Help me refute this claim...

[Weezer]

Quoted from another forum:

Maybe the poor people who can't afford health care should try working for once instead of sitting on their lazy ass and waiting for their welfare check. Don't tell me all the poor people in the world are only poor because they're being "oppressed." If they really are working as hard as you say they are, they would've been promoted by now. And if they aren't, then can easily quit and get a new job.

I'm at a loss of words.

[Nolan]

Let me guess...

Mises.org?

the Ron Paul forums?

some free marketeer at sf?

At any rate these people are completely out of touch with reality. They stereotype the productive class as "lazy." People have been working harder for less in recent years.

Since they like to play that game, you can bet daddy's got their bills covered. :thumbup1:

[the last donut of the night]

Quoted from another forum:

Maybe the poor people who can't afford health care should try working for once instead of sitting on their lazy ass and waiting for their welfare check. Don't tell me all the poor people in the world are only poor because they're being "oppressed." If they really are working as hard as you say they are, they would've been promoted by now. And if they aren't, then can easily quit and get a new job.

I'm at a loss of words.

From what I posted to a similar argument:


I have too often come across these people, and there are several ways to counter their bullshit. First, you must make vital observations: their opinions reek of racism and elitism. They reek of racism because their reason for the greater level of poverty among minorities is not that capitalism produces these through various ways, but that these communities somehow chose to be poor, or didn't work enough. This basically means that Latinos, Blacks, etc. are somehow too stupid, lazy, or inferior to work as hard as whites. It also means that poverty internationally can be explained by some groups being lazier, or dumber, or what have you, than the whites of Europe. Basically, it goes back to the 19th century without all the defunct terminology. Then these peoples' arguments also reek of elitism because they also imply that workers don't work enough, unlike those smart capitalists. We all can attest to this fact reeking of more bullshit, because we all know how workers work in order to barely scrape by. I mean, does the CEO of Exxon work harder than a Black mother working double-shifts in McDonald's over in Harlem? I seriously doubt so. Does the CEO of any company have to pick vegetables under the California sun, fearing that the migra will come at any time to divide their families. I don't think so. In the end, you see that all these peoples' bullshit can be amounted to such an extent that we are left with the SS Bullshit, otherwise known as most of the arguments from the right.

[red cat]

Quoted from another forum:

Maybe the poor people who can't afford health care should try working for once instead of sitting on their lazy ass and waiting for their welfare check.
Assumes that "working" will reward them with what they deserve. But we know that this does not happen in capitalism. Since it is this way, it is only logical to raise demand for what they are being denied otherwise.



Don't tell me all the poor people in the world are only poor because they're being "oppressed."

So, are they just being lazy instead ? Nobody likes to be lazy when he feels that pricking pain inside his belly.



If they really are working as hard as you say they are, they would've been promoted by now.

Again assumes that the capitalist system is just.


And if they aren't, then can easily quit and get a new job.

If all the jobs turn out to be equally oppressive then what is the use of getting a new job ?


I'm at a loss of words.

These net-pundits are the most intolerable breed of bourgeois scum I have ever encountered. They know very well that this system is wrong. They support it not out of ignorance, but their natural wickedness.

[Audeamus]

I see a bit of the racist "welfare queen" bullshittery creeping into their delusions. I can't help but feel that anyone who would write such a thing has either never had to do an actual days work in their lives, or have been incredibly lucky. They have certainly never had to resort to welfare. Getting on welfare is incredibly difficult in the US, and staying on it even more so. The TANF program is limited to only 60 months in a person's lifetime. The benefits one can receive from TANF can be reduced for a number of reasons, like not being able to meet their employment criteria.

[Red Commissar]

These people are using a very common defense mechanism with coping with capitalism. Even if they don't think it is, it is ultimately a way for them to feel "I work hard to where I get, lazy people are where they are for a reason", which more accurately turns into "I have a shit life but I beat down on the less fortunate to make myself feel like I''m better than some one, that I'm further up the social ladder than someone".

These idiots are plain ignorant. There's no use arguing with them. Living in Texas this is a very common thing I hear and I've generally learned to ignore them. They're set in their ways and it is doubtful they'll listen to your points.