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SmashTheState
29th March 2010, 13:05
Hey everyone, new here, thought i would introduce myself to you all.

I have always been a Maoist since i got into politics but i am starting to see anarchism as the way forward, though i still am unsure of how practical totally abolishing the stae instead of creating a revolutionary one will be.

Anyway hope i see you on the forum.

Q
29th March 2010, 13:11
Welcome!

I hope you'll learn a lot and can teach us something too :)

revolution inaction
29th March 2010, 13:45
hi welcome :)

PHUNX
29th March 2010, 13:55
ˇSalud! I am glad to see you are coming to your senses

red cat
29th March 2010, 19:08
Welcome :)



I have always been a Maoist since i got into politics but i am starting to see anarchism as the way forward, though i still am unsure of how practical totally abolishing the stae instead of creating a revolutionary one will be.


Anarchism is a great idea, and we would have lived in a communist world had anarchism been practical, but the problem is that it is not.

Nolan
29th March 2010, 19:12
Hey everyone, new here, thought i would introduce myself to you all.

I have always been a Maoist since i got into politics but i am starting to see anarchism as the way forward, though i still am unsure of how practical totally abolishing the stae instead of creating a revolutionary one will be.

Anyway hope i see you on the forum.

It isn't practical. A truly democratic state will have a natural tendency toward anarchy anyway.

PHUNX
30th March 2010, 01:14
Welcome :)
Anarchism is a great idea, and we would have lived in a communist world had anarchism been practical, but the problem is that it is not.
and communism is i suppose, let me spell it out for you

Communism = FAILED
Fascism = FAILED
Capitalism = FAILING
Anarchism = ?

“I’d rather vote for something
I want and not get it, than vote
for something I don’t want,
and get it.”
–Eugene Debs


It isn't practical. A truly democratic state will have a natural tendency toward anarchy anyway.

how many truly democratic communist states do you know of

The Ben G
30th March 2010, 01:36
and communism is i suppose, let me spell it out for you

Communism = FAILED
Fascism = FAILED
Capitalism = FAILING
Anarchism = ?




how many truly democratic communist states do you know of

Well, there hasnt been any Communist States before. Technically they have all been some form of Socialism.

Nolan
30th March 2010, 01:53
Let me fix that for you:

Communism = betrayed by revisionists and greedy bureaucrats.
Fascism = head blown off
Capitalism = FAILING
Anarchism = FAILED





how many truly democratic socialist states do you know of

Gee, I wonder if that's mainly due to some outside influence or they're that way for fun...

Weezer
30th March 2010, 01:57
Well, there hasnt been any Communist States before. Technically they have all been some form of Socialism.

Communist states=oxymoron

Degenerated worker's states, yes.

Nolan
30th March 2010, 01:58
Communist states=oxymoron

Degenerated worker's states, yes.

I thought it was "deformed worker's states."

Weezer
30th March 2010, 02:03
I thought it was "deformed worker's states."

Nope. Degenerated Worker's State is the correct term to describe the USSR and such places in Trotskyist theory, IIRC.

PHUNX
30th March 2010, 05:21
Well, there hasnt been any Communist States before. Technically they have all been some form of Socialism.
you just keep telling yourself that :rolleyes:

Let me fix that for you:

Communism = betrayed by revisionists and greedy bureaucrats.
Fascism = head blown off
Capitalism = FAILING
Anarchism = FAILED

Gee, I wonder if that's mainly due to some outside influence or they're that way for fun...
"betrayed by revisionists and greedy bureaucrats" and what's to stop that from happening again "Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely"

Anarchism = FAILED
what's your bassist for this :confused:

Nolan
30th March 2010, 05:37
you just keep telling yourself that :rolleyes:

Don't be an idiot. There has never been a stateless society, thus it was socialism.


"betrayed by revisionists and greedy bureaucrats" and what's to stop that from happening again "Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely"

Use your imagination.


what's your bassist for this :confused:

:lol:

Someone give PHUNX the news please.

Q
30th March 2010, 08:50
Keep the trolling out of Introductions please. Kthx.

red cat
30th March 2010, 09:02
Good suggestion. :)

Rjevan
30th March 2010, 13:43
Hi and welcome! :)


Keep the trolling out of Introductions please. Kthx.
This.

Die Rote Fahne
30th March 2010, 18:29
I thought it was "deformed worker's states."

In Trotskyist political theory, deformed workers' states are states where the bourgeoisie[/URL] has been overthrown through social revolution[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_revolution"] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeoisie), the industrial means of production have been largely nationalized bringing benefits to the working class, but where the working has never held political power.

Modern examples considered by most Trotskyists as deformed workers states are: Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and The People's Republic of China.

AK
30th March 2010, 23:33
:lol:

Someone give PHUNX the news please.
He's been banned for supposed anti-semitism. Give me the news instead - why has Anarchism been a failure?