Swedish Mutualist

[Argument]

Hello everyone. I'm an individualist anarchist, or mutualist, if you prefer that definition. I'm an anti-capitalist free market socialist, anti-authoritarian left libertarian. I value equal liberty and the rights of the individual.

As the title says, I'm from Sweden. When I first got interested in politics, I thought that the Green Party of Sweden was a good party. I spent some time discussing practical politics and quickly found that I preferred the Left Party, a democratic socialist party with some Marxist leanings. I wasn't quite a communist, though, although I certainly had some authoritarian leanings at the time. For example, I supported extra taxes on sugar because it was "unhealthy", and I thought that safety and "justice" was more important than freedom, that "fair trade" was better than free trade, that people shouldn't get to decide for themselves whether they should use drugs or not. I was this way for about a year and a half, then I became a social liberal for some time before I converted to minarchism. I was a minarchist (libertarian, neo-liberal, classical liberal) for about three months, although I sometimes supported some safety nets, and sometimes I was an anarcho-capitalist.

For about half a year ago I got some more information about anarchism, and I became an individualist anarchist, after a brief period of supporting anarcho-capitalism. That's where I stand now. Now, I see myself as left-wing, anti-capitalist, anti-authoritarian, pro-liberty. I see myself as a libertarian socialist, the worker should have the right to get what he produce. Workers should probably organize themselves in workers' cooperatives, I believe that to be a better form of organization than the communist or capitalist alternatives, although I believe it to be their right to choose. I support the removal of "Tucker's Big Four", the four big privileges Benjamin Tucker thought was necessary to remove in order to kill state monopoly capitalism.

This community seems to be full of communists, state socialists and anarcho-communists. Sometimes individual anarchism is seen as a "reactionary" ideology, as a non-socialist ideology. I don't agree, but it's your community, not mine. What do you say, am I to be allowed to roar the forums with my "blasphemous" ideas? Or am I to be shackled to the "Opposing Ideologies" board? It's your choice. ; )

Also, you might want to know why I decided to join this community. One reason is that I enjoy discussing political philosophy, the other is that I feel that my written English needs to be improved. You will have to endure my English, for I am a foreigner, Swedish is my native tongue, not English. If you notice that I'm constantly making some sort of error regarding grammar, punctuation or something else, I would appreciate if you sent a private message informing me about the problem. I most likely won't make many spelling mistakes, though, since I use Firefox.

I look forward to discuss with you, either exclusively on the "Opposing Ideologies" board or on the other boards. I'm holding my thumbs that you decide that I'm "left" enough to not be bound to the OI board. ; P

[Q]

Welcome.

You seem "left enough" not to be restricted, but your radical change from the far left to the far right to the far left does make me wary.

[Sentinel]

What do you say, am I to be allowed to roar the forums with my "blasphemous" ideas? Or am I to be shackled to the "Opposing Ideologies" board? It's your choice.


Welcome to Revleft. I don't see any reason to restrict you at the moment, not before you express any restriction-worthy opinions in your posts on the board. Time will tell -- until then, post freely.

Make sure to visit the Nordic subforum. I also post there; I'm finnish, but live in Stockholm.

[ZeroNowhere]

No, many members of Revleft support capitalism, you should fit in fine. Anyhow, welcome. :)

[Raúl Duke]

Welcome...I guess.


No, many members of Revleft support capitalism, you should fit in fine.lol


That's where I stand now. Now, I see myself as left-wing, anti-capitalist, anti-authoritarian, pro-liberty. I see myself as a libertarian socialist, the worker should have the right to get what he produce. Workers should probably organize themselves in workers' cooperatives, I believe that to be a better form of organization than the communist or capitalist alternatives, although I believe it to be their right to choose.Certain anarcho-communists and the socialistic anarcho-syndicalists also support worker's co-ops...


This community seems to be full of communists, state socialists and anarcho-communists. Sometimes individual anarchism is seen as a "reactionary" ideology, as a non-socialist ideology. I don't agree, but it's your community, not mine. What do you say, am I to be allowed to roar the forums with my "blasphemous" ideas? Or am I to be shackled to the "Opposing Ideologies" board? It's your choice. ; )That depends on many factors...

If you rub someone the wrong way, particularly an admin or mod, and/or make some sort of statement that could be construed as "reactionary" (which is slightly subjective but there's certain things that are very much mutually agreed on by most of what this is) than yes you will be sent to OI.

Another factor is the types of threads you start. Typically, if you make constructive posts, don't start threads which only purpose is to attack socialism/anarchism/whatever, and stuff like that than you maybe won't be sent to OI.

However, this can only get you so far...I remember an old thread post in a now defunct sub-forum for forum management that mention something like "Well, every time he posts or makes a thread we basically have to argue/defend the basic premise of socialism...thus he should be restricted." That point was well-received and the person was restricted to my knowledge. In other words, you would have to construct your criticisms in a way that it's not perceived to be an attack on the basic premise but more so on specific aspects (because even the different strands of socialists argue over one another over the specifics but all accept the basic premise. This forum was after all made for this purpose, people who accept the premise of socialism/communism debating on specifics, usually from their own ideologies, over one another). Also, if you don't show enough knowledge on certain types of socialism/anarchism that could be grounds for restriction...but that depends.

[red cat]

Welcome :)

[The Essence Of Flame Is The Essence Of Change]

You guys....exist?:confused:Uhm, I mean welcome!

Btw Left-Libertarianism has nothing to do with Libertarian Socialism.Libertarian Socialists don't want a free market, they want a non authoritarian, workers run society which has a communist or at least collectivist kind of economy.Certain worker co-ops are ok under anarcho-communist societies though..

[Weezer]

Hi...welcome to the Proletariat's forum. Beware of Wallmasters. :ninja:

[Argument]

Welcome.Thanks, glad to be here.


You seem "left enough" not to be restricted, but your radical change from the far left to the far right to the far left does make me wary.Well, I wasn't really "far" left when I supported the Left party, they're not that radical. I don't think I was far right either, it's not as if I was a fascist, national socialist, conservative or nationalist.


Welcome to Revleft. I don't see any reason to restrict you at the moment, not before you express any restriction-worthy opinions in your posts on the board. Time will tell -- until then, post freely.Thanks. What opinions are restriction-worthy?


Make sure to visit the Nordic subforum.As you probably have seen, I have. Seems interesting, this community is more international than I thought, I thought it was primarily an American site. Then again, how many Americans are radical left?


No, many members of Revleft support capitalism, you should fit in fine. Anyhow, welcome.Thanks, and, well... I don't support capitalism, not what socialists mean with capitalism, at least.


Welcome...I guess.Thanks... I guess? :P


Certain anarcho-communists and the socialistic anarcho-syndicalists also support worker's co-ops...That's good, that makes cooperation between mutualists and anarcho-communists more likely.


If you rub someone the wrong way, particularly an admin or mod, and/or make some sort of statement that could be construed as "reactionary" (which is slightly subjective but there's certain things that are very much mutually agreed on by most of what this is) than yes you will be sent to OI.Well, okay. Could you give some examples of what could be seen as "reactionary"? I mean, I do support free trade, and I do oppose government and taxation, even in a "worker's state".


In other words, you would have to construct your criticisms in a way that it's not perceived to be an attack on the basic premise but more so on specific aspects (because even the different strands of socialists argue over one another over the specifics but all accept the basic premise. This forum was after all made for this purpose, people who accept the premise of socialism/communism debating on specifics, usually from their own ideologies, over one another).Well, I accept the premise of anarchism, not marxism. I don't really mind anarcho-communism as a whole, I have some objections to why it might not be ideal. When it comes to marxism, though, I find it authoritarian and more or less impossible, because power corrupts. Am I allowed to say those things in threads? Would I be allowed to post a thread about, say, "Marxism and the revolution", where I criticize, say, the idea of having a vanguard party?


WelcomeThanks!


You guys....exist? Uhm, I mean welcome!Heh, thanks!


Btw Left-Libertarianism has nothing to do with Libertarian Socialism.Libertarian Socialists don't want a free market, they want a non authoritarian, workers run society which has a communist or at least collectivist kind of economy.Certain worker co-ops are ok under anarcho-communist societies though..I think mutualism and individualist anarchism can be called Libertarian Socialism as well. Wikipedia says it can, at least. And, well, I do want a non-authoritarian workers run society, kinda, with workers' cooperatives. There should be a free market, though, without exploitation. Proudhon wanted that, I believe, and he is one of the forerunners of anarchism.


Hi...welcome to the Proletariat's forum. Beware of Wallmasters.Hello. I'm not quite sure what you mean.

[Sentinel]

What opinions are restriction-worthy?

Besides those who oppose a revolution to emancipate the working class, anti-abortionists and other sexists, primitivists, and religious preachers are usually restricted to OI. Our policy is to apply case by case basis when it comes to people that self-identify as leftists.

[Raúl Duke]

Thanks... I guess? :Plol

Well, I'm trying to be slightly helpful...I never really divulge much info on how to avoid being canned into OI and some of this info I gained when I was part of a forum management sub-forum here that no longer exist.


Would I be allowed to post a thread about, say, "Marxism and the revolution", where I criticize, say, the idea of having a vanguard party?That's actually fine...in fact there's been plentiful of threads along those lines.


Well, okay. Could you give some examples of what could be seen as "reactionary"? I mean, I do support free trade, and I do oppose government and taxation, even in a "worker's state".Sometimes it depends on wording of these opinions. It also depends on the whims of the mods and admins. If you self-identify as a leftist of sort than as Sentinel mentioned it's a case-by-case kind of thing. Some people may be automatically oppose to your mutualism (in various degrees), some might be indifferent to a degree ("ah he's not disrupting the board so whatever let him talk"), etc.

There's also the issue of the opinions held by the "wallmasters" about mutualism. If the consensus is that it's an opposing ideology than I guess off you go to OI. Who knows...maybe right now the mods and admins have a thread on you. Maybe they have a thread on me... :ninja:

[Nolan]

Welcome.

[Sentinel]

There's also the issue of the opinions held by the "wallmasters" about mutualism. If the consensus is that it's an opposing ideology than I guess off you go to OI. Who knows...maybe right now the mods and admins have a thread on you. Maybe they have a thread on me...


Maybe. Seriously, though, it's actually as I said: when it comes to self-identified leftists we apply case by case basis, and look at the content of their posts rather than the specific labels they choose when determining their status on the board.

[Dean]

We judge case-by-case. The last Mutualist to be restricted was only because he self-identified as an "Austrian."

We had a member.. I think it was Gene Costa? Who was a Mutualist - he had some weird ideas on economics but I don't think he was ever restricted for them.

As long as you're sufficiently leftist in terms of economics, you're probably fine.