Hello from England

[Che' Guevara]

Hello fellow communists,socialist marxist,stalinists and so on ( I can't remember all the names ), i was looking at some of the content on this website and it really intruged me, so i became a member of revleft, i consider my self to be a commie (communist), even though i do get my things mixed up quite easily. anyway i've been looking on various sites about communism and stuff even on wikipedia, so i was wondering if communism came back and all that,how would we (every country) become stateless,i don't think people would be happy about getting the same wages as a cleaner.

anyway comments please on how uk and other countries would become stateless :lol:

[Q]

Are you a troll or asking genuine questions?

[AK]

i don't think people would be happy about getting the same wages as a cleaner.

Socialism, Communism and Anarchism are not about having equal wages. If you want financial equality you have fair wages instead. Rates of pay would be decided according to how many hours worked, contribution to society, need (i.e., if you have children, are pregnant, have a disabled person living with you), etc.), etc. It's all about how much you deserve in relation to your work and what you need. After all, if a doctor gets the same pay as a cleaner then that wouldn't be very fair would it? The truth is, the cleaner's wages would have been raised significantly owing to his/her need, etc.

Otherwise, welcome to Revleft - the birthplace of modern sectarianism :lol:

[Lyev]

Welcome comrade. It's a bit of misnomer that socialism = same wages for all. Bear in mind Marx's "labour theory of value" (LTV), which basically states the labour embodied in a commodity dictates the value of that commodity. This means a doctor, plumber, lawyer, cleaner etc. should only be payed relative to the amount of work they do, or the amount of labour that goes into their product. If it takes 5 years to train to be a doctor then this still counts; this training is still part of their labour in the doctor's product, or service, which is treating illness. It should be noted, with the LTV, that this labour-time is homogeneous, or generalised for the whole of society. If I spend a year baking a stodgy, bland cake, that doesn't mean the cake is worth £30,000. We have to take into account the average, homogenous labour-time that goes into making each and every cake in all of society. Anyway, if you're interested here's (http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/l/a.htm#labour-theory-value) a starting point; or here (http://www.worldsocialism.org/articles/introduction_to_marxian_economics1.php) or brendanmcooney (http://kapitalism101.wordpress.com/the-labor-theory-of-value/),from youtube, is really cool for learning about Marxist economics.