Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure by John Cleland. The former is an immensely long (I think it's longer than War and Peace), silly book by a crack-pot, philosopher-novelist. The latter is a late-Enlightenment picaresque dirty novel more commonly known as Fanny Hill.

Both are stroke books. Both appeal to the feverish sensibilities of 17-year-old males and not very sophisticated ones at that. (Sophisticated guys back then were reading Crime and Punishment and de Sade's novels.) Anyone who takes Ayn Rand's book (or the rest of her work) seriously is still engaging in a wank, whether political, philosophical, literary or economic (this last variety is currently quite popular, endless porn on the Internet notwithstanding). Anyone using Cleland's book for what it was obvious written for is engaged in an honest act.

For readers much past 17, neither book has much merit. But both are good for some kind of a jerk-off, should you choose to indulge. I confess to have wasted a few hours when I was young and foolish trying to read Atlas Shrugged. Its style places it somewhere around the average woman's magazine fiction of its day such as appeared in Woman's Home Companion. I gave it up after about page 25. Fanny Hill was a more constant companion when I was still too uptight to approach the opposite sex.

No one has ever taken Cleland's book seriously (although any book banned for 200 years can't be all bad). But, incredibly, people did and do take Ayn Rand so. I saw her once at NYU, about 1962. She was a shrill, unfortunately ugly woman (her photographs don't do her justice: she looked like the Wicked Witch of the West's ugly sister). She was not well received politically when she dismissed the Civil Rights Movement as a violation of the right of employers to discriminate!

Nor was her fervent advocacy of the cause of some GE executives just jailed for price fixing on a massive scale received with much sympathy, nor was her complicity with McCarthyism, which was noted by speakers from the floor. A few months later her boy-toy Nathaniel Branden made an appearance. He was better looking, but his presentation of the philosophy of Objectivism didn't exactly set off fireworks.

Nowadays, Rand's various works are somewhat the rage. As long as self-indulgence, selfishness, racism and other neat stuff is popular, Rand will be read. How can you argue with Alan Greenspan's favorite scribe? Bill Gates probably has a copy of Atlas Shrugged by his bed like Stalin had a copy of Machiavelli.

Me, if I want to go that route I prefer Fanny Hill.RED DAVE

ÑóẊîöʼn
11th April 2010, 17:13
I remember starting to read Atlas Shrugged, but I don't remember finishing it. I think I must have got bored and gone off to do something else, like trying to set fire to the garden.

...What?

AerodynamicOwl
14th April 2010, 02:01
I remember starting to read Atlas Shrugged, but I don't remember finishing it. I think I must have got bored and gone off to do something else, like trying to set fire to the garden.

...What?

That book burns pretty evenly all the way across.

Comrade B
14th April 2010, 07:09
we are apparently going to read Rand at some point in my philosophy class... I think Utilitarianism is probably the most popular theory by the students (and teacher) in that class, so this should be interesting

Rusty Shackleford
14th April 2010, 17:35
we are apparently going to read Rand at some point in my philosophy class... I think Utilitarianism is probably the most popular theory by the students (and teacher) in that class, so this should be interesting
utilitarianism?

Comrade B
14th April 2010, 17:50
utilitarianism- Bentham and Mill, greatest good for the greatest number of people

Rusty Shackleford
14th April 2010, 17:59
utilitarianism- Bentham and Mill, greatest good for the greatest number of people
ill have to look it up. theres only so many isms i can look at at once lol

Comrade B
14th April 2010, 20:01
heh, it is a pretty good philosophy, though J.S. Mill is often associated with liberalism, but he really doesn't talk about economic liberalism at all, he is more about free speech

I don't agree with everything in utilitarianism, but I like a lot of the ideas from it, for example, your personal worth is no more than that of any other individual.
It pretty much throws out the idea of integrity though, which I would usually agree with on (integrity tends to favor the lucky and privileged), but this also means supporting the lesser evil in a case where good does not stand a chance. While I will not criticize someone harshly for supporting the lesser evil, I personally would prefer to have my hands clean of a vote for Obama.

Morphiddle
26th April 2010, 17:50
I've got a copy of the Fountainhead next to me on my bed right now. I bought it from a charity shop and will burn it after I've finished to ensure the continued existence of charity shops.

Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor
26th April 2010, 19:04
Wow Comrade B, do you have a prof that supports utilitarianism? I don't think I've ever had a philosophy class where the majority of people supported utilitarianism. It's always Kantianism. We never study Rand (thankfully).

Utilitarianism supports a lesser evil when it maximizes utility. If it makes you happier not to vote, you are maximizing utility by doing that. Also, it is not actually an inevitability that someone will be elected. Revolutions start when people stop accepting inevitability and realize they are the mechanism of change. Also, there are arguments against voting from a utilitarian perspective. Your vote is worth very little, and you could make a larger difference by doing something else with the time.

Comrade B
28th April 2010, 08:35
My professor for philosophy 101 is a socialist, she does little to hide it, she says she doesn't agree with utilitarianism, but she agrees with it quite a bit and will defend it against right wingers. I think utilitarianism could be used pretty well to justify the CWI stance on voting for the green party actually, now that I think about it... I will probably still vote for the PSL though, just because I agree with the more


(drunk post, sincerest apologies if I fucked up here)

Chambered Word
29th April 2010, 09:35
I've got a copy of the Fountainhead next to me on my bed right now. I bought it from a charity shop and will burn it after I've finished to ensure the continued existence of charity shops.

Didn't the people running the shop appreciate the irony? :lol:

Bilan
29th April 2010, 10:03
Wow Comrade B, do you have a prof that supports utilitarianism? I don't think I've ever had a philosophy class where the majority of people supported utilitarianism. It's always Kantianism. We never study Rand (thankfully).

Utilitarianism supports a lesser evil when it maximizes utility. If it makes you happier not to vote, you are maximizing utility by doing that. Also, it is not actually an inevitability that someone will be elected. Revolutions start when people stop accepting inevitability and realize they are the mechanism of change. Also, there are arguments against voting from a utilitarian perspective. Your vote is worth very little, and you could make a larger difference by doing something else with the time.

No rational person can actually be a Kantianist. His categorical imperative is absurd, and openly a priori. Seriously.

Comrade B
29th April 2010, 17:15
Rand got dropped because we needed to cover important philosophers... hehe...

Rusty Shackleford
29th April 2010, 18:39
rand got dropped because we needed to cover important philosophers... Hehe...
zing!

Durruti's Ghost
2nd May 2010, 02:56
No rational person can actually be a Kantianist. His categorical imperative is absurd, and openly a priori. Seriously.

Truth.

Axel1917
4th May 2010, 06:04
I have been thinking of getting cheap, used copies of Ayn Rand's nonsense and reading that crap just to find out how bad it really happens to be when I have more spare time. I just hope I don't suffer from any kind of eye or brain damage in the process.

The blog post was a bit funny, though. I also love how Randites rant about "Objectivism" when Rand's works can be found on the fiction shelf in bookstores.

InuyashaKnight
4th May 2010, 06:11
Lol this makes me laugh.

Comrade B
4th May 2010, 21:10
I have been thinking of getting cheap, used copies of Ayn Rand's nonsense and reading that crap just to find out how bad it really happens to be when I have more spare time.
I sort of had the same idea, just that I planned on replacing my toilet paper and paper towels with her books. Also, my desk is kind of wobbly and it might be a good idea to pull out a few papers to use as support

Chambered Word
5th May 2010, 15:19
I have been thinking of getting cheap, used copies of Ayn Rand's nonsense and reading that crap just to find out how bad it really happens to be when I have more spare time. I just hope I don't suffer from any kind of eye or brain damage in the process.

The blog post was a bit funny, though. I also love how Randites rant about "Objectivism" when Rand's works can be found on the fiction shelf in bookstores.

If you really want to read them one day, download them. Don't bother buying that dog shit.

Comrade B
5th May 2010, 21:38
So I heard that one of the protagonists in one of her novels was based on a man who kidnapped a girl, killed her, taxidermied her and tried to ransom her corpse to her father pretending that she was still alive...
Ayn Rand apparently thought that this person was admirable for his lack of concern for others and his self interest