Protect Businesses Rights!

[Havet]

We should all try and protect businesses rights from the exploitation taking place. A new term I recently coined will make it instantly recognizeable of what i'm talking about:

Investing Slavery

Similar to wage slavery, the concept is simple. Businesses, who are the source of all financial profits, are exploited by investors in the financial markets. The investors lend businesses money, and then demand the right to a surplus of what businesses produce.

Businesses, of course, have no choice on the matter, and remain in the bottom of the hierarchical pyramid.

Since I know for a fact that the opposition to rent/interest/usury is one of the (many) beliefs of communists, I hereby call for your aid in protecting these poor businesses rights from being exploited by greedy investing capitalists.

How about a protesting march on April 1st, on Washington DC? I can make at least two flags, but I need someone else to organize with the cardboards. :)

[Agapi]

Businesses, who are the source of all financial profits

What distinguishes these from traditional profits, for which the source of all is labor? What you're really describing is just capitalism plain and simple, where capital is lent to those that would work it for a cost.

[RGacky3]

We should all try and protect businesses rights from the exploitation taking place. A new term I recently coined will make it instantly recognizeable of what i'm talking about:

Investing Slavery

Similar to wage slavery, the concept is simple. Businesses, who are the source of all financial profits, are exploited by investors in the financial markets. The investors lend businesses money, and then demand the right to a surplus of what businesses produce.

Businesses, of course, have no choice on the matter, and remain in the bottom of the hierarchical pyramid.

Since I know for a fact that the opposition to rent/interest/usury is one of the (many) beliefs of communists, I hereby call for your aid in protecting these poor businesses rights from being exploited by greedy investing capitalists.

How about a protesting march on April 1st, on Washington DC? I can make at least two flags, but I need someone else to organize with the cardboards. :)

BUisinesses are not people, so who exactly is getting exploited in there?

[Invincible Summer]

You want to save capitalists... from being exploited... by... capitalists?


Hm. I wonder how that would go over on Revleft

[Bud Struggle]

Well it is the investors that push coporations to make higher and high profits. Well actually it the institutionalizing of investors (through Wall Street) stock sales and manipulations that constantly press companies for better and better short term earnings with little regard for long term strategies that make companies so reckless in their uses of resources and manpower.

[RGacky3]

Well it is the investors that push coporations to make higher and high profits. Well actually it the institutionalizing of investors (through Wall Street) stock sales and manipulations that constantly press companies for better and better short term earnings with little regard for long term strategies that make companies so reckless in their uses of resources and manpower.

Who are the PEOPLE that are getting exploited.

[Dean]

Well it is the investors that push coporations to make higher and high profits. Well actually it the institutionalizing of investors (through Wall Street) stock sales and manipulations that constantly press companies for better and better short term earnings with little regard for long term strategies that make companies so reckless in their uses of resources and manpower.

And what, businesses are somehow not profit driven before investors are introduced?

Investing in financial capitalism simply serves to streamline the model. Capitalist businesses want more and greater profits, and investment systems simply serve to make those heightened profits possible.


We should all try and protect businesses rights from the exploitation taking place. A new term I recently coined will make it instantly recognizeable of what i'm talking about:

Investing Slavery

Similar to wage slavery, the concept is simple. Businesses, who are the source of all financial profits, are exploited by investors in the financial markets. The investors lend businesses money, and then demand the right to a surplus of what businesses produce.

As usual, hayenmill is foregoing humanist interpretations of our economic system for idealist ones which anthropomorphize corporate structures, to concern himself with the rights of these objects rather than people.

But to be fair, I'm not sure if you're really this batshit insane, or if you're just joking. I hope, for your sake, its the latter...

[Jazzratt]

Protect Businesses Rights!

Piss off.

[Skooma Addict]

Piss off.

:crying:

[Che a chara]

Piss off.

:lol:

I hope hayenmill was somehow talking about protecting rights within capitalism. But worker ownership is the only way to stop exploitation to the best extent within capitalism. So worker co-op rights should be compulsory for businesses. :)

[Havet]

Piss off.

Yeesh, can't you guys take a joke anymore?...:glare:

[Klaatu]

I propose that we protect socialists and communists from slander, denigration, and exploitation by capitalists. Enough is enough already.

[Havet]

BUisinesses are not people, so who exactly is getting exploited in there?

Everyone in the business: the owner, the workers, the machines, the bits of dust, you get the point.

[Bud Struggle]

Yeesh, can't you guys take a joke anymore?...:glare:

They are after all, Communists. ;)

Best movie EVER on the Communist sense of humor: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0031725/

The movie played out in real life writ large in the late 80s and early 90s.


Ninotchka: Why do you want to carry my bags?
Porter: That is my business.
Ninotchka: That's no business. That's social injustice.
Porter: That depends on the tip.

Ninotchka: The last mass trials were a great success. There are going to be fewer but better Russians.

Leon: A Russian! I love Russians! Comrade, I've been fascinated by your five-year plan for the last fifteen years.

Ninotchka: I'm so happy, I'm so happy! Nobody can be so happy without being punished.

Oops. Let me say something politically redeeming:



And what, businesses are somehow not profit driven before investors are introduced?

Investing in financial capitalism simply serves to streamline the model. Capitalist businesses want more and greater profits, and investment systems simply serve to make those heightened profits possible.


The difference is that short term profits engender short term relationships between the companies owners and the workers--there's not time to build careers, no graceful learning curve for workers, no gaining years of experience and being compensated accordingly. In the end both the company suffers and the worker suffers.

This is why the real earned income of workers has been static or decreasing over the last 20 years or so.

[Publius]

We should all try and protect businesses rights from the exploitation taking place. A new term I recently coined will make it instantly recognizeable of what i'm talking about:

Investing Slavery

Similar to wage slavery, the concept is simple. Businesses, who are the source of all financial profits, are exploited by investors in the financial markets. The investors lend businesses money, and then demand the right to a surplus of what businesses produce.

Or investors are being exploited by businesses.

If I take 100,000 dollars of capital at 5% interest and use that to make 120,000, I net 15,000. The original investor could have invested the 100,000 he gave to me in exactly the way I did instead of loaning it to me. If he or she did that he or should would have netted 20,000 instead of only 5,000.

Everyone exploits everyone in capitalism. That's how it works. There is no ur-money there's just money.

[Drace]

Omg, you made an analogy! This completely proves EVERYTHING!

Dogs = Cats
Proof? THEY BOTH HAVE FUCKIN TAILS!

Why is anyone even taking this seriously?

[Dean]

The difference is that short term profits engender short term relationships between the companies owners and the workers--there's not time to build careers, no graceful learning curve for workers, no gaining years of experience and being compensated accordingly. In the end both the company suffers and the worker suffers.

This is why the real earned income of workers has been static or decreasing over the last 20 years or so.
The emphasized statement is the only one I disagree with. The fact is that computers have provided a lot of the necessary skill that human beings were once needed for. In addition, a saturated market of certain labor skills - primarily business oriented - has made seniority and advanced career compensation an unnecessary burden. This encumbers companies in the context of a competitive, profit-driven market. When it comes down to it, the stock of a company which has more of this burden has less potential, and will experience exponential losses as investors divest in their corporation, seeking more lucrative investments elsewhere.

And, as I pointed out earlier, this stock market system is a clear symptom of advanced capital. You can't have market competition without having this kind of a paradigm develop in some fashion.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The emphasized statement is the only one I disagree with. The fact is that computers have provided a lot of the necessary skill that human beings were once needed for. In addition, a saturated market of certain labor skills - primarily business oriented - has made seniority and advanced career compensation an unnecessary burden. This encumbers companies in the context of a competitive, profit-driven market. When it comes down to it, the stock of a company which has more of this burden has less potential, and will experience exponential losses as investors divest in their corporation, seeking more lucrative investments elsewhere.

And, as I pointed out earlier, this stock market system is a clear symptom of advanced capital. You can't have market competition without having this kind of a paradigm develop in some fashion.

So in short, value-based economics produces its own parasitic bureaucracy?

[RGacky3]

Everyone in the business: the owner, the workers, the machines, the bits of dust, you get the point.

The owners are technically the investors, the workers are exploited no matter what, the manegement controls the money so they arn't exploited, the people expect and investment, but unless they are huge investors they don't actually have any control over the money, and the best they can do is sell their stock. Also the big time investors, also are generally part of the top manegement class.


The difference is that short term profits engender short term relationships between the companies owners and the workers--there's not time to build careers, no graceful learning curve for workers, no gaining years of experience and being compensated accordingly. In the end both the company suffers and the worker suffers.

This is why the real earned income of workers has been static or decreasing over the last 20 years or so.

Not at all, because its the manegement the CEOs the CFOs, that want the short term profit, why? Because they want to attract more investors, then they get to control that money. The thing is the investors are not exploiting the CEOs, and the CEOs are not exploiting the investors, the CEOs are getting a huge chunk of that money and the investors are getting returns. When a company goes down the first people to drop are the workers, then the investors, somehow though the CEOs are ok.

THe real income of workers has been static of decreasing, because of both investors and manegement, both want to make more money, and the fact is, the big time investors, the ones that can turn it into actual market power, also happend to be part of the manegement class.

[Dean]

So in short, value-based economics produces its own parasitic bureaucracy?

I'm not 100% on what you mean. As far as I can tell, it depends on who defines these values - if you're talking about currency, then I think that might make sense. But I haven't seen any proof as such for that argument when applied to currency - just competition in general.

[LeftSideDown]

I think you guys missed the class on "Satire" during your years of education.

[ZombieGrits]

How about a protesting march on April 1st, on Washington DC?

lawl

[Havet]

lawl

Yay, someone understood the joke!

[Drace]

I hate you.