Right Wing violence growing in the States....

[RadioRaheem84]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kziaTGghQcI&feature=sub

And this is just what the Brownshirts are doing to the liberal Democrats! Imagine what these wannabe FrieKorps squads will want to do when we organize and form a front? Imagine what they want to do to progressives!

The fact that they attacked minority members of the Democratic Party proves to me that this whole situation was never about losing their country to Communism, it's just all about race. They just hate the fact that they think they're losing the country to a bunch of "degenerates" in their eyes.

Hopefully it won't escalate to anything more than isolated attacks but seeing as how the nation is going down the tubes, we could expect more.

[Axle]

The Tea Party is starting to get out of control from what I can see.

Threatening Congressional members and vandalising government property, by the federal government's own defintion, makes them a terrorist group, doesn't it? Or do right-wing, pro-capitalist groups not qualify?

[Dimentio]

Wait until they start to hurt and kill people. Then, I guess the Republican Party would be quick to denounce them, which could even lead to splits from the GOP.

[Axle]

Wait until they start to hurt and kill people. Then, I guess the Republican Party would be quick to denounce them, which could even lead to splits from the GOP.

The Republicans might only denounce them symbolically, so long as the Tea Party is still on their side against Democrats.

[RadioRaheem84]

If they had been a Muslim group threatening GOP congressman then it would've been all over the news and it would've amplified the war on terror support. But of course since its right wing lunatics spurring the attacks, then little to no mention is made of it in the media. Isolated incidents like a distraught Nigerian boy wishing to blow up a plane is considered ample defense for the war on terror as it shows us "the face of the enemy", but when several right wing Whackos openly threaten US congressman, vandalize government property, then all of a sudden its isolated incidents that bear not mention. :rolleyes:

I swear there is some powerful group of vested interests that protects these thugs.

[Dimentio]

The Republicans might only denounce them symbolically, so long as the Tea Party is still on their side against Democrats.

Tea Party people are ticking on symbolic issues. If the Republicans denounce them, 90% would instantly be de-activated, while 10% either would form a new party or more likely militia groups.

[Barry Lyndon]

Theyr screaming like maniacs about the government "stealing their rights" and "destroying the Constitution". I mean, where the f***k were they the previous 8 years? It's like the mere existence of a black president makes them react this way like Pavlovian dogs.

I agree, there must be powerful people protecting them. Remember the story about a congressional supporter of the Tea Partyers openly advocating bringing GUNS to where Obama was speaking? I wouldn't be surprised if this 'movement' is being supported by people within the government, maybe even the CIA.

And were is antifa to beat the shit out of these people?

[Raúl Duke]

If the Republicans denounce them, 90% would instantly be de-activated, while 10% either would form a new party or more likely militia groups.

I have my doubts...

Most people who tend to vote Republican also tend to like to use the label "independent" in my opinion (working conducting political surveys). They could in theory break with the Republicans and try to make their "tea party" into an actual party or just continue counting on the support of pro-teaparty Republicans and help them win primaries even if the party states they don't support them.

[Axle]

I agree, there must be powerful people protecting them. Remember the story about a congressional supporter of the Tea Partyers openly advocating bringing GUNS to where Obama was speaking? I wouldn't be surprised if this 'movement' is being supported by people within the government, maybe even the CIA.


Absolutely. Conservative think-tanks like Freedom Works, which is chaired by former House Majority Leader, Dick Armey, who is also a lobbyist for DLA Piper (an international lawfirm that represents Global 1,000 and Fortune 500 companies) are directly responsible for organizing and directing the Tea Party movement. Then they get Fox News to promote it. Its a sick web of conservative filth.

[RadioRaheem84]

Freedom Works is a conservative organization? I figured it was a liberal think with several neo-cons involved in it.

[Axle]

Freedom Works is a conservative organization? I figured it was a liberal think with several neo-cons involved in it.

Oh god yes. They explicity state on their website that they want "lower taxes, less government and more economic freedom", and their key issues are basically parrallel to Republicans/Libertarians: http://www.freedomworks.org/issues

[Antifa94]

Antifa is coming. let's say Palin is nominated for 2012, there will be a lot of leftist anti-Tea Party violence.

[RadioRaheem84]

Oh god yes. They explicity state on their website that they want "lower taxes, less government and more economic freedom", and their key issues are basically parrallel to Republicans/Libertarians: http://www.freedomworks.org/issues (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.freedomworks.org/issues) __________________Oh right. Sorry I confused it with Freedom House, the Democratic think tank where many neo-cons dwell.

[Red Commissar]

Threatening Congressional members and vandalising government property, by the federal government's own defintion, makes them a terrorist group, doesn't it? Or do right-wing, pro-capitalist groups not qualify?

Of course they don't. Godless commies want higher taxes adn big gubmit. These groups, they fight for FREEDOM!

http://www.facepunch.com/fp/emoot/911.gif

*sigh*

Oh well, maybe one day there'll be a confrontation between these nutbags and antifa groups.

[Morgenstern]

If the Tea Party gets out of hand it will lead to a massive consciousness on the whole racist vs antifa issue in America. If there is significant violence then in the chaos it could be a good breeding ground to raise class consciousness.

The Tea Party will run out of steam eventually, they are merely a racist reaction to a black man as President.

[Martin Blank]

We've been advocating for a while that there is a need for united workers' action against the Nativists. But it seems like the leaders of a lot of groups aren't really interested -- their members are, but the leaderships are not.

[Salyut]

Antifa is coming. let's say Palin is nominated for 2012, there will be a lot of leftist anti-Tea Party violence.

Palin/Bachmann 2012. :cool:

I seriously think about getting out of North America these days. Is Luxembourg a nice place?

[The Ghost of Revolutions]

Whites in the USA are very fearful of becoming the minority. So it doesn't surprise me that they are turning to violence.

[cb9's_unity]

The fate of the Tea Party is far from being certain. If unemployment starts going down and tea party visions of the sky falling don't come true the movement might start to break down. Tea Party people seriously think that America is on the fringe of social chaos because of Obama's policy's. There are more than a few conservatives who will be surprised in a few years when the country isn't falling down around them.

If these attacks continue to go on and get worse the mainstream republicans are going to have to scramble to defend themselves. In fact every attack perpetrated by a right-winger against the democrats will hand a few batches of independents to the DNC this November.

However the real wild card in all these equations is the vast amount of right-wing militia groups. If one of them decides its time for action there will be a media shit storm for months.

[RadioRaheem84]

Isn't there a big one forming called the Oath Keepers. One of them threatened me online because of a youtube comment. He said something like, "just wait you liberal scum, your days will be numbered, we're coming for you, us oath keepers".

[Sasha]

The Domestic Terrorism of America's Right Wing

Posted by Dominic Holden (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/ArticleArchives?author=77764) on Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM

The Buffalo News reports on the fourth case of vandalism—domestic terrorism, if you will—of Democratic offices (http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/03/24/997471/slaughter-vandalism-is-fourth.html):

The window broken Friday at the Niagara Falls office of Rep. Louise M. Slaughter, D-Fairport, was one of at least four cases of vandalism targeting Democratic offices across the country late last week during the debate over health care reform. A window was also broken at the Monroe County Democratic headquarters in Rochester. In Tuscon, Ariz., a window at the office of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords also was broken. And at Democratic headquarters in Sedgewick County, Kan., a brick with anti-Obama and anti-health care messages was thrown.
In the South, militia man and organizer for the right Mike Vanderboeghsays that the bricks are simply an alternative to rifles (http://globalgrind.com/channel/news/content/1478643/More-Angry-Americans-Clinging-To-Their-Guns/):

"We can break their windows,” he said. “Break them NOW. And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary.”
But it sounds like the head of the Republican Party is ready to put Nancy Pelosi in front of a one of those rifles (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88783-steele-put-pelosi-on-the-firing-line):

RNC chairman Michael Steele took his rhetoric against Democrats to a new level last night, suggesting voters send Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to "the firing line." "This woman has been derelict in her leadership duty to the country by not listening, by taking the party and I believe the country down a bad road," Steele told Greta Van Sustren on Fox News. "And this November, they're going to pay. So let's start getting Nancy ready for the firing line this November."
And Sarah Palin had this message for her followers on Twitter (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2010/03/palin-says-reload-puts-a-gun-sight-target-on-kosmas-this-fall.html):

Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America : “Don’t Retreat, Instead RELOAD!” And then she linked to an image on her Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/dont-get-demoralized-get-organized-take-back-the-20/373854973434) of Democrats with rifle sights on their districts:
http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2010/03/24/1269444896-sarah_pac.jpg
At what point can we actually round up and arrest these people?



source: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/03/24/the-domestic-terrorism-of-americas-right-wing

[RadioRaheem84]

The GOP wants to see violence, they want the people stirred with hatred. Of course they'll deny everything in the end, saying that they didn't force people to do anything. :rolleyes:

[Dimentio]

Then there are the Real Oath Keepers, who are against the Oath Keepers XD

[cb9's_unity]

Isn't there a big one forming called the Oath Keepers. One of them threatened me online because of a youtube comment. He said something like, "just wait you liberal scum, your days will be numbered, we're coming for you, us oath keepers".

I just checked them out. They say they are "non-violent", but at least somewhat imply that that may change if Obama crosses some "line in the sand".

This (http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/) is a particularly interesting declaration I found on their site. They declare they will defiantly resist if the federal government if it "blockades American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps". The implication that there is the possibility of Obama blockading a city and letting its inhabitants die off in large proportions.

More interestingly they stand against "warrantless searches". Considering that was made popular during the Bush administration its revealing that they were formed after Obama's election. They were fine when Bush did it but felt the need to organize if Obama were to follow Bush's precedent.

They group could amount to nothing, but they could also end up being a powder keg.

[x359594]

The Republicans might only denounce them symbolically....

Yes, in much the same way they denounce the murderers of abortion providers, with qualified disapproval.

[The Red Next Door]

This would be a good time, to form a plain to counter this shit.

[Morgenstern]

Whites in the USA are very fearful of becoming the minority. So it doesn't surprise me that they are turning to violence.

These protestors from the right are simply white people afraid of losing their place in society, afraid to stop being the top dog. I am a white man and I am fine with finally opening the gates and allowing a more racial equality. It's simple logic, when you grow up hearing bigotry against other races you are bound to get very angry when the other races start to rise up in society. Considering many tea partyists are southerners this upbringing theory may be a bit plausible.



This would be a good time, to form a plain to counter this shit.

I agree, what we need is for workers to help stamp this out. If leftist parties start playing as a counter measure against rightist parties maybe this could bring media attention, at least a little bit. As we all know our politics don't get half the media airtime as every other one does. If the leadership doesn't want to help protest against these protests what the workers should do is simply say, "Screw you," and make truly revolutionary parties. While we cannot have a revolution against Capitalism we can have a 'mini-revolution' against racism and bigotry.

[Nolan]

Whites in the USA are very fearful of becoming the minority. So it doesn't surprise me that they are turning to violence.

That seems like something a fash would say. It's not "whites," just the right-wing fringe and its allies.

[ZombieGrits]

And were is antifa to beat the shit out of these people?

I know, right? If this was Europe there would be freakin' street fights against these fools, but in the US people don't even bat an eyelash? I swear we're on the way to being the Western counterpart to Saudi Arabia

[Guerrilla22]

The teabaggers are acting irrational, who would have imagined.

[cb9's_unity]

The teabaggers are acting irrational, who would have imagined.

It's honestly less about the irrationality itself and more about how poorly their hiding it.

[Red Commissar]

I know, right? If this was Europe there would be freakin' street fights against these fools, but in the US people don't even bat an eyelash? I swear we're on the way to being the Western counterpart to Saudi Arabia

Even if our antifa groups are put together, we would probably be outnumbered by the sheer size of this movement. Even considering that the Tea baggers tend to inflate their turn out numbers in major demos, they have a considerable sway over people.

The problem comes in that the Tea Movement taps into a lot of common and understandable angst that as been building up in segments of the American populace, that is,

-Tax burdens
-Immigration issues
-Ineffectiveness/overbearingness of government and other perceived issues of the state
-Social standards

And by and large these types of things get exacerbated when a Democrat gets elected to office (note though that the same people weren't doing anything in 2006 when Democrats gained considerable seats). Clinton had to face the same issue with right-wing groups, and we saw this culminate with Timothy McVeigh.

And thanks to the relatively short-sighted focus of the American people, these tea baggers don't seem to actually offer any solutions. If I may use a popular argument that right-wingers employ against us, their things about "small government, low taxes, and LIBERTY" look good on paper but how do they plan on going about to acheive it? I haven't heard anything from them in regards to that.

Not to mention that this kind of mentality you can even find in cold war propaganda in the 1950s. I was watching one a few years ago and I remember the same sort of arguments- small government, low taxes, economic "freedom".

If only these people could see they are being manipulated by the same people who already control the government.

As to why Americans don't come out against this, these kind of groups have been gaining traction in Europe using the same issues- governmental issues/ineffectiveness, tax burden, immigration, etc. Front National in France, the PVV in the Netherlands, and a number of other groups. However it seems Europe has reached a consensus by all parties on the nature of social welfare. Additionaly, socialism (in its varying forms) is accepted a legitimate political ideology by many Europeans, even if they don't believe in it or are set against it. This is not the case in the United States. Simply put even parties that are centre-right in Europe may seem to a tea bagger a red flag-waving no good commie ;)

[Salyut]

Isn't there a big one forming called the Oath Keepers. One of them threatened me online because of a youtube comment. He said something like, "just wait you liberal scum, your days will be numbered, we're coming for you, us oath keepers".

The members are veterans or actively serving in the military. The guy on youtube got arrested for molesting his daughter or something.

[Wolf Larson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kziaTGghQcI&feature=sub

And this is just what the Brownshirts are doing to the liberal Democrats! Imagine what these wannabe FrieKorps squads will want to do when we organize and form a front? Imagine what they want to do to progressives!

The fact that they attacked minority members of the Democratic Party proves to me that this whole situation was never about losing their country to Communism, it's just all about race. They just hate the fact that they think they're losing the country to a bunch of "degenerates" in their eyes.

Hopefully it won't escalate to anything more than isolated attacks but seeing as how the nation is going down the tubes, we could expect more.

They were manufactured by the corporate Media no different than the liberals they oppose. I like to refer people to one of the findings in the Stanford Prison Study- how the guards pinned prisoner against prisoner so that the prisoners anger and frustration would be taken out on each other rather than the guards.

"The guards continued to use tormenting tactics to confuse the prisoners into thinking they were bad prisoners and then use other tactics into making them think they were good prisoners-and so on. These tactics were used to break up the prisoners relations with each other to avoid further conflict in the form of a rebellion. These tactics also played a role in bringing the guards together as a solid force. In the case with one prisoner, who was a smoker, the guards were able to control his behavior because they were the ones to say when and if he was allowed to smoke."

Then we have the psychological tactics/social manipulation first employed by Edward Bernays and Walter Lippman who used Gustave Le Bon's work on crowd psychology to manipulate the American mind [Le Bon was the same sociologist Goebbels used to manipulate Germans]. It's not the Tea Party people themselves who are the major problem but the system of American propaganda being used to manufacture the right/left paradigm [consent/fake dissent] in order to divide and manipulate our social power. One of if not the most important tasks we face, in my opinion, is marginalizing the propaganda machine, both liberal and conservative, as they are intrinsically linked together and serve to garner the results we see today. The result being a bill no one liked being passed and the fact no one wanted it has been obscured by the hyperbolic partisan divide. Things aren't just organically happening in our nation. The social environment is being manipulated from the top down. Tea Party people are simply stepping into the role they have been assigned to play same as liberals but in the end both only strengthen capitalism.

[Wolf Larson]

We make a mistake when we see them as the problem. Liberals are just as bad. If some right wing conservative stayed in office for 12 years, if Bush would have stayed in office another 4 years there would have been a revolution. Obama has just come along and legitimized Bush era policies for liberal consumption. The Democrats manufacture more consent for capitalism than Republicans do. Get it? If we let capitalists create a "free market" there will be a revitalized revolutionary element in America as there was during the industrial revolution. Both Dem and Rep's know a free market will end up in the overthrow of capitalism. In reality they're all Keynesian but play silly psychological games with the people to keep our social power from uniting as one against capitalism. Both the liberal and conservative capitalist constituent play their roles. Neither one is any more destructive than the other to our cause [but I do think Randroids and anarcho capitalists would be forming armed resistance to socialism but that's why the capitalists have their state]. Whats more dangerous is liberal and conservative support for the state. Conservatives support the military/police state and liberals support the capitalist nanny state [ the Keynesian nanny which has only served to save capitalism from itself]. We need to get the conservatives to see the private sector as their enemy and we need to get liberals to see the state as their enemy. It's that simple :)

[Red Commissar]

I agree with that sentiment, though I think the Tea baggers are still more dangerous. Not purely out of ideological reasons but just simply their staggering ignorance while feeling they are in the right and "patriotic" duty to fix the issue at any cost... there is a problem.

I take a tea bagger comment from a news comments page over here in Texas over housing ordinances against "illegal" immigrants being allowed to buy housing.


When illegal criminals from a foreign nation have more rights than American citizens, then the time has come to rise up and fight.

Government is infected with the cancer of liberalism and socialism - evil movements which were responsible for tens of millions of deaths in the 20th century. Liberalism uses class warfare to pit Americans against one another. Liberalism punishes success and freedom and rewards loyalty to the government.

You as an American have a God given Constitutional right to make laws in your community which reflect YOUR standards and YOUR values. This is your country, not theirs.

Fight these bastards before you lose everything. Speak out, protest, and vote.

At least liberals, or at least the ones I meant, are willing to talk and debate things, even if they think I'm a radical nut. I can't say the same about tea baggers.

[bcbm]

"We can break their windows,” he said. “Break them NOW. And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary.”

anarchists must be pissed about the republicans stealing their tactics.

[Wolf Larson]

Since when has breaking windows been violence? It's vandalism.

[bcbm]

Since when has breaking windows been violence? It's vandalism.

this argument is so inane. how do you break a window? hitting it with a hammer? that is violence. throwing a brick? violence. kicking it? violence. and so what?

[Wolf Larson]

this argument is so inane. how do you break a window? hitting it with a hammer? that is violence. throwing a brick? violence. kicking it? violence. and so what?

Violence is an act of physical aggression against a living being. I can tell you don't like anarchists. If you want to talk about violence we can talk about what happened when the state was taken over by an "elite" minority class in communist nations. How many excuses do you have in your grab bag? Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the Tea Party peoples use of vandalism because they're not fighting for the emancipation of the working class they are fighting to subjugate the working class [ironically most of them are working class] nor do I condone the blac bloc when they smash windows because I think it takes away from our ability to attract less passionate working people to the cause all I'm doing here is REFUSING to label vandalism as violence. The bullet/gun shot through the representatives window was in fact violence because it could have killed a human being and the threats of violence are also unacceptable as is the motivation behind their anger.They are ignorant no different than the people who support this bill.

This is a perfect example of how the manufactured Tea Party has created reactionaries on the left who are stooping to apologetic sycophantic levels of absurdity in order to defend Democrats and their right wing corporate healthcare bill. We should have been in the streets, not with the same motives as the Tea Party people, but, we should have been in the streets protesting this corporate capitalist health care bill. If we were smart enough to have strongly opposed this scam of a bill and some windows were smashed in the process would you be on here spewing self righteous moral indignation in defense of the poor helpless windows? You advocate violence. You advocate revolution. Do you think we would nicely ask the capitalists to give up their state? Don't be such a hypocrite. The thing we should criticize is the reactionary nature of the Tea Party people. They're doing exactly what the system wants them to do. This right wing health care bill was labeled "socialism" so now, after the passage of this right wing bill there will be a right wing push to take back congress which will take us on into the right wing future from a right wing present. The entire political paradigm is a joke. I suspect you're a closet liberal.This forum and the left in general is oozing with closet liberals. Anarchism is also not about pacifism you should know. Tolstoy wasn't an anarchist. Are you a reformist? Yes? Do you plan on taking over the state through parliamentary socialism? Either way, both the supporters of this bill and the Tea Party opposition to the bill have one thing in common. They are both right wing idiots who can't see reality.

[The Ghost of Revolutions]

That seems like something a fash would say. It's not "whites," just the right-wing fringe and its allies.
Should of been more clear. Right wing fringes groups who happen to be white have an irrational fear of health care and an increase in the minority population have began turning there fear into violence.

[Wolf Larson]

Should of been more clear. Right wing fringes groups who happen to be white have an irrational fear of health care and an increase in the minority population have began turning there fear into violence.

Tea Party people oppose this bill for the wrong reasons - they're idiots who think this bill is socialistic. Why do you support the bill [new law]? Do you also think the bill/law is socialistic? Perhaps some of us on the left have more in common with the Tea Party idiots than we'd like to admit?

[Wolf Larson]

This would be a good time, to form a plain to counter this shit.

This would be a good time for a plan to counter the mass media propaganda machine that's churning out both liberal and conservative capitalist sycophants. Whenever you see right wingers protesting a right wing capitalist bill you know there's some subversive social manipulation going on [from the top down]. It's all clear to me but I guess I need to articulate my point better in a future post when I can muster up enough give a shit. This is all I can muster up :

http://www.revleft.com/vb/dennis-kucinich-now-t131287/index.html

[Salyut]

[ur=http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/fbi_investigating_cut_gas_line_at_home_of_dem_reps .php]FBI Investigating Cut Gas Line At Home Of Dem Rep's Brother.[/url]

derp

[Red Commissar]

In light of all this, Sarah Palin panders to the crowd and makes an incredibly stupid choice of words. Unsurprisingly. (Resposting psycho 's bit on the last page)

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID14552/images/pac%281%29.jpg

Nice little hit list there

[Axle]

In light of all this, Sarah Palin panders to the crowd and makes an incredibly stupid choice of words. Unsurprisingly.

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID14552/images/pac%281%29.jpg

Nice little hit list there

Yeah, I like the crosshairs they've got going. Real fucking subtle.

[Tatarin]

One thing I never understood with the "freedom!"-movement is the immigration issue. They want smaller government and more control of their lives? So why should these people decide who can and can not come into the country? Do they mean that they want more state control over immigration? In that case, they're asking for more government, not less, no?

This is an argument that is seen all over Europe nowadays. Those evil moslems come here and decide, but we want freedom! So we must give up the freedom of immigration! Terrorism? Just register that you even need air to live, all for the sake of security! Firecracker in the pants? Strip naked in front of the full-body scanners! In the end, the squabble about China's censorship is just some ancient gas in the wind compared to the new and open western society.

I think the positive thing about the Teaholes is that, at least from this view, many appears to be quite old, relics from some ancient "whites-only" time with a background of the Roosevelt reforms.

By the way, aren't the Teaholes the same people who hate us bleeding heart communists when we demonstrate instead of work for a living? What the hell are they doing out there?

[Dimentio]

Cut the anarchist-vs-marxist crap now. This is a thread about right-wingers in contemporary America, not sailors in the USSR of the 1920's.

[The Ghost of Revolutions]

Tea Party people oppose this bill for the wrong reasons - they're idiots who think this bill is socialistic. Why do you support the bill [new law]? Do you also think the bill/law is socialistic? Perhaps some of us on the left have more in common with the Tea Party idiots than we'd like to admit?
Thats why I said irratinonal fear of the health care bill because it is not socialism but they think it is.

[What Would Durruti Do?]

Yeah, I like the crosshairs they've got going. Real fucking subtle.

or..

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kHrG2y-ZEuw/R8F5yaJU-wI/AAAAAAAAAOA/wCB0trAz_Mk/s400/LE7VCACZXYZBCAJ09X00CAV4ZSRCCAIHHQ7YCADW55DICALSWV D7CALD3SVFCAP12H6SCAW2SJD4CAD2XSXRCAW07Y04CA5NGZYM CA4CS8DNCAP7DY00CAKCBVGMCAJD5FNGCAS6GD35CAWCFA9M.j pg

[RadioRaheem84]

Zing!

[Red Commissar]

http://www.wkrn.com/global/story.asp?s=12208009

*sigh*

These idiots make political struggle seem retarded.

[MaoTseHelen]

Don't just talk, organize. I can't think of a time the US has needed Antifa in a big way more than right now.

[bcbm]

Violence is an act of physical aggression against a living being.

no, its just an act of physical aggression. if i went into a store and started smashing everything with a baseball bat, i don't think anyone would suggest i was not being violent.


I can tell you don't like anarchists.lol wut?


If you want to talk about violence we can talk about what happened when the state was taken over by an "elite" minority class in communist nations.i guess we could but i'm not sure what that has to do with anything.


How many excuses do you have in your grab bag?for what?


all I'm doing here is REFUSING to label vandalism as violence.not all vandalism is violence, but some certainly is. the act of throwing something through a window or physically hitting it with another object is a violent act.


The bullet/gun shot through the representatives window was in fact violence because it could have killed a human beingwas anybody in the office at the time? and you don't think other methods of breaking windows could injure human beings?


This is a perfect example of how the manufactured Tea Party has created reactionaries on the left who are stooping to apologetic sycophantic levels of absurdity in order to defend Democrats and their right wing corporate healthcare bill.wait, what?


If we were smart enough to have strongly opposed this scam of a bill and some windows were smashed in the process would you be on here spewing self righteous moral indignation in defense of the poor helpless windows?some were (http://coloradoindependent.com/36568/transgender-anarchist-ariel-attack-suspected-in-dem-vandalism). and i don't recall spewing any moral indignation about windows being broken.


You advocate violence.not really.


You advocate revolution."the force of an insurrection if social, not military."


I suspect you're a closet liberal.This forum and the left in general is oozing with closet liberals. Anarchism is also not about pacifism you should know. Tolstoy wasn't an anarchist. Are you a reformist? Yes? Do you plan on taking over the state through parliamentary socialism?i suspect you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Wolf Larson]

One thing I never understood with the "freedom!"-movement is the immigration issue. They want smaller government and more control of their lives? So why should these people decide who can and can not come into the country? Do they mean that they want more state control over immigration? In that case, they're asking for more government, not less, no?

This is an argument that is seen all over Europe nowadays. Those evil moslems come here and decide, but we want freedom! So we must give up the freedom of immigration! Terrorism? Just register that you even need air to live, all for the sake of security! Firecracker in the pants? Strip naked in front of the full-body scanners! In the end, the squabble about China's censorship is just some ancient gas in the wind compared to the new and open western society.


I think the positive thing about the Teaholes is that, at least from this view, many appears to be quite old, relics from some ancient "whites-only" time with a background of the Roosevelt reforms.

By the way, aren't the Teaholes the same people who hate us bleeding heart communists when we demonstrate instead of work for a living? What the hell are they doing out there?

The Effect of Immigration
"The large scale employer looking at greater profitability or the way to cut costs has several options open, the easiest and laziest being to cut wages. If the workers are well-organised they can resist this so there are two options open to the major capitalist. Either take the factories to where the cheap labour is or take the cheap labour to where the factories are. The first option entails great pollution, as a rule — not that they ever care about that — and in some cases they have to go into areas of political instability. It is cheaper to move the cheap labour.
Having thus encouraged immigration, wearing the financial hat as it were, the capitalist in the capacity of a right-wing politician, dons the political hat and denounces immigration. This has the advantage of setting worker against worker, fuelled by religious and/or racial antipathies which can persist for generations, and have the added bonus of inducing the worker to support the right wing electorally. It does the capitalist no harm to have a work force hated by those who surround them, or in fear of deportation if they step out of line. Nor does it harm the capitalist, in a political context, to have issues such as immigration replace the basic issue of the wage and monetary system. It only becomes harmful from that point of view when a fascist force such as Hitler’s gains such armed might that it can ignore the wishes of the capitalists which gave them that power and strives for its own superiority."
Albert Meltzer-

[Wolf Larson]

Cut the anarchist-vs-marxist crap now. This is a thread about right-wingers in contemporary America, not sailors in the USSR of the 1920's.
Well, anytime a person wants to chide anarchists I'm not going to just say thank you may I have another. I'm no pacifist.

[Salyut]

Just take a look at this howling morass of insanity. (http://www.americanmilitiamovement.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2312)

[Nolan]

Just take a look at this howling morass of insanity. (http://www.americanmilitiamovement.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2312)

Well I have a new forum to troll now :lol:

[GPDP]

Well I have a new forum to troll now :lol:

You should totally introduce yourself as a libertarian, state that you are pro-gun ownership, etc. That way they'll welcome you. Then slowly but surely reveal your left-wing views, and when they question you, say something like "I thought libertarians were welcome here. This IS a forum for libertarian socialists, right?" Then sit back and watch the fireworks.

[Axle]

Just take a look at this howling morass of insanity. (http://www.americanmilitiamovement.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2312)

I'm half amused and half disgusted.

[zimmerwald1915]

Just take a look at this howling morass of insanity. (http://www.americanmilitiamovement.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2312)
Clot, clot, clot, clot my bleeding eyes.

[Salyut]

And so it begins... (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62S40Q20100329)

[Antifa94]

oh, fuck.

[RadioRaheem84]

I think there is going to be a new campaign by liberals against extremism and this is going to include leftists. The bombing in Athens, Moscow and the attempted murder of a police official by right wing groups in the US will prompt liberals in the media to get citizens to denounce all extremes including Marxism, anarchism and probably even progressivism.


It would be a chance for them to pronounce how theirs is the lovely middle that provides peace and security.
I just hate it when people include Marxism, Socialism and the like as the "far left" extremist groups in the same vein as Islamic fascists and Christo-Libertarian proto-fascists.

Does anyone else get the feeling that we're like right back to the dilemma of the 30s?

[CartCollector]

And were is antifa to beat the shit out of these people?

Antifa? Are you kidding me? This is AMERICA we're talking about! Fascism's a non-issue. It can't happen here!


Unless Obama does it. lol