AntiFa? symbol

[JacobVardy]

There is a symbol i have come across and i am not sure that i understand it. A black disc with a single white arrow that rises left to right. The arrow is brocken (it dips briefly left to right). From context i understand this to be an AntiFa symbol but could some one enlighten me to the specifics?

[elf]

Nah, that's a squatter symbol. The Anti-Fa is more like the middle three symbols on the banner. That is, the flags.

This: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/CircleN.svg is the squatters symbol.

[Q]

Yes, this is a squatter symbol:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/CircleN.svg

This is (one of the many varieties) of AFA:

http://lakantifa.blogsport.de/images/antifalogo_01.gif

[Raightning]

It is worth noting that Antifa symbols do vary from country to country, and community to community, as you'd expect. But as an anti-fascist symbol, the red flag over black flag is the most common (and probably the best, in my opinion at least). I'm under 25 posts, so I can't post it, but there's a stencil-type picture of a comrade with a neck bandana and a slingshot that's often used.

[DenisDenis]

What is squatter? Does it have anything to do with Anarchism?

Yeah where I live you almost always see the text ANTIFA sometimes with an encircled A near it. I have never seen the two flags, which i like better actually...

[Raightning]

What is squatter? Does it have anything to do with Anarchism?


Squatting consists of occupying an abandoned or unoccupied space or building, usually residential, that the squatter does not own, rent or otherwise have permission to use.

Squatting is associated with anarchism, and fits in with anarchism given it's essentially a strike against the very notion of private property, but there's nothing particularly revolutionary about it. It's a good thing, and one often advocated by anarchists (indeed, squatted areas are often organised on anarchist and communist lines), but it's a bandaid over a capitalist problem the size of a missing arm.

[DenisDenis]

oh ok, now i understand! thx for the explanation, well here in belgium (mostly around ghent) there are lots of reports of squatters. And most people think of this as a good thing!

A couple of weeks ago there was a group of 9 people that lived together, that squatted a goverment owned housed, because they couldnt pay the rents in Ghent itself, and if they found a fitting place to stay the owner wouldnt let them because mostly he didn't like how the "family" lived together ( the group is composed of all working people and i thik 3 babies). So they were trialed by the state. But there was a lot of opposition from the neighbourhood as they said that when the familie moved in they started taking care of the building and opened up the very big garden for the children and people that wanted to take a walk there.

I was very pleased to see that the squatters got a good reputation! and the government didn't immediatly got its way.

Ultimately the trial was postponed because of some document that wasn't filled in correctly so i don't know how it turned out...

[JacobVardy]

Thanks all. Can anyone say what the symbol represents. Like a black over a red flag in a circle indicates anarchist AntiFa.

[Sasha]

the flags symbol got used first by the 1920/30's antifascist action wich was the "clandistine" streetfighting organisation of the german communist party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotfrontk%C3%A4mpferbund, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion#Germany).
same goes for the tree arrows one, wich was the symbol from the paramilitary organisation of the social democrats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_front)

the flags where origanily all red and where an reverence to the banned rothkampferbund, the offical communist paramilitairy wing of wich the antifaschistiche aktion was the folowup.

when the modern AFA got strated in the 80's they made one flag black because of the anarchist members influence in the new organisation.
now wich flag is first tells you mostly who is more dominant in the organsiation. Dutch, danish and eastern europe groups use the blackflag firts because they are anarchist dominated, (most) german and swedish have the red first.
recently in germany new groups strated to use the black flag first to distingues themself from the anti-german (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Germans_%28communist_current%29) dominated old groups and the stealing by the autonmus nazis who use the same symbol but with an white circel in the red flag (sic) .

[JacobVardy]

what do you think of this?

http://home.roaddawgz.org/stories/view_article.html?article_id=7ca6d4bd49d2ae58a5be0 1a9acf56973&this_category_id=194

It does not ring true to me but it is one of the few accounts i have been able to find of the genealogy of the CircleN

[Sasha]

(mostly) not true, i in fact know the guy who first used it in an squater related design.

the circle with the arow first got used the squating scene in amsterdam in the 70's/80's in propaganda involving the high-profile squat "de grote keizer".
taken indeed from the US hobo sign language, at first they used a straight arrow, as this symbol meant under hobo's "go on", as the slogan of the squat movement in amsterdam always been "kraken gaat door" roughly translating in "squating goes on/further"
later they made it an lightingbold because that just looked more cool.