Eugene Terreblanche killed in South Africa

[Q]

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8602347.stm)


Eugene Terreblanche killed in South Africa

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Mr Terreblanche wanted a separate white homeland

South African white supremacist leader Eugene Terreblanche has been killed on his farm in the country's north-west.

Mr Terreblanche, 69, was beaten to death after a dispute over unpaid wages, local media reports said. Two people are said to have been arrested.

Mr Terreblanche, who campaigned for a separate white homeland, came to prominence in the early 1980s.

He became the champion of a tiny minority determined to stop the process that was bringing apartheid to an end.

"Mr Terreblanche's body was found on the bed with facial and head injuries," AFP news agency quoted a police spokesman as saying.

The report said he had been killed after a payment dispute with two workers, who have since been charged with his murder.

"He was hacked to death while he was taking a nap," a family friend in the town of Ventersdorp was quoted as telling Reuters news agency.

The murder comes amid growing anxiety about crime in South Africa and what opposition politicians say are irresponsible and racially inflammatory sentiments from a minority of the ruling ANC party, says the BBC's Karen Allen in Johannesburg.

Attempted murder

Mr Terreblanche was released from prison in 2004 after serving three years of a five-year term for attempted murder.

He had founded the white supremacist Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (Afrikaner Resistance Movement - AWB) party in 1970, to oppose what he regarded as the liberal policies of the then-South African leader, John Vorster.

His party tried terrorist tactics and threatened civil war in the run-up to South Africa's first democratic elections.

In the 1980s, the government of PW Botha considered a constitutional plan allowing South Africa's Asian and coloured (mixed-race) minorities to vote for racially-segregated parliamentary chambers.

For the likes of Mr Terreblanche, this was the start of the slippery slope towards democracy, communism, black rule and the destruction of the Afrikaner nation, analysts say.

Claiming on occasion to be a cultural organisation - albeit one with sidearms and paramilitary uniforms - Mr Terreblanche and his men promised to fight for the survival of the white tribe of Africa.

Mr Terreblance continued to campaign to preserve the apartheid system until the early 1990s but had lived in relative obscurity since it collapsed.

The AWB was revived two years ago and there had been recent efforts to form a united front among white far-right groups.

Martin Plaut, Africa editor

For most South Africans, Eugene Terreblanche was a throwback to another era. But his death is a blow to the country's image of racial tolerance, fostered so carefully by Nelson Mandela.

Some are likely to believe that the fact that his alleged attackers were arrested so rapidly smacks of a cover-up. Others, on the minority far-right fringe, will see his death as a vindication of their assertion that whites cannot live under black rule.

It is a tragic fact that more than 3,000 white farmers have been murdered since the end of apartheid in 1994. And it is possible that some people may seek retribution.

Mr Terreblanche's funeral could become a rallying point for such sentiment.

While I don't agree with murdering your opponents, I won't exactly be mourning his death.

[Alaric]

I wouldn't advise anyone here to go out and do what those gentlemen did, but I'm glad to hear of one less racist jerk to worry about.

[VILemon]

I was just coming on to add this story. Seriously...good riddance. You will not be missed, Eugene.

[Comrade_Scott]

i agree good riddance but lets look at the bigger picture he was not killed because of his stupid ass views but because of a pay dispute which leads me to my next point. in my opinion South Africa is going to hell in a hand basket, not my words but the words of locals "a third world country with first world economy" people in the townships etc are not seeing changes either at all or in the vaguest sense. the ANC has become a joke with Zuma and Julius Malema preaching what is lets face it racism. but that is expected because blacks are still marginalized, poor, poorly educated and have limited hopes so they go to bread and butter "whites are holding us back" when the ANC is so corrupt and stuck on its pedestal. the anc went about it all wrong with "truth and reconciliation" as all that has done is delay the all out violence mothers are still holding grudges as are sons fathers etc. this would be bad but we have also heard those horrid words "land reform" and we all saw what happend in zimbabwe. im not saying that will happen but in my eyes it look that way especially with Malema looking like the next ANC leader. what do you guys think?

[MaoTseHelen]

One down!

[The Essence Of Flame Is The Essence Of Change]

One down!
Many more to go :p

[Robocommie]

There can of course, be no real equality until socialism has occured and the blacks are given the means to attain their own autonomy. The land needs to be redistributed, as in Zimbabwe, most of the good land is in the hands of large scale commercial producers. And like in Zimbabwe, getting that land redistributed will be an ugly fight, and could end up destroying the economy, since the wealthy landholders have the backing of the UK as they did in Zimbabwe.

As an example, from Wikipedia:



Unlike other African (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa) countries, South Africa's agricultural sector is not dominated by subsistence farming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsistence_farming), with most farms being large commercial, albeit family-owned, enterprises. The country is completely self-reliant[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] and has more than enough output to export massive amounts of agricultural produce. Many other southern African (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Africa) countries rely on South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa) for maize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize) imports.
Due to the country's varied climate, many different crops are grown. The Western Cape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Cape) province has the most varied and prolific agricultural sector. Wine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine) has become a massive export, with South Africa now being the 5th largest producer worldwide. Deciduous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deciduous) fruit is also of major importance, with grapes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape), apples (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple), cherries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry), pears (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pear), peaches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peach), citrus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus) and other fruit being exported in great quantities, mostly to Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe). Heavy wheat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat) cultivation also occurs in the region, along with major wheat growing areas in the Highveld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highveld) of Mpumalanga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpumalanga) and the Free State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State). The Free State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State) is the leading producer of South Africa's staple, maize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize).Note the bolded sentence. Unless I'm mistaken, that means an awful lot of wage laborers working those farms.

The crucial issue though, as I said before, would be to distribute that land more equitably in a smooth enough transition that agricultural production is not significantly disrupted. Note how it says that a lot of other African countries rely on their maize imports, a fuckup in this process could result in a horrible famine in a continent with more than it's share of problems.

From the same article:


Despite attempts by government to reform the distribution of land, historically mostly held by whites, these efforts have not yet translated into growth in the agricultural sector, which continues to lag or decline in relation to the rest of the economy. This may also be due to the fact that indigenous people are mostly subsistence farmers and that anti-competitive practices like agricultural subsidies in developed countries and climate change (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change) are curtailing sector growth.


Food for thought.

[MaoTseHelen]

Many more to go :p
Yes, yes indeed.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Wow, this is fucking disturbing. This comment came from the StormFront forum about this news:


I bet the negroes were PAID either by Jews or by Mandela to kill him.

[Robocommie]

Wow, this is fucking disturbing. This comment came from the StormFront forum about this news:

Are you surprised?

[The Vegan Marxist]

Are you surprised?

I didn't think they would actually come up with something like Mandela making the two black guys kill Eugene.

[The Red Next Door]

Sleeping with the worms, bye mr. racist. now let pop the bottle of bubbley and celebrate.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Sleeping with the worms, bye mr. racist. now let pop the bottle of bubbley and celebrate.

I'll get fucked up with you when we destroy capitalism.

[Chambered Word]

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While I don't agree with murdering your opponents

Pfft. Nothing of value was lost. :cool:

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Good riddance you fascist fuck. Terreblanche was a despicable character in the fight against apartheid and engineered the death of many black activists.

[Saorsa]

Good riddance

[red cat]

Poetic justice.

[Das war einmal]

According do the Dutch state news, Terreblanche was in prison for 3 years for nearly beating a black man to death. So in a way he had what was coming for him I guess

[Ravachol]

According do the Dutch state news, Terreblanche was in prison for 3 years for nearly beating a black man to death. So in a way he had what was coming for him I guess

The Afrikaner Weerstands Beweging (AWB) was financed by the BOSS (South Afrikan State intelligence) and placed itself in the line of the interbellum-era Fascist Ossewabrandwag (Ox wagon fire guard) modelled after the NSDAP with it's own paramilitary group, the Stormjaers which carried out acts of violence against blacks and left-wing groups. The AWB continued this practice eventually devolving into terrorism spawning and allying with many small violent splinters like the 'Orde van die Dood' (Order of Death), 'Boerevolk-Krygers' (Warriors of the Boer Nation), Boeremag (Boer Power),etc. These splinters, many of them sponsored by either state intelligence or international anti-communist conservative groups (WACL being one of them) carried out bombings, murders and torture against left-wing groups, trade unions and blacks.
Many of these groups or members thereof were later contracted by petty dictators, multinationals or right-wing putschists as mercenaries in many of Africa's conflicts, Pretoria and Liberia being chief among them.

So in short, yeah, the asshole got what he deserved.

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

Finally, one nazi scumbag dead.
Next!

[piet11111]

Terreblanche is that not french for white earth or am i showing my lack of understanding for the french language.

anyway i am glad this racist fuck is dead and hope many more like him will join him.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Terreblanche is that not french for white earth or am i showing my lack of understanding for the french language.

anyway i am glad this racist fuck is dead and hope many more like him will join him.

Yes it is and it was his real name, strangely enough.

[piet11111]

Yes it is and it was his real name, strangely enough.

Was he born with that name ?

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Was he born with that name ?

Yes that's his name of birth.

[Vanguard1917]

I love how Jacob Zuma has tried to present Terreblanche as some kind of respectable community leader.* There are many 'terrible deeds' taking place in SA, but this should not be numbered as one of them.


* 'This is one of the sad moments for our country that a leader of his standing should be murdered.'

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I love how Jacob Zuma has tried to present Terreblanche as some kind of respectable community leader.* There are many 'terrible deeds' taking place in SA, but this should not be numbered as one of them.


* 'This is one of the sad moments for our country that a leader of his standing should be murdered.'

What the fuck that is crazy. Back in the 80's Terreblance would have killed Zuma given the chance.

[Gravedigger01]

its sad that somebody has died.He was clearly very misguided but he attempted to murder people as well as raising tensions so it probably for the best that he died painfully

[Q]

It is a tragic fact that more than 3,000 white farmers have been murdered since the end of apartheid in 1994. And it is possible that some people may seek retribution.
Note how he specifically mentions white deaths :rolleyes:

[piet11111]

A clear danger to society was eliminated and i am happy to know he got his head bashed in.
I do not give a fuck how or why it happened all i care about is that this fucker got killed that is good enough to brighten my day.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Note how he specifically mentions white deaths :rolleyes:

It's as if they are saying: Apartheid's over now, so we should forget all the things Terreblanche has done.

[RotStern]

This is bad news! bad bad news!
His death could make incite racial violence, these are the same guys who killed 21 blacks in 1994.
If this man was killed by an Afrikaner it would be different, but he was killed by blacks.
The AWB has already vowed to avenge his death, if they are serious about this it could mean many black people being killed.
Not that I like the guy, just that his death it not good news.

[Red Commissar]

The racial tensions are high in South Africa right now. Some groups of the ANC, in an attempt to deflect attention from their corruption and other issues, have been riling up black nationalism and populist nonsense, which has caused strife between blacks and whites, particularly those from the Afrikaner community.

It's already getting increasingly polarized and actions like this don't help much. The AWB is limited in what it can do, but what I'm worried about is that it just takes them to do one retaliatory action and then it opens up a whole explosion of racial violence.

That being said, Terreblanche can go rot in the ground.

[RotStern]

Ecspecially since this idiot Malema is going around singing ''Kill the boere''.

[Red Commissar]

Ecspecially since this idiot Malema is going around singing ''Kill the boere''.

Yeah, Malema is a really damaging force. Especially with his position as being the president of the ANC's youth wing, he's in a position to cause a lot of harm.

[jake williams]

I'll post what I did in the thread in Anti-Fascism.


Saw that news. I have a close family friend who was in the MK and my mom was talking to her just a minute ago and she said that it was those folks who were chasing them on horses and such.

In a way there's no justice for fascists (what you'd really need to do is finally kill fascism - and capitalism - in South Africa/the world). But you can't feel bad about it.

The same family friend though is also a fan of Zuma, faults and all, and she agrees that he probably had to say that it was a bad thing. If I trust her - and for the most part, I do - Zuma hated the guy at least as much as anyone else. But if he didn't say that, the ANC leadership would be endorsing the killing of white landowners. Maybe that really is a good revolutionary strategy, it's conceivable, but really, I'm not sure it is.

[Red Rebel]

:crying:

Had to cry myself to sleep when I heard the news. Although on a serious note (although not a suprisng note) is that the class antagonisms between the prick and his workers is being turned into a discussion about race. When it was wages that were being discussed. Not saying that being a black worker slaving for a racist lunny didn't further push the class divide.

[Ravachol]

:crying:

Had to cry myself to sleep when I heard the news. Although on a serious note (although not a suprisng note) is that the class antagonisms between the prick and his workers is being turned into a discussion about race. When it was wages that were being discussed. Not saying that being a black worker slaving for a racist lunny didn't further push the class divide.

Heh that's actually what I first thought. The killing was most likely more an example of class violence than racial violence but still, we have to consider the (unintended) implications of murdering the leader of a movement which stormed the WTC building with an armored truck and paramilitary squads:

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They aren't your average run-of-the-mill bonehead bootboy gang you know.

[Timebomb]

I think it will get worse for whites but it must be coming clear to them they will have to leave and move back to europe sooner or later.

[MaoTseHelen]

I think it will get worse for whites but it must be coming clear to them they will have to leave and move back to europe sooner or later.
Why should they? A country is better the more diverse it is. Yeah, whites have a terrible history in SA but that doesn't excuse ethnic cleansing them into leaving.

[Q]

I think it will get worse for whites but it must be coming clear to them they will have to leave and move back to europe sooner or later.

This is just as racist as Europeans calling on Muslims who have been born and raised in Europe to "go back". Fail.

[Robocommie]

This is just as racist as Europeans calling on Muslims who have been born and raised in Europe to "go back". Fail.

I wouldn't say it's equivalent. Whites came to Africa in a position of power, and used that power to steal the best land and sources of wealth for themselves. Many whites, and especially those in South Africa, inherit that wealth. In other words, they are colonizers.

Muslim immigrants and their children, on the other hand, come into Europe from a position of no power, as immigrants. They are the colonized.

[YKTMX]

Great news.

That is all.

[BornSlippy]

I thought it funny (guess I am sick) that on bbc news they showed pictures of him being manish, mixed with clips of his training camps where his recruits were learning knife defences in the sand.

And then the master gets stabbed:lol:

Fought all his life for a fascist system and died by the hand of the capitalist system, we got left out:confused:

[Q]

I wouldn't say it's equivalent. Whites came to Africa in a position of power, and used that power to steal the best land and sources of wealth for themselves. Many whites, and especially those in South Africa, inherit that wealth. In other words, they are colonizers.

Muslim immigrants and their children, on the other hand, come into Europe from a position of no power, as immigrants. They are the colonized.

Firstly, the common use of the word "colonized" would be more along the lines of native people being invaded, such as the South-African blacks. Which is clearly not the case in Europe.

Secondly, the first generation immigrants was not what I was talking about. It was the children that have grown up in their respective countries as minorities, maybe for generations already, of which I was talking. Of course, I'm also for the complete free movement of all people everywhere.

What I agree with you is that the whites in S-Africa until recently had a privileged position, which was based on institutionalised racism. But today, in a country of 4,5 million whites (9% of the population) and a growing black capitalist class, it makes no sense to put all white people in this same position of power that you speak of. And even before the end of apartheid not every white person was a part of the capitalist class.

[Robocommie]

Firstly, the common use of the word "colonized" would be more along the lines of native people being invaded, such as the South-African blacks. Which is clearly not the case in Europe.

In fact no, the label of "colonized" can, in post-colonial discourse, refer to immigrants from nations which were or are colonized by the host nation. They carry the legacy of colonialism with them, or rather, it is continually imposed on them by the majority culture.



Secondly, the first generation immigrants was not what I was talking about. It was the children that have grown up in their respective countries as minorities, maybe for generations already, of which I was talking. Of course, I'm also for the complete free movement of all people everywhere.

Yes, I know you were. That's why I specifically said, "Immigrants and their children."



What I agree with you is that the whites in S-Africa until recently had a privileged position, which was based on institutionalised racism. But today, in a country of 4,5 million whites (9% of the population) and a growing black capitalist class, it makes no sense to put all white people in this same position of power that you speak of. And even before the end of apartheid not every white person was a part of the capitalist class.

Given that the wealth of South Africa still remains overwhelmingly concentrated in white hands, I'm really okay with saying that whites still have the upper hand in South Africa. Those minority individuals do not constitute trends, which is what we have to talk about when we talk about such a broad subject.

[JazzRemington]

I can't remember where I read the story originally, but the source I got it from tried to frame it as a precursor to a race war.

[anti-]

In fact no, the label of "colonized" can, in post-colonial discourse, refer to immigrants from nations which were or are colonized by the host nation. They carry the legacy of colonialism with them, or rather, it is continually imposed on them by the majority culture.



Yes, I know you were. That's why I specifically said, "Immigrants and their children."



Given that the wealth of South Africa still remains overwhelmingly concentrated in white hands, I'm really okay with saying that whites still have the upper hand in South Africa. Those minority individuals do not constitute trends, which is what we have to talk about when we talk about such a broad subject.



You are wrong!

Stop spewing anti-white bigotry.

[Robocommie]

You are wrong!

Stop spewing anti-white bigotry.

Hah, nice post. Welcome to Revleft.

Does it matter at all if I point out my ancestors came largely from Germany, Norway and Ireland?

[Q]

In fact no, the label of "colonized" can, in post-colonial discourse, refer to immigrants from nations which were or are colonized by the host nation. They carry the legacy of colonialism with them, or rather, it is continually imposed on them by the majority culture.
This may be correct for England or France, but in for example the Netherlands there is no such history. The most deprived minority here are Moroccans, which came to the Netherlands in the 1960's as migrant workers. The most integrated parts are generally those from the former colonies (Suriname, Indonesia).


Given that the wealth of South Africa still remains overwhelmingly concentrated in white hands, I'm really okay with saying that whites still have the upper hand in South Africa. Those minority individuals do not constitute trends, which is what we have to talk about when we talk about such a broad subject.
Do you perhaps have some numbers to back this up? I think you're correct in a general sense, but would like to see more data on this.