help - what exact theory is this?

[punisa]

I heard about rather strange theory the other day and I'm really not sure what to call it, so maybe someone could help me "locate" it.

I guess it sounds like tehnocracy, but maybe I'm wrong.

All in all, this is what this person I know claims:
Revolution will not be carried out by the proletariat masses,
it will be conducted by very educated and intelectual (I personally don't think intelect is a product of education) young people.
Especially tech computer programmers, mathematicians and scientists.
And majority of this "revolutionary" class will be from China, but mostly India.

How will they go on about revolution? Well, they are very smart and they control what is vital in today's market - the information and technology.

Personally, to me this sounds rather ridiculous... But what really puzzles me is what theory or ideology would these ideas fit in?
I doubt classical communist or anarchist would agree with something mentioned above.

But what is even more important - does this even sound like a real feasible theory to you?
I don't wish to judge anyone, but I fail to see how would a person from India who also is a great web developer - be a revolutionary?
Well, my friend argues that it is because people in Inida live very poorly and thus know what it's like and bla bla...
But if indeed this Inidan person gets a highly payed job at Google - how in the world is that making him a revolutionary?

He goes on to explain how these people really care only for their technical and/or scientific work and thus have no need for stupid materialist pleasures we all indulge in.
They all want communism (or similar) so they could go on living in peace and writing their codes.

Again, knowing many web developers myself, I disagree - many of them (not all) are just greedy as anyone else and willing to do anything for money :(

Anyway.. I'd really love to hear from you guys on this one, cause I have a hunch that the converstaion I had with this friend is not going anywhere.

[red cat]

It's a petit bourgeois fairy-tale . :lol:

[punisa]

It's a petit bourgeois fairy-tale . :lol:
right? that is exactly what I kept saying.
But where the hell does this fascination with Indian tech people comes from? It sounds totally bourgeois and unrealistic.

How to debunk this and expose it for what it really is?

[red cat]

right? that is exactly what I kept saying.
But where the hell does this fascination with Indian tech people comes from? It sounds totally bourgeois and unrealistic.

How to debunk this and expose it for what it really is?

Where was this person from ?

[punisa]

Where was this person from ?
Croatia, ex - Yugoslavia. Not India :lol:

[Dean]

Technocracy.

[punisa]

Technocracy.

That's what I was thinking at first. Although the person himself has no idea that his theory might be along the lines of technocracy.

He might be vaguely talking about technocracy, but still - it sounds very bourgeois.

So, should we even "let" these ideas be a reasonable alternative to revolution?
I think f*** not. I doubt exploited workers will be content to hear that a bunch of geeks will soon make it all good, I sincerely doubt it.

Aren't this armchair revolutionaries? Along the lines of opening a Facebook group - "we want a better world" and 10 million people join.
Yeah, 10 million people who couldn't care less.

[syndicat]

well, among certain libertarian marxists there is this talk of the "cognitariat" -- I suspect this is where it leads. but this is a privileged stratum of the working class (in advanced countries, of the middle classes in India). but these elitist ideas have a long history....

[Lynx]

They don't have political power and aren't worshiped so... they will be ignored.

[MarxSchmarx]

Sounds like fabianism to me.

[Invincible Summer]

I guess it sounds like tehnocracy, but maybe I'm wrong.

The only vague resemblance to Technocracy is the mention of the word "technology." I think most Technocrats on the boards here acknowledge that capitalist society cannot provide the proper technological advances for an egalitarian society.

Also, AFAIK, the Technocracy supported by Revlefters does not necessarily advocate "sitting around waiting for technology to save us" or anything like that.

Technocracy is a post-capitalist system, not a revolutionary movement in itself. I think many Revlefters seem to have this wrong.

Posts from prominent Technocrats on Revleft will assert this:

Technocracy does not have as it's goal to supplant any ideology, but rather to serve as a tool for the management of resources in a post-capitalist society


Yes, but this proposal, in order to be enactable, must have an influence on the movements that are to destroy and replace Capitalism in the First World. For instance, I think it is important that continentally based (Anarchist) organisations, both unions and political groups, should be formed in a way that mimics a proposed Technate's geography so that all necessary resources, machinery and people can be secured as quickly as possible

Now the claim that you posted sounds pretty bs, mainly because it doesn't outline how this "revolution" would take place, and the fact that they specifically said it would arise from programmers in India (nothing against the Indian people of course, but it's just really arbitrary and random).


Personally, to me this sounds rather ridiculous... But what really puzzles me is what theory or ideology would these ideas fit in?
I doubt classical communist or anarchist would agree with something mentioned above.
I think it would fit into "small t" technocracy, or maybe even old school Technocracy that was suggested during the Great Depression. But the claims are so vague it's hard to say.


But what is even more important - does this even sound like a real feasible theory to you?
I don't wish to judge anyone, but I fail to see how would a person from India who also is a great web developer - be a revolutionary?
Well, my friend argues that it is because people in Inida live very poorly and thus know what it's like and bla bla...
But if indeed this Inidan person gets a highly payed job at Google - how in the world is that making him a revolutionary?

One's economic position doesn't necessarily mean they are any less revolutionary. I understand that it makes them less likely to want to risk their position as a privileged member of society, but there are plenty of revolutionaries that are privileged. Communist society is supposed to be even better, so what's to worry about?


He goes on to explain how these people really care only for their technical and/or scientific work and thus have no need for stupid materialist pleasures we all indulge in.
They all want communism (or similar) so they could go on living in peace and writing their codes.
That sounds like trolling.