giving a speech about communism

[communist72]

ok comrades i am giving a 3-5 minute speech on communism in about 2 weeks i just wanted to know:
what should i say
any possible capitalism v. communism facts or staticist out there i can use as a prop.
a good idea for a leaflet or similar one page paper i can hand out to each person so they can further their knowledge of it.
can i use revleft in my speech or should i avoid it.

what i have so far: what communism is, the types of communism i.e marxist, stalinist, etc. the differnce between capitalism.
my prop is my communist manifesto book

im not trying to get revleft to do my project (thats called capitalism lol) but i just want to be able to give the very best i can and to show everyone what communism is

[¿Que?]

I would avoid using the term Stalinism as it is generally considered derogatory. The correct term I believe is Marxism-Leninism.

[AK]

All I can say is you're pretty brave in comparison to me, who would never give a speech about my ideology to all the students in my class.

But you should make it clear that Marxism is anti-Authoritarian and many Marxists today are in opposition to all the purportedly socialist states of the past and present.

[communist72]

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But you should make it clear that Marxism is anti-Authoritarian and many Marxists today are in opposition to all the purportedly socialist states of the past and present.[/QUOTE]

wait are you saying we oppose the stateless society that karl marx talked about back then.

im sorry if i seem dumb im just confused lol

[Morgenstern]

wait are you saying we oppose the stateless society that karl marx talked about back then.

im sorry if i seem dumb im just confused lol

He means to distance yourself from the USSR, PRC, DPRK, etc. Say that the USSR and friends were not Communist were not Socialist, etc.

[Tablo]

Don't forget to mention the friendly neighborhood Anarchist Communists. :lol:

[Die Rote Fahne]

Mention that the USSR, Cuba and China never achieved communism, nor did they achieve the pre-stage of socialism.

[Invincible Summer]

He means to distance yourself from the USSR, PRC, DPRK, etc. Say that the USSR and friends were not Communist were not Socialist, etc.


Mention that the USSR, Cuba and China never achieved communism, nor did they achieve the pre-stage of socialism.


The "but _____ wasn't real socialism!" argument gets you nowhere, and makes you look pathetic. It's better to explain why the USSR, PRC, Cuba, were as authoritarian as they were. I thought materialism was supposed to be the order of the day, not waffling and back-tracking

[Sam_b]

im not trying to get revleft to do my project (thats called capitalism lol)

Before doing such a talk you should probably explain in what way you would be exploiting our labour for a profit.

[Manifesto]

Huh 3-5 minutes? Are you sure thats really enough time to get all of your points across?

[Bilan]

All I can say is you're pretty brave in comparison to me, who would never give a speech about my ideology to all the students in my class.

But you should make it clear that Marxism is anti-Authoritarian and many Marxists today are in opposition to all the purportedly socialist states of the past and present.

Why? As if anything would happen. :lol:

[communist72]

Before doing such a talk you should probably explain in what way you would be exploiting our labour for a profit.

lol because some might think im using you guys for getting on my info and practialy saying what i am gonna speak.

on this note i was thinking about using an opening line to use showing capatilsm being bad in America

lol yes i do plan on talking about the Anarchist too

i just am trying to give all of info that i can use

[Sam_b]

lol because some might think im using you guys for getting on my info and practialy saying what i am gonna speak.


Question still stands.

[Weezer]

Question still stands.

Joke, maybe?

[Sam_b]

The thing is that jokes are funny and need in this context to have some sort of basis. There is no parallel at all between asking for advice and what to say, and being a capitalist; which lends me to think this user is probably not suitable for giving a very good talk on the matter if he doesn't understand the bourgeoisies' relation to the labour market.

[the last donut of the night]

The thing is that jokes are funny and need in this context to have some sort of basis. There is no parallel at all between asking for advice and what to say, and being a capitalist; which lends me to think this user is probably not suitable for giving a very good talk on the matter if he doesn't understand the bourgeoisies' relation to the labour market.

must you ruin our chitted-chattedness

[Sam_b]

it was already ruined.

[Chambered Word]

I would avoid using the term Stalinism as it is generally considered derogatory. The correct term I believe is Marxism-Leninism.

But then people would get the wrong idea about Lenin. It's ironic that you're fine with calling us Trots though.


wait are you saying we oppose the stateless society that karl marx talked about back then.

im sorry if i seem dumb im just confused lol

From capitalism we have a revolution and then have socialism, a classless state society. Then the state is withered away and we have communism. That's what Marx argued for.


He means to distance yourself from the USSR, PRC, DPRK, etc. Say that the USSR and friends were not Communist were not Socialist, etc.

The USSR was socialist...up til 1924.

Look OP, if you don't have any particularly strong and well thought out opinions on these societies then you might want to represent all of our ideologies and our analyses of different societies that have been called socialist.

But for heaven's sake mention the Paris Commune and early soviet democracy!


Don't forget to mention the friendly neighborhood Anarchist Communists. :lol:

This.


Mention that the USSR, Cuba and China never achieved communism, nor did they achieve the pre-stage of socialism.

I'd rather you did, to be honest.

It's going to be tough to fit in a talk about communism in 3-5 minutes, so you might want to just mention some of Marx's theories, like surplus value in particular. Then move on to different socialist and communist philosophers such as Lenin, Luxemburg, Bakunin, Trotsky, Stalin, Kropotkin etc and what their ideas were and how they contrasted with one another.

That's just how I would do it I guess, I'm only here to give you ideas.

Best of luck with your talk mate and I hope your class receives it well. :)

[Kléber]

I would avoid using the term Stalinism as it is generally considered derogatory. The correct term I believe is Marxism-Leninism.

Well like Lewis said, claiming that Stalinists are the only rightful inheritors of a distorted and revised "Marxist-Leninist" religion is derogatory to Leninists (mainly Trotskyists).


The USSR was socialist...up til 1924.
Not quite, it was a workers' state "with a bureaucratic twist to it." Only a tiny portion of the economy was industrialized, and factories were not very democratically organized, with harsh labor discipline held over from the Civil War and exploitative wage scales borrowed from Western factories (this was seen as a temporary retreat and Lenin called it "state capitalism"). Most economic activity in the country was still conducted by petty bourgeois farmers and "nepmen."

[AK]

Why? As if anything would happen. :lol:
At my school, thanks to my sheer idiocy when I first took up Marxism, I went around shouting "Kill all the American Capitalists!!!1". It also didn't help that whenever someone asked me a question or debated with me about Communism I didn't know a real answer. I've definitely changed a lot since. However, thanks to the combination of my idiocy and Bourgeois propaganda, many people at my school despise what they know to be "Communism". Strangely enough, I am now aware of two more Marxists at my school and a few of my friends know just what capitalism is and how it's an exploitative and unfair system, although I'm not going to go and press my beliefs on them. But yeah, telling people about my Council Communism that I got here might not end up so good. Plus I generally fucking hate speeches and all. I suspect I have an advantage though, as Council Communism is ideologically opposed to Leninism and whatnot in many aspects so I don't need to go and say that the USSR, PRC and Cuba were terrifically good examples of socialism to begin with - which definitely helps a contemporary socialist's case.

[Bilan]

What I mean is, it's unlikely anyones going to beat you up or anything over it. Politics doesn't really get that rough in schools.

[Scary Monster]

Firstly you should state how workers make up like 90% of the planet's population, to justify everything you say about "worker's control". Give the most basic principles of communism (people have direct control of their lives and government, workers having control over industry because workers themselves make all the goods and services anyway), why its better than capitalism and why capitalism needs wars and poverty.

Especially include as an example how 1/4th of the population of Detroit is being displaced due to capitalism (lay-offs/unemployment- companies worried only about profit rather than providing the most amount of jobs).

And most importantly, stress how places like Cuba and Soviet Union, having a government that didnt directly involve the workers, violates one of the most important principles of communism, even though those countries did have a high standard of living (before the years leading up to the soviet union collapse, and cuba being better off than other third world and latin countries despite the US embargo). That way you can make communism look good but at the same time say that those countries werent truly communist. Stress how communism is the opposite of total government control over people.

[communist72]

thank you comardes i will use all of this information in my speech. now i just need a very good opening line to get there attention.

[Tyrlop]

thank you comardes i will use all of this information in my speech. now i just need a very good opening line to get there attention.
start with a joke every american politician does that, i'm sure it will affect on the American instincts and primitive form of communication

[communist72]

start with a joke every american politician does that, i'm sure it will affect on the American instincts and primitive form of communication

lol but what would be a good opening

on a related note on my teachre looked at my not page for my speech and added mussoinli next to my communism to fascism paragragh what should i say about him.

one mor thing how can i explain china's communism

please someone asnswer this quick thank you

[Il Medico]

on a related note on my teachre looked at my not page for my speech and added mussoinli next to my communism to fascism paragragh what should i say about him.
That he was a bastard, but not as much of a bastard as Hitler?


one mor thing how can i explain china's communism

Do you mean lack thereof?

[communist72]

Do you mean lack thereof?

yes china doesnt have communism they have capitalism.
cuba was socialist is it now dictartor
russia was what in ww2 wherent they dicator under communist name same with china in ww2
im trying to think of all past and presant "communist countries"

sorry for the spell errors in really tired

[bcbm]

oh lawd

[communist72]

oh lawd

oh lawd what
i feel so dumb right now cause im so damn tired

[Tablo]

Cuba was/is state-capitalist, while still being a major improvement over the organization of most nation-states.

[Il Medico]

im trying to think of all past and presant "communist countries"

Well, you're going to be thinking for a long time, because, simply put, there aren't any. A proletarian revolution did indeed happen, but it failed. The Russian Revolution of 1917 was but one of the proletarian lead movements in Europe near the end of World War I. However, all of these failed. The revolution in Russia was the only one to take control of the state, while others in places like Germany were suppressed. With the failure of the Revolution to spread to other countries, the Russian revolution quickly fell apart and back into capitalism. You can't talk about "communist countries" because, it is utter fiction.

[Sir Comradical]

You'd be better of talking about the Marxist critique of capitalism and explaining the communist manifesto.

[Tablo]

You'd be better of talking about the Marxist critique of capitalism and explaining the communist manifesto.
This. The best way to turn people to our politics is to explain the primary failing of Capitalism.

[communist72]

i knew there werent actual counties that were communist i meant countries that have tried to have communism is what i meant t osay

[Scary Monster]

Well, you're going to be thinking for a long time, because, simply put, there aren't any. A proletarian revolution did indeed happen, but it failed. The Russian Revolution of 1917 was but one of the proletarian lead movements in Europe near the end of World War I. However, all of these failed. The revolution in Russia was the only one to take control of the state, while others in places like Germany were suppressed. With the failure of the Revolution to spread to other countries, the Russian revolution quickly fell apart and back into capitalism. You can't talk about "communist countries" because, it is utter fiction.

The closest country that can be described as one run completely by workers would be Argentina, after its government and economy completely collapsed almost 10 years, due to capitalist reforms of course. Corporations and the government left the workers to fend for themselves, so the Argentineans collectively ran the factories themselves. This could be used as an example for how workers are perfectly capable of managing themselves.

[Tablo]

There was also a brief period of time during the Spanish civil war when the workers had control in some parts of the country. You could mention the EZLN liberated parts of Chiapas, Mexico. Those areas are ruled by the people.

[communist72]

thank you guys for all the support. i just need a opening line haha

heres how my speec his gonna go:opening line
how communism started
how communism has progressed
how it would effect us
the bad of communism
the nconclusion
my props are a powerpoint showing the economic timeline
some pictures on communims and slide describing what the hammer and sickle mean

[Sir Comradical]

thank you guys for all the support. i just need a opening line haha

heres how my speec his gonna go:opening line
how communism started
how communism has progressed
how it would effect us
the bad of communism
the nconclusion
my props are a powerpoint showing the economic timeline
some pictures on communims and slide describing what the hammer and sickle mean

This is unnecessary.

[Tablo]

Cool. Might want to post it on here so we can make sure you got it perfect. :cool:

[communist72]

im sorry but i am in a class with a bunch of 18 year old glenn beck watchers(not kidding) who think were not fighting for oil right now. (my black friend jerold did a speech on anti war the rest of the room is rascit hicks you tell me how well that was)
eh screw them im not putting the bad in

[communist72]

Cool. Might want to post it on here so we can make sure you got it perfect. :cool:
This is my paper copied right from my paper(things in parthieses meas my techer added a note)

Capitalism is near its’ end, socialism is beginning. I am going to tell you show you make you see thetruth of communism and I am hoping I can make at least one of you today see what communism not what you were taught.
1st. A man by Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels wrote a book in 1847 defying communism and what it is. Communism is a stateless and classless society were all of us work for the good of each other and to help one of another. Now many of you I bet when think of communism you think Russia, Cuba and the faces: Che, Stalin, and Lenin. Many of you were also taught that communism is very bad. You are taught that it caused many causalities. Many believe its fascism. Now communism is nothing like fascism.(and mousslini) Fascism is national pride and pride for one skin color. See Hitler and Nazis. Karl Marx saw the history of economy and saw it as this: primitive communism- feudalism- Capitalism (explain).
The next thing you guys think of is Stalin and how he killed many of his people. Now what you saw is a dictatorship under the name of communism. Much like Vietnam and Korea they use the term communism to disguise that they were dictatorship. Lastly we come to a little island called Cuba and men named Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. Cuba was in a socialist revolution they are the closest thing to communism.(add china)
2nd. what will happen under Communism. Under communism there will be jobs be available for everyone and welfare and unemployment will disappear as well as racism (In theory). Everyone will have true equal rights and everyone will be united under communism as money will become a thing of the past as everyone will be working towards helping one another to help put food on each other’s plate, to help cure each other’s illness and problems. Everyone will work the job there good at.
3rd. how education and healthcare will be under communism. Education as well as heath care will be free. If you want to go to college you can go to college because there will be people who are good at teaching so those people will help teach those people. And people who are good at healing will be those who heal. Also under communism there won’t be religion directing people’s life. There won’t be jobs as preachers and nuns. Everyone will help with food and health.
In conclusion to under communism society there will be jobs/food/education/medical care for everyone and all those will be free from a class society that looks down on those who aren’t rich. And you will no longer work for someone who receives all profit for your labor.
My concluding sentence is this: ALL WORKING MEN UNITE!



EDIT: forgot to add why there would be no church and what would happen to preachers and nuns

[Sir Comradical]

im sorry but i am in a class with a bunch of 18 year old glenn beck watchers(not kidding) who think were not fighting for oil right now. (my black friend jerold did a speech on anti war the rest of the room is rascit hicks you tell me how well that was)
eh screw them im not putting the bad in

Atta boy.

[communist72]

Atta boy.
lol heck yes! i deal with there dumbasses everday
the one tried to light my communist manifesto on fire

[bcbm]

powerpoint

this is unnecessary.

[communist72]

i gotta have one for part of the project sorry :(

[Sir Comradical]

lol heck yes! i deal with there dumbasses everday
the one tried to light my communist manifesto on fire

Here in Australia, I've found that quite a lot of people are sympathetic to socialistic ideals but then they'd say "great idea but it only works in theory" whereas in the US, people are more likely to associate socialism with absolute evil.

[communist72]

Here in Australia, I've found that quite a lot of people are sympathetic to socialistic ideals but then they'd say "great idea but it only works in theory" whereas in the US, people are more likely to associate socialism with absolute evil.

personaly i blame fox news

[communist72]

everyone think its ok?

[Tablo]

Erm.. I would check it out now, bu I'm a bit drunk and feel like I would do a poor hob. When exactily are you presenting?

[communist72]

either tomrow morning or thursday morning depending on how fast over kids go

[Tablo]

Oh... I will read it and see if I can formulate some thoughts on it.. unlikely though...

[communist72]

lol if your drunk enoy your buzz dont waste your time on my paper

[Tablo]

Capitalism is near its’ end, socialism is beginning. I am going to tell you show you make you see thetruth of communism and I am hoping I can make at least one of you today see what communism not what you were taught.
Good.



1st. A man by Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels wrote a book in 1847 defying communism and what it is. Communism is a stateless and classless society were all of us work for the good of each other and to help one of another. Now many of you I bet when think of communism you think Russia, Cuba and the faces: Che, Stalin, and Lenin. Many of you were also taught that communism is very bad. You are taught that it caused many causalities. Many believe its fascism. Now communism is nothing like fascism.(and mousslini) Fascism is national pride and pride for one skin color. See Hitler and Nazis. Karl Marx saw the history of economy and saw it as this: primitive communism- feudalism- Capitalism (explain).
The next thing you guys think of is Stalin and how he killed many of his people. Now what you saw is a dictatorship under the name of communism. Much like Vietnam and Korea they use the term communism to disguise that they were dictatorship. Lastly we come to a little island called Cuba and men named Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. Cuba was in a socialist revolution they are the closest thing to communism.(add china)
I do not think the part with primitive Communism is accurate. Prior to feudalism were essentially slave societies. Cuba wasn't ever close to Communism, but they were very progressive and provided an amazing standard of living for a third world nation.



2nd. what will happen under Communism. Under communism there will be jobs be available for everyone and welfare and unemployment will disappear as well as racism (In theory). Everyone will have true equal rights and everyone will be united under communism as money will become a thing of the past as everyone will be working towards helping one another to help put food on each other’s plate, to help cure each other’s illness and problems. Everyone will work the job there good at.
Good.


3rd. how education and healthcare will be under communism. Education as well as heath care will be free. If you want to go to college you can go to college because there will be people who are good at teaching so those people will help teach those people. And people who are good at healing will be those who heal. Also under communism there won’t be religion directing people’s life. There won’t be jobs as preachers and nuns. Everyone will help with food and health.
I think this is good. Didn't totally understand it.


In conclusion to under communism society there will be jobs/food/education/medical care for everyone and all those will be free from a class society that looks down on those who aren’t rich. And you will no longer work for someone who receives all profit for your labor.
My concluding sentence is this: ALL WORKING MEN UNITE!
Your concluding sentence should instead be "Workers of the World Unite" as there are working women as well.

Would you like me to spell/grammar check your stuff or is it all fine in the powerpoint?

[communist72]

its all spelled checked ill fix my cuba statement and make it workers on the world unite. im so effing excited now to show them people whats up:laugh::laugh:

[Tablo]

You should be! I always get pumped when I get to do this stuff in school. I always have people talk shit about me after the presentation, but sometimes people praise my perspective, which is always nice. :)

[communist72]

yes people where saying but glenn beck says blah blah blahyou know the usal right wing stuff:laugh:

[Chambered Word]

This is my paper copied right from my paper(things in parthieses meas my techer added a note)

Capitalism is near its’ end, socialism is beginning. I am going to tell you show you make you see thetruth of communism and I am hoping I can make at least one of you today see what communism not what you were taught.
1st. A man by Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels wrote a book in 1847 defying communism and what it is. Communism is a stateless and classless society were all of us work for the good of each other and to help one of another.

This is good, just fix the grammatical errors and you're fine.


Now many of you I bet when think of communism you think Russia, Cuba and the faces: Che, Stalin, and Lenin. Many of you were also taught that communism is very bad. You are taught that it caused many causalities. Many believe its fascism. Now communism is nothing like fascism.(and mousslini) Fascism is national pride and pride for one skin color. See Hitler and Nazis.

That would do for a definition of racism, but I don't think it's sufficient for fascism. Someone correct me if I'm wrong at all but fascism is a severe capitalist reaction to worker's power that attempts to unite the ruling and working classes. More research on this will help you.


Karl Marx saw the history of economy and saw it as this: primitive communism- feudalism- Capitalism (explain).
The next thing you guys think of is Stalin and how he killed many of his people. Now what you saw is a dictatorship under the name of communism. Much like Vietnam and Korea they use the term communism to disguise that they were dictatorship.

You should add that they are/were state capitalist and why this is. Explain how workers did not hold power because there was no democratic system which provided fair power to the workers. The ruling party held power over the means of production and thus constituted a new class. Class societies simply cannot be called socialist.


Lastly we come to a little island called Cuba and men named Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. Cuba was in a socialist revolution they are the closest thing to communism.(add china)

Depends what you call a socialist revolution. I would have mentioned the Paris Commune and the Russian Revolution instead if you wanted positive examples of communist and socialist societies respectively, but it's your choice.


2nd. what will happen under Communism. Under communism there will be jobs be available for everyone and welfare and unemployment will disappear as well as racism (In theory).

You could explain how racism is borne from capitalism if it's not too lengthy and complicated for your purposes.


Everyone will have true equal rights and everyone will be united under communism as money will become a thing of the past as everyone will be working towards helping one another to help put food on each other’s plate, to help cure each other’s illness and problems. Everyone will work the job there good at.
3rd. how education and healthcare will be under communism. Education as well as heath care will be free. If you want to go to college you can go to college because there will be people who are good at teaching so those people will help teach those people. And people who are good at healing will be those who heal.

Looks great.


Also under communism there won’t be religion directing people’s life. There won’t be jobs as preachers and nuns. Everyone will help with food and health.

You might really scare the shit out of kids if you say this. Everyone seems to get really offended when you question their religious beliefs. Maybe you could just say that no religion, whether Christianity, Islam or Judaism, will have the right to control people's lives. And maybe say preachers and nuns will require jobs to contribute to society as well. Of course, like I said it's your choice. :)


In conclusion to under communism society there will be jobs/food/education/medical care for everyone and all those will be free from a class society that looks down on those who aren’t rich. And you will no longer work for someone who receives all profit for your labor.

If you want to justify the last sentence, you should definately explain Marx's surplus value theory.


My concluding sentence is this: ALL WORKING MEN UNITE!

Like Tsukae said, 'ALL WORKING MEN AND WOMEN UNITE!' or something else gender-neutral would suit it better.

I hope I'm not too late to give you an answer but regardless I wish you all the best with your project. :thumbup1:

[communist72]

i gave my speech and i got an A on it people where being all fox news on me. and i ripped a kid a new asshole after he said didn't you watch Revolutinary holocasut

[Tablo]

Good job. Glad you got an A on it.

[communist72]

Good job. Glad you got an A on it.
thank you sir.
it was intense like everyone is right wing in there and they all had death stares haha but its all good.
my teacher believes in some socialist beliefs

[Robocommie]

The thing is that jokes are funny and need in this context to have some sort of basis. There is no parallel at all between asking for advice and what to say, and being a capitalist; which lends me to think this user is probably not suitable for giving a very good talk on the matter if he doesn't understand the bourgeoisies' relation to the labour market.

Hey guys look, it's the People's Eeyore.

http://www.itsallabouteeyore.awoodman.net/images/eeyore6.jpg

Solidarity, you grumpy bastard.

[Chambered Word]

i gave my speech and i got an A on it people where being all fox news on me. and i ripped a kid a new asshole after he said didn't you watch Revolutinary holocasut

Congrats! :)

Kids actually watch Glenn Beck over there? :crying:

[ZeroNowhere]

The thing is that jokes are funny and need in this context to have some sort of basis. There is no parallel at all between asking for advice and what to say, and being a capitalist; which lends me to think this user is probably not suitable for giving a very good talk on the matter if he doesn't understand the bourgeoisies' relation to the labour market.Other than providing a needed intervention, it would seem Sam_b is also a prophet. That is quite impressive.

[communist72]

look im sorry i dont seem like i dont know alot but i actully do it was just a joke if you dont like it im sorry but its the way it is.

and yes i live in northwest ohio this place is more right wing than anything its church and racism and all white pride here. im so glad i came from vegas and my mom is is just polaticily right

[AK]

Here in Australia, I've found that quite a lot of people are sympathetic to socialistic ideals but then they'd say "great idea but it only works in theory" whereas in the US, people are more likely to associate socialism with absolute evil.
Got that right. People always tend to say that "communist" governments always corrupt and that one man couldn't safely handle all that power - as if we proudly advocate some dictatorial government or something.