Against "democracy"? Disturbing trends

[Die Neue Zeit]

Awhile back I read Morning Star's review of Democracy Kills: What's So Good About Having The Vote? (http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/85448) Now I read this shit:

James Lovelock: Humans are too stupid to prevent climate change (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/mar/29/james-lovelock-climate-change)


Humans are too stupid to prevent climate change from radically impacting on our lives over the coming decades. This is the stark conclusion of James Lovelock, the globally respected environmental thinker and independent scientist who developed the Gaia theory.

It follows a tumultuous few months in which public opinion on efforts to tackle climate change has been undermined by events such as the climate scientists' emails leaked from the University of East Anglia (UEA) and the failure of the Copenhagen climate summit.

"I don't think we're yet evolved to the point where we're clever enough to handle a complex a situation as climate change," said Lovelock in his first in-depth interview since the theft of the UEA emails last November. "The inertia of humans is so huge that you can't really do anything meaningful."

One of the main obstructions to meaningful action is "modern democracy", he added. "Even the best democracies agree that when a major war approaches, democracy must be put on hold for the time being. I have a feeling that climate change may be an issue as severe as a war. It may be necessary to put democracy on hold for a while."

[ChrisK]

Yet another group of petty bourgeoisie who feelings of superiority over the stupid masses. It really wears me out, all these people talking about how stupid all the masses are, and then talking out against democracy. Funny, how they seem to be the only ones "clever" enough to fix things, and yet seem to contribute to many of the problems.

[jmlima]

Yet another group of petty bourgeoisie who feelings of superiority over the stupid masses. It really wears me out, all these people talking about how stupid all the masses are, and then talking out against democracy. Funny, how they seem to be the only ones "clever" enough to fix things, and yet seem to contribute to many of the problems.

Well, he's obviously talking from a naive point-of-view, maybe bordering on idiotic coming from someone that obviously knows a think or two about science (if not a lot more than that).

He is obviously forgetting that most of the 'democratic' electoral campaigns are payed for by the same companies that fuel us with all the climate changing devices. Naturally, if they pay for someone to be elected , then certainly that someone will defend their interests. Maybe the problem starts there?...

[zimmerwald1915]

[quote]"The inertia of humans is so huge that you can't really do anything meaningful".
Way to ignore all of history, Jimmy.

[Tiktaalik]

Man, fuck him. It's not that humans are stupid, it's because throughout civilized history a small group of people has always been raping the earth and people for resources.

People aren't stupid, they're manipulated. And with capitalism, the Earth has never been able to pillaged on the extent that it is today.

I hate environmentalists who refuse to recognize the role capitalism has in the destruction of the biosphere.

[Wolf Larson]

There's an anti democratic counterrevolutionary poster here on RevLeft opposing democracy and revolution and he is being defended by the Mods- this is just one of his many counterrevolutionary posts to be found in the technocracy thread in the learning section:

TECHNOCRAT Wrote: In all three cases, majority rule was used to take away the rights and property of minorities.

In the American South, majority rule was used to take away the property and rights of Black Americans.

In Weimar Germany, majority rule elected a populist leader - Hitler - who took away the property and rights of the Jews.

In the Texas Republic, following the Texas Revolution, majority rule was used to take away the property and rights of Mexicans who had been living on the land for decades.

These are all examples which are learned in History 101.

Go study history. I'm not going to do your homework for you. I already know, though, that you are so full of yourself that you don't think you have anything to learn. Not only is he anti democratic but is advocating an anti revolutionary philosophy which says we need not join the revolution because capitalism will fade away on it's own:

Technocrat Wrote: Capitalism will collapse due to its basic unsustainable nature. This will either be a rapid or gradual decline. Either way, if technocracy were to be installed it would have to be done by the people themselves. The danger is that without a plan in place like technocracy, people will repeat history and elect a populist leader like Hitler. Then he goes as far as to say any Marxists or Anarchists who don't agree with his system will be put in prison after asked what Technocrats would do with Marxists and anarchists who did not go along with a Dictatorship of engineers:

.... nutcases who threatened others with violence would be put in prison.The Mods in that thread have defended this guy for pages and have made me realize the counterrevolutionary anti working class nature of this forum.

EDIT: Whoever just gave me "negative rep" with the comment saying "don't turn this into some personal vendetta" should take a step back and see what the Technocrat guy is advocating, the manner in which he's advocating it and the bias the mods have towards Technocracy which has allowed the poster "Technocrat" to be verbally abusive to many RevLeft posters albeit passive aggressively. Is revLeft not a socialist forum? The learning section should be there to educate new people in regards to socialism/the class struggle/revolutionary ideals and the things being advocated in the technocracy thread are not revolutionary, not socialist nor is what he's advocating pro Soviets/workers councils. I've tried to address this in the members forum where the Technocrat Mods simply slander me and close the thread. I understand if RevLeft is a Technocracy forum but I was under the naive impression this was place for socialists not fascists who want to install an anti democratic elitist dictatorship of engineers over the workers.



http://www.revleft.com/vb/technocracy-and-communism-t130829/index15.html

(http://www.revleft.com/vb/technocracy-and-communism-t130829/index15.html)

[Q]

The Mods in that thread have defended this guy for pages and have made me realize the counterrevolutionary anti working class nature of this forum.
It would be a tad too generalist to claim a forum is counterrevolutionary and anti-working class in its entirety, don't you think?

With that said, the quotes you make are indeed troublesome.

[Wolf Larson]

It would be a tad too generalist to claim a forum is counterrevolutionary and anti-working class in its entirety, don't you think?

With that said, the quotes you make are indeed troublesome.
Indeed- [about the generalization]there are many good people on this forum. I was referring to the integrity of the forum since many of the moderators seem to be just that, anti democratic, anti working class authoritarians and dare I say young petty bourgeois cyber pseudo revolutionaries.

[Tatarin]

Who is this idiot then? Not human, since he talks how stupid all humans are? And why does this have to do with democracy? It isn't like we've ever voted on anything related to climate change, how to stop it, who gets to pay the bills, etc.

It is not strange that these things pops up now. Not long ago a newspaper printed a page of how wrong Marx really was, and that the rich really got richer by working their asses off! Pensions, semesters, benefits of any kind? Nah, it appears people choose those things because they can live with working less and getting less money in exchange for more free time!

What can I say? Beware of the dying tiger, for it can still bite?