Workers Solidarity with PFLP

[Saorsa]

http://www.pflp.ps/english/?q=new-zealand-solidarity-campaign-announces-first-do

My mum would be so proud. :thumbup1:

http://www.pflp.ps/english/files/images/newzealand-demo.jpg

New Zealand solidarity campaign announces first donation made to PFLP

http://www.pflp.ps/english/?q=node/2245

The PFLP Solidarity Campaign of the Workers Party of New Zealand issued a statement on March 23, 2010, stating that it had transferred 1,000 New Zealand Dollars to the PFLP, collected through selling t-shirts to support Palestinian resistance. The external branch of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine confirmed that it had received the funds, saying in a statement to WPNZ that it had "received these donations as an expression of solidarity from the people of New Zealand to the Palestinian people."

The PFLP salutes our comrades in the Workers Party of New Zealand and the PFLP Solidarity Campaign and urges all to emulate their example in supporting Palestinian resistance and shattering so-called 'anti-terrorist' lists. This step strengthens the relationship between our two peoples as well as our parties, and illustrates the importance of supporting revolutionary forces without conditions and emphasizes the importance of international solidarity for progress, liberation and socialism.

The WPNZ issued the following press release:

Due to the generosity and support of progressive people in New Zealand for the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) and the Palestinian cause, the PFLP solidarity campaign are happy to announce the first transfer of funds. One Thousand NZ Dollars raised by the campaign has been received by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine for their use in whatever manner they deem most effective in resisting ongoing Israeli oppression, racism and military occupation.

The majority of the money has been raised through the sale of "Resistance is not Terrorism" t-shirts throughout the country. A new t-shirt is being designed featuring Leila Khaled, PFLP activist and resistant fighter, and will be released at a nationwide launch on the anniversary of the creation of the Zionist state of Israel, known by Palestinians as the "Nakba", or catastrophe, on May 15th.

The campaign opposes the re-establishment of an Israeli embassy or any diplomatic relations with the Zionist state and deplores a recent announcement by Murray McCully, that a Working Holiday Scheme will "deepen our tourism and education links, and over time contribute to growth in our bilateral commercial, trade and investment links" with Israel.

Campaign co-ordinator Mike Walker stated that "instead of extending diplomatic ties with Israel we should be cutting them altogether, following the examples of Venezuela and Bolivia" .

The campaign seeks to challenge the political paradigm that allows legitimate National Liberation movements to be labelled as terrorist organisations, and the undemocratic way in which terrorist laws are administered. Prime Minister John Key recently added organisations to the 'terrorist list' in New Zealand, with no consultation, justifying it by stating they engaged in "terrorist acts including the indiscriminate killing of civilians and assassination of political leaders." This statement lacks any credibility when New Zealand’s government seeks to strengthen links with the state of Israel that targets and kills political leaders, trade unionists, writers, cultural exemplars, community activists, local leaders, and student organisers while waging an economic and military war against a civilian population that has been under the tyranny of the longest running illegal military occupation in recent history.

Walker stated that by funding the Palestinian Resistance movement directly "people in New Zealand can stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people and their resistance, however that manifests itself", while supporting the PFLP "and its vision of a single secular state in all of Palestine, where all people regardless of race, gender or religious beliefs have equal rights."

[ContrarianLemming]

we're all technically terrorists though arn't we? makes me get a fuzzy feeling in my stomach..

[RedScare]

Why announce stuff like this? Doesn't it just bring the government down on your head?

[Saorsa]

Why announce stuff like this? Doesn't it just bring the government down on your head?

The government knows who I am already. They know what I do. They have a file on me, I know this, and the campus cops have a photo of me pinned to their wall :lol:

Mossad will already have seen the photo. It's also on my party's website. Posting it here makes no difference. I'm proud that the tshirt I'm wearing right now helps the PFLP buy bullets to kill IDF soldiers with.

[danyboy27]

I'm proud that the tshirt I'm wearing right now helps the PFLP buy bullets to kill IDF soldiers with.

good for you.

[Saorsa]

good for you.

Cheers mate. If you want to order one yourself (and be able to claim you helped out next time the PFLP kill a Zionist), I can arrange for one to be sent to you. Keen?

[originofopinion]

How Much are they? Shipping to Canada would Cost?

[danyboy27]

Cheers mate. If you want to order one yourself (and be able to claim you helped out next time the PFLP kill a Zionist), I can arrange for one to be sent to you. Keen?
no thanks.

[RadioRaheem84]

no thanks.

yeah are you sure you want to be affiliated with the PFLP?

[danyboy27]

yeah are you sure you want to be affiliated with the PFLP?
I Perfers not to talk about it, i did everything that i could so far not to troll this.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Cheers mate. If you want to order one yourself (and be able to claim you helped out next time the PFLP kill a Zionist), I can arrange for one to be sent to you. Keen?

That would actually be awesome! I'd be proud to own a shirt that helped in revolutionary battle!

[Saorsa]

Well, everyone who wants a shirt PM me and I'll make sure it happens. They cost NZ $30 plus shipping. We make no profit - all the money beyond expenses goes straight to the PFLP to fund their struggle.

EDIT: The shirts can actually be ordered online very easily. Follow this link (http://wpnz-pflp-solidarity.blogspot.com/), and on the right hand side of the page there is an order form.

[danyboy27]

send me the link where i can buy t-shirt to rebuild palestinian infrastructures.

[The Vegan Marxist]

send me the link where i can buy t-shirt to rebuild palestinian infrastructures.

Although I'd buy a shirt that does that too, but palestinian infrastructures aren't going to free the palestinian people.

[danyboy27]

Although I'd buy a shirt that does that too, but palestinian infrastructures aren't going to free the palestinian people.

who care about running water anyway.

[bailey_187]

send me the link where i can buy t-shirt to rebuild palestinian infrastructures.

There are loads of charities you can donate to for that.

[danyboy27]

There are loads of charities you can donate to for that.

yup.

[The Red Next Door]

congratulation, you're on the homeland security, watchlist. :D

[The Vegan Marxist]

congratulation, you're on the homeland security, watchlist. :D

Back when I was in high school, my own school threatened me that I could be put on homeland security's terrorist watch list, because, at the time, I was a conspiracy theorist & I ended up starting a protest at the school demanding for "9/11 truth". They even brought a Fed to the school to talk to me. It was straight up b.s., even though I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job anymore, because they suspended me instead until the 12th of September. They made sure I didn't show up to start something during the 11th.

[Dr Mindbender]

Cheers mate. If you want to order one yourself (and be able to claim you helped out next time the PFLP kill a Zionist), I can arrange for one to be sent to you. Keen?

can i just donate directly to pay for the bullets instead?

How much do they need for an AK-47?

[ContrarianLemming]

I really only support such resistence when its based on fighting oppresion and tyranny for homeland, the moment you describe the enemy a "zionists" or "zionist bastards" i am turned off by the very idea of supporting these guys, this should have nothing to do with the IDF's religion, just there boots on your land

[Pirate Utopian]

I really only support such resistence when its based on fighting oppresion and tyranny for homeland, the moment you describe the enemy a "zionists" or "zionist bastards" i am turned off by the very idea of supporting these guys, this should have nothing to do with the IDF's religion, just there boots on your land
Zionist does NOT mean Jew.

Zionism means a supporter of the development and defense of Israel, and to encourage people to settle there.

I hope that you can see why we as leftists would be oppossed to that.

[ContrarianLemming]

Zionist does NOT mean Jew.

Zionism means a supporter of the development and defense of Israel, and to encourage people to settle there.

I hope that you can see why we as leftists would be oppossed to that.

I thought Zionism is the belief that the jews were promised a homeland by God, perhaps that's what it was after WW 2, not any longer?

It's worth noteing that the Zionist movement was quite weak before WW2, but the Nazis killed off most of it's opponents, it was mostly supporters who survived, an incredibale twist of faith.

[bailey_187]

I thought Zionism is the belief that the jews were promised a homeland by God


Yeah. Unfortunatly other people were already living there.

[freepalestine]

I really only support such resistence when its based on fighting oppresion and tyranny for homeland, the moment you describe the enemy a "zionists" or "zionist bastards" i am turned off by the very idea of supporting these guys, this should have nothing to do with the IDF's religion, just there boots on your land


I thought Zionism is the belief that the jews were promised a homeland by God, perhaps that's what it was after WW 2, not any longer?

It's worth noteing that the Zionist movement was quite weak before WW2, but the Nazis killed off most of it's opponents, it was mostly supporters who survived, an incredibale twist of faith.
what has all that got to do with supporting palestine against oppression..
. n.b. you should check the facts of the situation there

[ContrarianLemming]

what has all that got to do with supporting palestine against oppression..
. n.b. you should check the facts of the situation there

I took you're talking of fighting "zionists" as anti semetic, i was incorrect, back to the thread

[Robocommie]

Yeah, Leftists uphold the historical fact of the Holocaust and we condemn oppression or persecution of Jews, and express solidarity with them, but we oppose Israel because it's an ethnic nationalist state that has formed a situation of apartheid overlordship over the Palestinians. We're not like the white supremacist morons who oppose Israel because it's Jewish, and references to Zionism should not be confused with the tinfoil hat racist concept of "ZOG" or any other anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

[Spawn of Stalin]

Awesome, PFLP are excellent. I might order a shirt.

[Saorsa]

They're very stylish. The one thing to keep in mind though - for all my generally flippant attitude, this isn't a game. In New Zealand, the PFLP aren't yet on the terror list (although they're talking about it) so I can't go to jail for this. But in the US and I believe either all or most countries in the EU, they are. So this is something you should think through and should only really do if you're part of an organisation that supports your action and is prepared to back you up if you get in trouble.

That said, we've sold the things to people in Germany, the UK, the States, Argentina, Hong Kong... And so far nobodies gotten in trouble for it. So the risk is low.

[~Spectre]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8c/Ich_Bin_Eine_Terroristin.JPG/794px-Ich_Bin_Eine_Terroristin.JPG


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But seriously, I hope PFLP aren't involved in any civilian attacks (for obvious reasons, as well as for everyone here who may involve themselves in this sort of thing). What will eventually force Israel to end the occupation will be when they've outlived their geo-political usefulness to the U.S.

I'd also submit that economic protest against Israel and zionist entities may be far more fruitful for leftists to pursue.

[ContrarianLemming]

I assume the PFLP have done some dirty things, just goes with the bussiness there in, there undoubtably mostly racists who dislike the west and people like us, but it doesn't matter, we support the movement, not the individual

[The Vegan Marxist]

I assume the PFLP have done some dirty things, just goes with the bussiness there in, there undoubtably mostly racists who dislike the west and people like us, but it doesn't matter, we support the movement, not the individual

"We need a dirty mind to build a dirty bomb." ~Fun-da-mental

[Nolan]

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But seriously, I hope PFLP aren't involved in any civilian attacks (for obvious reasons, as well as for everyone here who may involve themselves in this sort of thing).

Trust me, they will be, if you get my drift. And the media will crucify them and divert attention from Zionist crimes. To the uniformed, they'll just be another "terrorist" group. That's what happened to FARC, that's what happened to PCP...

[~Spectre]

Trust me, they will be, if you get my drift. And the media will crucify them and divert attention from Zionist crimes. To the uniformed, they'll just be another "terrorist" group. That's what happened to FARC, that's what happened to PCP...


I feel ya.

Putting aside the actual question of will they or won't they, and the morality of the matter, I think your point sort of gets at what I was hinting at originally when I mentioned "other more fruitful alternatives".


All else aside, I feel this sort of thing is simply bad long term strategy for our movements. Several posts have basically posted things like "help pay for the bullets to kill Zionists", to loosely paraphrase.

If I may ask, when/what exactly in Israel's history have they ever demonstrated to even remotely give a flying f*ck about about losing a couple (and that's all you'll ever get is a couple) of Zionists here and there?

A cursory look at Israeli policy shows you that their ruling interests don't really care about safety nor the threat they face from militancy. In fact I'd go so far as to say that at times they welcome it, so as to attempt to use propaganda to legitimize their massive violent expansion.


Israel, like all states, seems to be much more reactive to economic ebbs and flows ( I recall reading that this is why they decided to siege Gaza instead of continuing to occupy it [cheaper]). If you want to hit the Zionists where it hurts them, then their wallets are the clear targets.

A few extra AKs aren't going to break the Israeli state nor "fix" the problem, though such transactions can hurt the movements who try to pull them off.

Attacking their economic base is a de facto attack on their war machine, far more effective than killing a few soldiers.

Not just the local Israeli economy mind you, but the foreign companies and businessmen that donate and basically finance things like settlements etc.. These are the areas where we should be devoting a lot more effort to.

Attack the supply line.

[eyedrop]

Danish association sentenced for supporting terrorism (http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/03/17/danish-association-sentenced-for-supporting-terrorism/)

Posted on17 March 2010. Tags: Denmark (http://www.icenews.is/index.php/information/denmark/), EU (http://www.icenews.is/index.php/information/eu/), FARC (http://www.icenews.is/index.php/information/farc/), palestine (http://www.icenews.is/index.php/information/palestine/), terrorism (http://www.icenews.is/index.php/information/terrorism/)
http://www.icenews.is/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/danish-flag.jpgThe spokesman for Danish association Foreningen Opror has been sentenced by a district court to a suspended six-month prison term over allegations of supporting terrorism.
The Copenhagen District Court declared that associations within Denmark cannot by law obtain funding or encourage others to financially support rebel terrorist groups such as the PFLP or FARC, and has handed down the suspended sentence against the Opror group’s spokesman, Patrick McManus, accordingly.


This is what can happen if you are unlucky, be cautious.

[Chambered Word]

Shit Alastair, the pigs must really hate you by now.

I'm considering buying a shirt, so long as I won't get partyvanned. :D

[freepalestine]

I took you're talking of fighting "zionists" as anti semetic, i was incorrect, back to the threadwhat does that have to do with what i said in my reply.get your facts right about the 'topic' first


I assume the PFLP have done some dirty things, just goes with the bussiness there in, there undoubtably mostly racists who dislike the west and people like us, but it doesn't matter, we support the movement, not the individualracists????!what makes you say that about palestinian leftists + pflp,or all palestinians for that matter...enough of the sweeping statements...

[freepalestine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJdOOK5jQsk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJdOOK5jQsk)

[Crux]

I was a conspiracy theorist
Somehow this doesn't surprise me at all.

The PFLP seem alright. I mean, there's certainly worse groups you could be campaigning for, and yeah strengthening the socialist wing of the palestinian resistance is good stuff.

[RHIZOMES]

there undoubtably mostly racists who dislike the west and people like us

Do you know anything at all about the PFLP? They're self-identified Marxist-Leninists for chrissake.

[gorillafuck]

I assume the PFLP have done some dirty things, just goes with the bussiness there in, there undoubtably mostly racists who dislike the west and people like us, but it doesn't matter, we support the movement, not the individual
They undoubtedly racists who hate "people like us" just because they live in Palestine? Assuming they hate all people from the west just because they live in Palestine is flat out racism.

Speaking of which, who are "people like us"? There are people on Revleft who aren't from the west...

[Tablo]

I assume the PFLP have done some dirty things, just goes with the bussiness there in, there undoubtably mostly racists who dislike the west and people like us, but it doesn't matter, we support the movement, not the individual
Racists? So racist they helped the German Red Army Faction and the Japanese United Red Army?

[Yehuda Stern]

Good for you, Alastair. It's good to see people not afraid to join the Palestinian solidarity movement. I would not want to support the PFLP, however; I find that they have been an integral part of the sellout of the Palestinian struggle over the last two decades.

Since someone asked - yes, the PFLP have been involved in violence against civilians. We of course oppose such actions, without forgetting to remind people that things might have looked differently had Israeli civilians not supported practically every oppressive action of their government.

[bricolage]

Since someone asked - yes, the PFLP have been involved in violence against civilians. We of course oppose such actions, without forgetting to remind people that things might have looked differently had Israeli civilians not supported practically every oppressive action of their government.

I don't think that's necessarily the best argument to use, presenting the Israeli 'civilian' as a homogenous subject subordinates the various differences that run across the Israeli society to the unified target; if your neighbour support oppressive Israeli actions you by default do too.

I think a better way of putting it would be to say that if people care so much about civilians being killed they should stand against the body that is killing the most civilians, turns out it's the Israeli state.

[freepalestine]

I would not want to support the PFLP, however; I find that they have been an integral part of the sellout of the Palestinian struggle over the last two decades.
how have they been an integral part of the sellout of the struggle?

[Yehuda Stern]

Barabbas - you have a point, I could easily have gotten killed in any of those actions even though I do my best to oppose the actions of the Zionist state. My point though is that as long as the masses in Israel support every oppressive actions of the government, all Israelis will suffer from it, and it's useless to simply denounce "terrorism" without noting this fact.

freepalestine - they have refused to break from the Fatah-dominated PLO and have said more than once that they will agree to a compromise regarding the issue of two states.

[Mumbles]

Where might I learn more about the PFLP?