Football quiz

[Bandito]

I'll ask the first question, and whoever gets it right, can ask the new one.

Here we go:

Who is the only player that scored a hattrick in all 4 divisions of English football?

[RedAnarchist]

Robert Earnshaw.

What war was caused by a football match?

[Bandito]

Bravo, RA.

Balkan wars were triggered by a football match, but the reasons of the war are far deeper, as i explained in this post (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1606026&postcount=4). But if you know something that I don't know... :)

[RedAnarchist]

Bravo, RA.

Balkan wars were triggered by a football match, but the reasons of the war are far deeper, as i explained in this post (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1606026&postcount=4). But if you know something that I don't know... :)


Not that one, although I never knew that about the Balkan wars.

[Tifosi]

What war was caused by a football match?

The football war, El Salvador vs Honduras

[Coggeh]

Name one english manager to win the premiership.

[Bandito]

That's easy, Howard Wilkinson with Leeds United in the 1991-92 season. He was the last, if you count out Kenny Daglish for being born in Glasgow.

[Tifosi]

Hey! Coggeh, I think it was my turn:p:p

So... When did Independiente, of Argentina win their first Copa Libertadores?

[No pasarán]

That's easy, Howard Wilkinson with Leeds United in the 1991-92 season. He was the last, if you count out Kenny Daglish for being born in Glasgow.

Kenny is a Scotsman, not english.

[Bandito]

Hey! Coggeh, I think it was my turn:p:p

So... When did Independiente, of Argentina win their first Copa Libertadores?
We're all euro-centrists here when it comes to football. :)
But the answer is 1964.

Are there any players in England outside of the Premiership who have won the Champions League?

[A.J.]

That's easy, Howard Wilkinson with Leeds United in the 1991-92 season. He was the last, if you count out Kenny Daglish for being born in Glasgow.

You're wrong. 1991-92 was the last season of the old Football League Division 1. The Premier League/Premiership only commenced the following season, 1992-93.

No English manager has ever won the Premier League to date.

[Redmau5]

That's easy, Howard Wilkinson with Leeds United in the 1991-92 season. He was the last, if you count out Kenny Daglish for being born in Glasgow.

Howard Wilkinson didn't win the Premiership. It was the English First Division back then.

[Bandito]

You're right. But I still had the right to ask the question over the Indepediente reply.:p
And it seems like nobody can't think of anyone. Hint:there are two of them.

[Devrim]

Balkan wars were triggered by a football match, but the reasons of the war are far deeper, as i explained in this post (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1606026&postcount=4). But if you know something that I don't know... :)

I remember this vaguely. I saw it on TV. Was the captain of Red Star kicking a policeman?

Do you have any links about it as I am supposed to be writing an article about football and nationalism at the moment?

Thanks,

Devrim

[Bandito]

The event happened on 13.05.1990.
The nationalistic tensions were rising and two clubs, Dinamo Zagreb and Red Star from Belgrade had the most extreme nationalists of all clubs in that last championship in ex-Yugoslavia. It's important to note that the leader of Red Star's firm, Delije, was Zeljko Raznatovic, commonly known as Arkan, who was a well-known criminal at the time, and who later led the paramilitary fraction called Arkan's Tigers during the war.
He needs a few lines on his own.

His group mainly consisted of Belgrade's tough guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb_Volunteer_Guard) (read:filthy criminals,rapists and murderers) and was well-known at the time for war crimes and pillaging. After the war, he became a true mob leader, and a millionaire, and married the folk music icon. Later he bought a second division football club "Obilic" that not only clinched promotion, but also won the serbian Championship the next year. Funny, huh? When he was eventually killed by a rival gang, fascist Lazio fans "Irriducibili" honored him (http://www.ultraslazio.it/striscioni%5Carkan.jpg).

About the match.

Croatian club's officials urged Red Star fans not to come in Zagreb, but Arkan, who already then worked for Milosevic's secret police, organized fans to come. And they came. Thousands of them with only one thing in their mind-to start a nationalistic riot. Which they did like you can see in this video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXr1Z-MiApo&feature=player_embedded#%21).
Basically, the Red Star fans started breaking plastic chairs and throwing them on Dinamo's fans. It should also be noted that Dinamo's fans were as well very nationalistic and inspired by fascist Ustasha movement during the WW2. So, no point in saying that they didn't hit back. And...there was a riot which caused the game to stop, and later the Championship broke down. That was the first clash of Serbs and Croats that showed that war in inevitabile.
The player who kicked the policeman was not captain of Red Star, but the best Dinamo player, who later became very popular in Europe, as he played for AC Milan for 10 years. And, may I add, despite being a nationalistic prick, he was a wonderful player. I'm sure you remember him, Devrim, it's Zvonimir Boban (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zvonimir_Boban). The video of him kicking the police officer is here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAt2oIJ8Lec). The incident made Boban a Croatian nationalist hero, but it also earned him a suspension from the Yugoslav national team causing him to miss the 1990 World Cup.

There is also a Wikipedia article on this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinamo_Zagreb%E2%80%93Red_Star_Belgrade_riot

Partizan Belgrade's fans rioted in Zagreb during a match with Dinamo a year earlier. The video from that match is here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MTHjXTexeg&feature=related)

If you need any more details for your article, feel free to ask, I'll do my best to help you out. That is a very good subject to write about, and plenty of Balkan examples to fill it.

[Devrim]

Thanks for your help, Bandito.


That is a very good subject to write about, and plenty of Balkan examples to fill it.

Yes, it is not specifically about the Balkans. It is more about nationalism and international football in general with the world cup coming up and that. I was going to start with some stuff about the recent problems between Egypt and Algeria, talk about how nationalism is used to mobilise people behind the state, give a few historical examples, the one you mention, the 'Soccer War' in central America, and maybe the time when some English fans were murdered here, which was pretty shocking, particularly the media reaction to it.


The player who kicked the policeman was not captain of Red Star, but the best Dinamo player, who later became very popular in Europe, as he played for AC Milan for 10 years. And, may I add, despite being a nationalistic prick, he was a wonderful player. I'm sure you remember him, Devrim, it's Zvonimir Boban (http://www.anonym.to/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zvonimir_Boban).

Yes, I do of course. he wasn't that famous at the time though obviously.


If you need any more details for your article, feel free to ask, I'll do my best to help you out. That is a very good subject to write about, and plenty of Balkan examples to fill it.

I think that is enough on this event. Thanks for the offer and your help though, and if you have any more good Balkan examples, I would be grateful to hear about them.

Devrim

[praxis1966]

If you're looking for other examples, you could discuss how the Barcelona-Real Madrid rivalry was for a long time an on pitch manifestation of the Spanish Civil War. Franco was a devout supporter of Real Madrid, and I've even read that there were rumors that under him they received government funding (which allowed them to win all those European Cups back in the late 50s). Frankly, what it amounted to was punishment of anarcho-syndicalist CGT and Catalunyan nationalists who opposed Franco's Nationalists during the war and happened to be supporters of Barcelona.

If you wanted, you could also talk about the Celtic-Rangers derby (the Old Firm) and how that ties up into Irish Republicanism v Protestant Loyalism in the Six Counties.

[Devrim]

Franco was a devout supporter of Real Madrid, and I've even read that there were rumors that under him they received government funding

As if they still don't get subsidised by the state. Real covered a lot of their debts recently by selling their training ground and receiving a use of a new one purposely built for them for free from the municipality.


anarcho-syndicalist CGT

I think you mean CNT. CGT is a recent split.


Catalunyan nationalists

Interestingly enough Joan Laporta, the President of Barcelona recently started to talk about standing for election immediately after Barcelona's 2-0 victory in El Clásico.

Devrim

[praxis1966]

As if they still don't get subsidised by the state. Real covered a lot of their debts recently by selling their training ground and receiving a use of a new one purposely built for them for free from the municipality.

Fair enough. But this happens in alot of places and in alot of sports. There are oftentimes government subsidies that go to pay for new stadiums because they're seen as an economic benefit to the surrounding areas. What I was referring to was the obscene amount of preferential treatment Real received back then. As far as debt coverage, I couldn't say what that was about. I'd be curious to know whether Barcelona (or any other Spanish club, for that matter) has ever received money to that end since the demise of Francoist fascism.


I think you mean CNT. CGT is a recent split.

Again, fair enough. I admit my knowledge of that struggle is still a little spotty. I'm currently reading Anthony Beevor's book on the Spanish Civil War, as I wanted to read a 'mainstream' account of it before I delved into the more partisan writers. Anyhow, as I'm sure you're aware, there are a million and one acronyms involved, so it can sometimes be difficult to keep up (and, obviously, avoid confusing them with bodies currently functional in the modern day).


Interestingly enough Joan Laporta, the President of Barcelona recently started to talk about standing for election immediately after Barcelona's 2-0 victory in El Clásico.

Yeah, I think I heard that one, too. Any word on what his personal politics are? Again, admittedly, I'm a little out of the loop where it comes to Spain. I'm much more well versed when it comes to the British Isles and the Americas.

[Devrim]

Fair enough. But this happens in alot of places and in alot of sports. There are oftentimes government subsidies that go to pay for new stadiums because they're seen as an economic benefit to the surrounding areas. What I was referring to was the obscene amount of preferential treatment Real received back then. As far as debt coverage, I couldn't say what that was about. I'd be curious to know whether Barcelona (or any other Spanish club, for that matter) has ever received money to that end since the demise of Francoist fascism.

Of course they were backed by Franco back then. Lots of teams in Spain benefit from municipal/regional support. The real example is only one of the biggest in size. Just because of the way that football is nowadays, I am sure that it is much bigger than any support they got in Franco's era. In this case it is not a Stadium, but a training ground, which of course doesn't bring the same economic benefits.

I think the think is that Spanish football is operating above its means, and keeps itself afloat by being bailed out by local politicians, who don't want to be seen by the voters as the 'Mayor that let the club go bankrupt'.


Yeah, I think I heard that one, too. Any word on what his personal politics are? Again, admittedly, I'm a little out of the loop where it comes to Spain. I'm much more well versed when it comes to the British Isles and the Americas.

He is a Catalonia separatist.

Devrim

[Bandito]

And, still, nobody can think of two players in England outside of the Premiership who have won the Champions League? :D

[Old Guardian]

Nicky Butt, can't think of another one...