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The Vegan Marxist
5th April 2010, 15:12
Intelligence Agencies Allegedly Going to Extremes to Suppress Video Confirming Pentagon Massacre Cover-up


Disturbing allegations have surfaced around WikiLeaks' promise to release a video April 5 at the National Press Club confirming a war-time massacre.
April 3, 2010 |

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On April 5, online truth and transparency advocate WikiLeaks.org (http://wikileaks.org/) plans to release at the National Press Club what it alleges is a video confirming a Pentagon cover-up of a wartime massacre of civilians and journalists committed under the leadership of General David Petraeus.
In a recent editorial that was later scrubbed, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange claimed WikiLeaks is under fire from American and international intelligence agencies angered by his site's oversharing of the global village's dark political and financial secrets, and that they are responding with harassment, surveillance, unnecessary detention and worse.

"We've become used to the level of security service interest in us and have established procedures to ignore that interest," Assange wrote in the editorial (http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0326/whistleblower-site-accuses-spying-operations/). "But the increase in surveillance activities this last month, in a time when we are barely publishing due to fundraising, are excessive."
As constitutional lawyer and Salon columnist Green Greenwald wrote in a recent column, (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/03/27/wikileaks) "A volunteer, a minor, who works with WikiLeaks was detained in Iceland last week and questioned extensively about an incriminating video WikiLeaks possesses relating to the actions of the U.S. military. During the course of the interrogation, the WikiLeaks volunteer was not only asked questions about the video based on non-public knowledge about its contents (i.e., information which only the U.S. military would have), but was also shown surveillance photos of Assange exiting a recent WikiLeaks meeting regarding the imminent posting of documents concerning the Pentagon."

WikiLeaks, administered by the Sunshine Press, an Amnesty International award-winning non-profit comprised of self-described "human rights campaigners, investigative journalists, technologists and the general public," has been whacking the powers-that-be's beehive since going live in 2007, and racking up as many legal challenges and enemies as journalism scoops and truth-seeking loyalists. But with its April 5 video, it evidently has raised the stakes.

"If anything happens to us, you know why," WikiLeaks warned on its Twitter feed. "It is our Apr 5 film. And you know who is responsible."
But this is not the 20th century, where classified information dissemination was a clumsy, clunky affair transmitted through bought-off print and television conglomerates.
"It certainly isn't surprising that entities affected by materials disclosed on WikiLeaks would explore ways to try to stop such disclosures," Matt Zimmerman, senior staff attorney at the digital-rights stalwart Electronic Frontier Foundation, explained to AlterNet. "That WikiLeaks continues to operate effectively underscores the difficulty of stopping such an operation in the age of the Internet which, from WikiLeaks' point of view, is the entire point."

Which doesn't mean that the powers-that-be threatened by WikiLeaks' persistent outings are going to just give up. WikiLeaks' exposure of military and financial carnage is encouraging, especially for a media landscape populated more and more by talk-radio shock-doctrinists like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

"I don't have any evidence that Assange or anyone associated with WikiLeaks is in danger," Salon's Glenn Greenwald told AlterNet, after speaking with Assange. "But the CIA and Pentagon are vastly powerful entities that operate almost entirely in the dark. They have a long, sordid and well-documented history of targeting anyone who they perceive to be undermining their interests, and -- as they themselves acknowledge -- WikiLeaks qualifies. I think it would be foolish in the extreme not to take those threats seriously."

Indeed, downplaying the severity of real threats while inflating the importance of imagined or, worse yet, created ones has been an escalating obsession of ours in this new, turbulent century. And our chief coping mechanism has worked to the government's advantage, according to Greenwald's column. The official outcry over WikiLeaks is "based in the same rationale...used by all governments to conceal evidence of their wrongdoing: we need to suppress our activities for your own good. WikiLeaks is devoted to subverting that mentality and, relatively speaking, has been quite successful in doing so. For that reason, numerous governments and private groups would like to see them destroyed."
The increasing acceptance of that disingenuous rationale has been destabilizing. Instead of working to champion transparency in an era of increasing sociopolitical violence and corruption, most of the global public has gone fetal in the face of such fear. And it has lately been helped by the utopian promises of both Republican sadists and Democratic sellouts. As a result, it has devolved into a state where the hard truths of geopolitics and power have become too shocking to bear. Which makes it much easier to paint WikiLeaks into a compromised corner, where it must dodge the slings and arrows of the status quo.

"It's totally unsurprising," Greenwald told AlterNet. "Over the last decade, we witnessed an unprecedented expansion of government secrecy and executive power, the former of which has intensified under Obama. The 'war on terror' has convinced huge numbers of Americans that transparency is not only unnecessary but dangerous. That's exactly the climate that led to the abuses of the last century and will inevitably lead to abuses whenever it is allowed to fester."

But fester it will, unless organizations like WikiLeaks are championed by those trying to chart a more positive path toward a more transparent 21st century. It is painfully obvious that the information contained in the site's various leaks on wartime propaganda, rapacious finance schemes and even military atrocities aren't really dangerous to anyone, in and of themselves. In fact, it's the opposite: Documents that unmask the empowerment of the unfortunate few by the conniving many. The only threats they pose are to those who profit, in one form or another, from their suppression. If Daniel Ellsberg's leaked Pentagon Papers taught us anything, it's that such suppression strikes at the very heart of our republic, rotting it from the inside.

"Government entities, such as the army, are of course in a better position to know how damaging any given leak may be," said EFF's Zimmerman. "And indeed, leakers may in fact be breaking the law by disclosing documents. WikiLeaks comes down on the side of transparency, arguing that the benefits of widespread disclosure of information about matters of public concern will outweigh the harm. Those who disagree, whether private actors or those in government, will certainly continue to find ways to discourage disclosure to WikiLeaks or shut it down altogether."

But that would be our collective loss, considering that there are a scant few places left for us to fully probe the dimly lit corners of our empire, where bodies and stratagems are often buried too deep for most of us to find.

"There's no question that WikiLeaks poses a major threat because virtually every other intended check and oversight mechanism -- from Congress to the media -- has been neutralized," Greenwald concluded. "WikiLeaks has been an amazingly impressive success story thus far in exposing a wide array of elite corruption. That definitely reflects the power of the Internet to harm large and powerful institutions, and it is precisely why they have been targeted."
http://www.alternet.org/news/146275/intelligence_agencies_allegedly_going_to_extremes_ to_suppress_video_confirming_pentagon_massacre_cov er-up_?page=entire

Update: There's also this as well. A classified document leaked that shows plans of U.S. intelligence to try & destroy WikiLeaks: http://file.wikileaks.org/file/us-intel-wikileaks.pdf

Q
5th April 2010, 15:34
Why do you say WikiLinks when it is WikiLeaks?

MaoTseHelen
5th April 2010, 16:25
I can't believe they even have their names out in the public. Are they trying to be martyrs? You don't subvert the Pentagon/CIA - people who found and run paramilitary groups the world over - and expect... nothing. Buy a mask, use a proxy, don't announce your meetings, chuck the cell phones. God damn.

The Vegan Marxist
5th April 2010, 16:37
Why do you say WikiLinks when it is WikiLeaks?

ahhh, I keep making that mistake. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

fabilius
5th April 2010, 19:05
I can't believe they even have their names out in the public. Are they trying to be martyrs? You don't subvert the Pentagon/CIA - people who found and run paramilitary groups the world over - and expect... nothing. Buy a mask, use a proxy, don't announce your meetings, chuck the cell phones. God damn.

Meh... itīs at least just as good a strategy to try become a semi-celebrity and hope for the best.

What are you going to do when they find out your identity and noone else knows it. At least their murder would cause a stir and bring more attention to their site. So it might even be safer if Pentagon isnīt inclined to make them martyrs.

Red Commissar
5th April 2010, 21:06
Wikileaks already has enough issues with all the legal fees it has incurred fending off lawsuits, but I their strategy here is to gain the attention of other media and put the onus on the Pentagon rather than them.

The Red Panther Party
5th April 2010, 21:18
I just saw the video, its funny the talibans bombs are "terrorist" yet apache guns are "democratic", they still murder civilians all the same

Robocommie
5th April 2010, 22:13
So what exactly is happening in this video? And how likely does it seem that Wikileaks succeeded in getting it out?

Red Commissar
5th April 2010, 22:25
So what exactly is happening in this video? And how likely does it seem that Wikileaks succeeded in getting it out?

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It is April 5th and wikileaks released the video as they promised. Essentially the footage shows a group of Iraqis and the two reporters, the chopper pilot reports that he sees weapons, and opens fire. They also attack a van that comes in to try and help the wounded.

US at the time said the incident was, at the time, an engagement between Coalition forces and Insurgents, and said the reporters were killed in the crossfire. Reuters at the time (2007) requested the military to disclose the recording of the incident under the Freedom of Information Act, but were denied. Somehow wikileaks got a hold of the video and told the Internet they would release in response to the Pentagon's pressure on them. They see the video as an example of the US's indiscriminate attacks on civilians and journalists, and the flaws in the rules of engagement procedure the military claims to be upholding.

chegitz guevara
5th April 2010, 22:32
I can't believe they even have their names out in the public. Are they trying to be martyrs? You don't subvert the Pentagon/CIA - people who found and run paramilitary groups the world over - and expect... nothing. Buy a mask, use a proxy, don't announce your meetings, chuck the cell phones. God damn.

If you hide, then when you disappear, no one knows.

Lyev
5th April 2010, 23:42
In the video it says they were attacking "5 to 6 individuals with AK47s" -- I didn't see any weapons. Was it just Saaed with his camera?

EDIT: fuck, fuck and another fuck. I just actually watched that video... they refer to the people they just killed -- people with names and families -- as "individuals"; I didn't even see any weapons, just a camera. Then, when they'd finished shooting, they had a little laugh about it and casually referred to a dying person by saying "we got one guy crawling around down there". That's just absolutely disgusting. And they weren't even killed for a reason. So I suppose that's what neoliberals would call "bringing democracy" to an "unstable" country. Those dead civilians certainly got their fair share of "democracy", didn't they? Their orphaned children and widows enjoyed some "democracy", "freedom" and "stability" too.

another edit: the dead civilians were refferred to as "dead bastards" and "nice" twice, and also, apparently, that was some "good shoot'n". It's remarkable that American and British taxpayers had/have to pay for such abhorrent crimes.

another edit again: they said to Saaed -- obviously he couldn't hear -- "all you gotta do is pick up a weapon".... there's some absolutely disgusting things that the US troops are saying, I'm just gonna stop editting this post to tell you.

Tablo
6th April 2010, 01:20
In the video it says they were attacking "5 to 6 individuals with AK47s" -- I didn't see any weapons. Was it just Saaed with his camera?

EDIT: fuck, fuck and another fuck. I just actually watched that video... they refer to the people they just killed -- people with names and families -- as "individuals"; I didn't even see any weapons, just a camera. Then, when they'd finished shooting, they had a little laugh about it and casually referred to a dying person by saying "we got one guy crawling around down there". That's just absolutely disgusting. And they weren't even killed for a reason. So I suppose that's what neoliberals would call "bringing democracy" to an "unstable" country. Those dead civilians certainly got their fair share of "democracy", didn't they? Their orphaned children and widows enjoyed some "democracy", "freedom" and "stability" too.

another edit: the dead civilians were refferred to as "dead bastards" and "nice" twice, and also, apparently, that was some "good shoot'n". It's remarkable that American and British taxpayers had/have to pay for such abhorrent crimes.

another edit again: they said to Saaed -- obviously he couldn't hear -- "all you gotta do is pick up a weapon".... there's some absolutely disgusting things that the US troops are saying, I'm just gonna stop editting this post to tell you.
I know exactly what you are saying. I saw what could have looked sort of like guns on them, but it was far to questionable for them to decide to fire upon them.