Teenager

[Mumbles]

So... I've basically been threatened by my parental units that if I don't succumb to their standard of capitalism that they'll kick me out of the house.

What should I do about this? How can one survive in the "real world"? I really don't know what all questions to ask about this kind of thing, so any advice is welcome.

[ZombieGrits]

What exactly is it they want you to do/stop doing?

And how old are you? If you're 17 (or maybe a very mature 16 yr-old) then you might be able to get them to grudgingly respect your views, with a little effort

[Mumbles]

They want me to just stop being a communist in general. Like I tried to explain that I don't respect the United States just because I'm told to and then they started saying that while I was under their roof I had to respect it and all that goes with it.

I'm 16 so I don't really know of any truly sustainable job I'd be able to get, so that's why I'm so worried. And I don't think they're going to be swayed anytime soon, because they've known for a little while that I was a communist so it's not like this was an instant reaction for them, and I've explained what I believe to them, but with them being Glenn Beck loving right-wingers I don't think they really paid any attention.

[SandiNeesta]

I'm an adult, living on my own...my dad is a retired air force officer whose whole career was consumed with fighting the cold war...When I go home for a visit I still watch what I say and do whatever I have to not to talk about politics. I learned a long time ago he's never going to change so it's not worth arguing about. It's always gonna be like that...just bide your time quietly til you're out on your own.

[Mumbles]

I've been thinking about trying that. But I don't know how to do that and not be a heretic.

Plus I know it's just going to come up again so it's definitely gonna be a long year and a half more

[SandiNeesta]

All the stuff I was into in high school my dad didn't approve of, I'm sure he thought was just a phase I'd grow out of. It's not "heretic" to just not bring it up to avoid confrontation with them....I mean, unless they're making you hand out flyers at a tea-bagger protest or something.

[Mumbles]

Oy, I forgot to mention a big part of it too, sorry I'm not exactly in my right mind as I'm trying not to worry so much, but the part that set it off is that I refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance at my school and they sent an email home since they're too incapable of dealing with it themselves. So that's where I'd feel like a heretic, if I had to semi-publicly give an oath to something I don't believe in and never will.

[The Idler]

If they're serious about kicking you out of the house, get in touch with your local left party/trade union and explain your situation. They might be able to help with surviving in your own place or at least explaining politics to your parents.

If you're looking for advice on independence rather than political advice, then there is lots of general information on the internet including squatting etc. Having said that if you're under 15 I'd put up with it for a few years if possible.

[Invincible Summer]

Can't you just mumble shit or at least make up your own version to make it seem like you are saying stuff?

I'd personally just deal with it even if it means that you act all surly and shit around your parents. It's probably better to suck it up now than try to deal with being out on your ass with no job and shit.

And I don't want to sound like an ass, but if your parents would seriously throw you out of the house at 16 because they don't like you having your own opinion then they're pretty fucked up.

[SandiNeesta]

Oy, I forgot to mention a big part of it too, sorry I'm not exactly in my right mind as I'm trying not to worry so much, but the part that set it off is that I refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance at my school and they sent an email home since they're too incapable of dealing with it themselves. So that's where I'd feel like a heretic, if I had to semi-publicly give an oath to something I don't believe in and never will.

If you go to a public school they can't make you say the pledge...unless you were being disrespectful to the other students while they were saying it I don't even understand why they would feel the need to email your parents about it. That's ridiculous.

[Mumbles]

Unfortunately I'm in a party free state. How do I search for unions within a state?

As for the independence bit, that's what I was hoping for, but political advice is welcome as well. One of the main things I was worrying about with the independence bit is, what does it take to find a job? Like I've kinda been cooped up in my whole "private school upper working class existence" so I don't know the first thing about jobs. Does one find jobs that actually leads somewhere other than the fast food industry without having a degree, as of yet? Or at least one that is self-sustainable? Like I don't think I'd be able to find a good squat or apartment since I'm surrounded by suburbia wherever I go so I'd need to be able to work up to a decent rate with time and from all I hear about standard teenager jobs, that's not very likely.

SandiNeesta, I go to a private school, so apparently I don't get recognized as having "constitutional rights" because of Tinker vs Des Moines or something along those lines. Constitutional Rights. lol

[Mumbles]

Can't you just mumble shit or at least make up your own version to make it seem like you are saying stuff?

I'd personally just deal with it even if it means that you act all surly and shit around your parents. It's probably better to suck it up now than try to deal with being out on your ass with no job and shit.

And I don't want to sound like an ass, but if your parents would seriously throw you out of the house at 16 because they don't like you having your own opinion then they're pretty fucked up.

Gotta live up to my name. Maybe it'll finally come in handy that I do mumble. Although I have a feeling the teacher'll be listening closely to me, since she has two sons who "went into the army to die for me".

I'm always surly around them, because they are pretty fucked up.

[SandiNeesta]

I agree with Rise like Lions....you gotta pick your battles and this is probably one that's not worth the fight. I feel so old saying this but they are supporting you right now so you kinda got to respect their views, as twisted as they might be. It seems like an eternity now, but a year and half is really not that long and you will have plenty of time to fight the system when you're out of school and on your own.
As for your questions on finding a job...I have a college degree and am waiting tables. When I was your age I was under the mistaken impression that a college degree= my choice of interesting and fulfilling careers. Maybe a degree in some sort of computer subject could be helpful but most of them are fairly useless, at least in my experience. The only helpful advice I know of to give you is to find something you like doing and stick with it...if you start at the bottom you can usually work your way up with or without a degree. Experience trumps any formal education in a lot of jobs....wish someone had told me that before I wasted a lot of years and money in college. Good Luck!!

[Mumbles]

Thank you all for the advice and info. I guess I was kinda hoping for an "easy" way out, but from what I'm being told, the world isn't easy (haha who'da thought, right?). I'm gonna go try and survive this last year and a half, even if it means obeying The Man for one last miserable fucking year.

I wish you all well, and thank you 4 again,
Mumbles

[The Idler]

You don't have to respect their views, you can put up with them, but keep your own opinion, and you should expect to be able to exercise freedom of speech, thought etc. Libertarians overlook this kind of property-owning dictatorship. I suppose that could be the political angle. As leftists we don't support free markets as truly "free" because property-owners feel they can set whatever rules they like. Its like a hotel refusing homosexuals to stay there (http://www.metro.co.uk/news/818460-gay-pair-rejected-by-b-b). You could read some Proudhon or Tucker if you want the political answer but I suggest you focus on the personal issue for now.

[Mumbles]

Thank you again for more advice. Haha. I'll have to look into those two, even though I had never given much thought into anarchism as of now. But I guess I better try and squeeze my way back into "good standing" before I "pull another stunt like that again".

[Invincible Summer]

I get into a lot of political arguments with my parents too. I can't afford to move out yet, so I'm in a similar situation to you, although not quite as bad as being threatened to get thrown out.

It's best to just not bring up politics, I find. Just bottle it up, come onto Revleft, and fume away on the "Denounce what you want," "Pour Your Heart Out," and "Say What You Want" threads :thumbup1:

[Bitter Ashes]

Just go home to your parents. Say "Marx is an asshole" and then say you don't want to talk about it ever again to them.

Believe it or not. You can actualy say that without meaning it. Same goes for that pledge I'm sure. ;)

Then it's just a case of finding excuses not to put youself in situations where your conscious is going to bother you. I dunno. If you dont want to do something because of your politics, just blame ill health or something. There's a time and a place to bring people over to your views. Bieng disruptive isnt it, despite what Hollywood has fed us.

The other option of course is just to embrace it and stick to your guns. Hard life if you do and there's no reward for it. You might be able to get support from some organisations if you do that, but tbh, my personal advice is to just avoid this battle.

I also suggest you read Sun Tzu's Art of War. It's very easy to read and it's got some very good ideas in there for a lot of things to do with life.

[FreeFocus]

Yeah, pick your battles. Patriarchy sucks, but you can't really win until you're 18.

Personally, I don't discuss politics with people I disagree with, including family. It might entail them getting some teeth knocked out (I really don't have anything to sit down with a right-winger/imperialist/cappie to discuss), and I try to avoid incivility like that.

[RedStarOverChina]

Shit, don't mean to insult your family but it's take some pretty hardcore parents to kick out their son for not being patriotic.

Make compromises, but stay strong inside. You're already one tough bastard for standing up for your ideas, now you've gotta be flexible.

Trust me, there will be plenty of opportunities to get back at your parents after you become financially independent. For now you should "hide your strength and bide for time".

[RedStarOverChina]

Let me share an inspirational story with you.

Jean Meslier, a Catholic priest in 17-18th century France, was secretly an Atheist and a proto-communist/anarchist.

No one found out about his beliefs in his entire lifetime.

But in his final revenge against the Catholic Church and Feudal France, his Magnum Opus changed the world after his death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Meslier

Now there's a role model.

[Mumbles]

Okay, so here's the update: I had to sit down during a "discussion" (one-sided, of course) while they outlined that basic premise of me being under their roof and their rules. So they also talked to the private school disciplinary guy and said that he'll have to tell them if I do anything "acting out" again, which would ensure home chaos.

I kinda just sat there mumbling "yes...ma'am (my mom always forced me to include that bit)" and now am limited to being subservient while secretly defiant.

Thank you all for your support, it's very nice to see that others care about this stuff, and are willing to point me in a good way to go. I'm very much hoping that I can make it through till college.


Let me share an inspirational story with you.

Jean Meslier, a Catholic priest in 17-18th century France, was secretly an Atheist and a proto-communist/anarchist.

No one found out about his beliefs in his entire lifetime.

But the he's final revenge against the Catholic Church and Feudal France, his Magnum Opus changed the world after his death.

(link removed because I was one post under the limit haha)

Now there's a role model.

That's incredible. I would hate to have a job where I had to direct people in opposition to what I believed, but I guess he used all those years as research just so he would be more valid as a critic. That's just incredible. Thanks for sharing that. :)

[RedStarOverChina]

We're all more or less in the same boat, you just have it especially hard. :(

When I was in a private highschool, I got into a huge argument with a teacher who bullied my friend. The vice-headmaster (who turned out to be a corrupt crook who took money from parents) called me into his office, contacted my parents and threatened to expell me.

Fortunately for me, my parents stood behind me and ignored the crook. But I was seriously contemplating withdrawing from that highschool, when I was merely a few months away from graduation. (Oh, also, this is when I first discovered Revleft)

Eventually I conceded, and made an non-apology to that teacher which basically apologized for him being an asshole.

A few months later, I graduated, and sent a bunch of hate mails to that particular teacher. In another a year or so, I was told that he died of some chronic illness. The vice-headmaster resigned after being exposed as a crook.:)

See, there can be a happy ending to all this nonsense.

[The Red Next Door]

Yeah, pick your battles. Patriarchy sucks, but you can't really win until you're 18.

Personally, I don't discuss politics with people I disagree with, including family. It might entail them getting some teeth knocked out (I really don't have anything to sit down with a right-winger/imperialist/cappie to discuss), and I try to avoid incivility like that.
With me, I only talk about politics with right wingers that are open minded.

[The Red Next Door]

Just don't talk about politics to them, My dad and his family are a bunch of jesus freaks. but they talk about religion and their politics, so when they do, i pretend to be apolitical and have that fuck politics and religion attitude.

[Mumbles]

RedStarOverChina, that's an incredibly happy ending (well as happy as death can be without them ever understanding they were both asses). Almost fairy-tale like, except less gruesome than some Grimm stories.

As for the withdrawing from the school thing, I've also thought about that, but then when I look at the fact that my parents would've wasted all their labor's income on a good schooling, I'd feel bad. So I'm hoping that this school's "reputation" will help me get into a good college where I can get a good career that'll let me help the less fortunate both directly and indirectly.

If I don't live up to my goal of helping others after suffering this nonsensical shit, you all have the right to gang up on me and beat me senseless while calling me a capitalist-fascist-pig-dog. Just make sure you don't hurt my beautiful face too much. :p

MidwestAnarcho, my family is also the jesus freak variety as well, and as I mentioned in my introduction thread, my brother is the one who semi-accidentally led me to Communism since he had his "teenage rebellion phase" where he bought Guerrilla Warfare by Che, but that also means he thinks he knows everything about Communism due to his phase, and yet the stuff he says is so Glenn Beck it's moronic... even more moronic than just anything Beckian. :lol:

[RedStarOverChina]

:pYou don't believe me, do you?
Can't find the thread about that teacher dying (he wasn't my teacher), but here's part of the discussion on my former vice headmaster from facebook.

There were a bunch of retarded new comers who defended the crook, but ultimately he either resigned or was fired, depending on different accounts of the story.

Brian Choi (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=28121633&ref=mf)
Meghann, Mr. Brazeau was fired at a board of di...rectors meeting where he wasn't present without a chance to argue against whatever he was accused of. I personally don't have much to say about him, but I do believe that he is a good leader and educator. Everything is final, and he will be leaving PC in mid June shortly after this years class's graduation. There has been rumours on why he was fired, but nothing was disclosed, not even the staff know of it.



Yana Eglit (http://www.facebook.com/yeglit?ref=mf) WTF happened to PC!? They changed SO much since our days! I never exactly had much respect for Brazeau because he was kinda rude to me, for no reason. And he was really rude to others as well. And then there was an incident rumoured to involve bribes and expulsion, although I don't know how true that is.
Apparently som...e kid beat up another kid, who complained...and offender was supposed to be expelled, but his parents paid Brazeau so the kid stayed. The victim left because of that.

Again, I don't know if that's actually true. But knowing PC....quite possible.


I did get into a prestigious university partly because of having graduated from a $50,000-a-year private high school. But after university, there's no telling what might happen.

[elf]

Sounds like you're in a shit situation. Having to say "ma'am" to your mother?! That's fucking crazy.

Your parents are obviously crazy. Like, I don't want to give you bad ideas, but do you have other folks (aunt/uncle, older sibling, grandparents) that you can stay with? Like, dude, if they are threatening to kick you out, they obviously don't respect you. Well, fuck 'em.

Here's my advice:
Continue not to say the pledge. It's fucking an affront to human dignity.
If you are questioned about this, say you don't want to talk about it. Act moody.
Don't talk any sort of politics at home, or at school. No matter how strongly you feel about an issue.
Hide anything you want to keep at a friends place (someone you really trust), don't keep it at home, and don't leave it in your locker at school.
In line with this, start a separate bank account if you can (ask for no mail to be sent to your home, including statements). If you can't, at a minimum, start saving cash. A few dollars here and there from your parents purse/wallet if you don't get an allowance.
There is a lot of good info about being young and homeless on the 'net. Look it up. E.g. digihitch.com/link-6.html
I assume that you'll be kicked out of your school if you are also kicked out of home. See if there isn't a public school in your area where you can finish your schooling.

Oh, and you know the scouts? Be Prepared. And good luck.

[Morgenstern]

Maybe I'm a bit ignorant when it comes to child laws but isn't it illegal for them to kick you out at 16? I think you can apply for emancipation at that age but they can't force you out as long you're a minor. Send you off to military school? Yes they can. But force you onto the streets? My limited knowledge of child laws are doubtful on that.

They can't do it in New Jersey I think and according to this one webpage (I can't post URLs with under 25 posts) it is illegal for them to kick you out at 16 in North Carolina and you can actually prosecute them for child neglect.

So if it's like this in two states I'd take a guess it's like this in most unless you live in one with a child drop off law. I say call their bluff and cause hell for them if they do kick you out.

[The Ben G]

My freind just acts like a Glenn Beck mindslave even though he is a Communist and has a Profile here.

Just act.

[which doctor]

Wow, that's really fucked up! and a good reminder to the rest of us that anti-communism continues to linger, even though communism barely poses a threat any more.

To be honest, your probably better off staying with your parents, at least until you can move out and go to college or something. There's nothing wrong with lying to your parents about your political beliefs.

[Scary Monster]

Id say to just stay with your parents til youre 18 and not bring up politics.

But if you decide to move out now, since youre 16, you can definitely get emancipation as long as you show the judge in juvenile court that you: dont live with your parents and that they they are ok with you not living with them (which they obviously are ok with :p ), that you receive some kind of income yourself and legally, and that emancipation is good for you.

And im quite sure you can get state assistance with living at your own place, if you dont have any friends whos parents want you living with them. In California at least, when i had filed as homeless at the social services place a couple years ago, they offered vouchers to stay in a motel, as long as you work/prove that you are looking for work. If they do it for the homeless, then im certain they will provide living assistance for an emancipated minor.

[Mumbles]

Haha RedStarOverChina, I didn't mean to imply I didn't believe it, just that it seemed like a story come true.

I've decided to do a Pledge of Defiance, which kinda has to match the wording/timing of the real one:
I pledge defiance to the flag of the Imperial Nations of America, and to the Bourgeoisie for which it stands, one nation under C.H.U.D., divisible, with liberty and justice for money.

I'm gonna try and stay as low key at home until I get out, but I will be looking into all that legal stuff in case shit hits the fan.

[Cowboy Killer]

I feel ya man! I came to the conclusion that there isn't a god right when my parents decided that they wanted to start being jesus freaks. At least they don't seem as racially prejudice as they were anymore (theyre church doesn't allow it:laugh:). But now theyr'e more patriotic and shit tho and my dad is a vietnam vet. I think hes the way he is cuz he doesn't know what else to think. But ya I pretty much just walk lightly around them they know I'm an atheist and almost kicked me out in shock but they said it would be "un-christian". I just avoid religion and politics as a subject of talk but when it does come up it gets ugly and when I prove them wrong it gets even uglier!!! So just avoid politics and don't prove them wrong until youre on your own!

[RedStarOverChina]

Haha RedStarOverChina, I didn't mean to imply I didn't believe it, just that it seemed like a story come true.

I've decided to do a Pledge of Defiance, which kinda has to match the wording/timing of the real one:
I pledge defiance to the flag of the Imperial Nations of America, and to the Bourgeoisie for which it stands, one nation under C.H.U.D., divisible, with liberty and justice for money.

I'm gonna try and stay as low key at home until I get out, but I will be looking into all that legal stuff in case shit hits the fan.
:lol:
That's the spirit.

[mikelepore]

The law depends on the state. In New York, parents are required to financially support their children to the age of 21. You could tell them, if they kick you out, they should be prepared to send you one-half of their income, to pay for your own residence, medical insurance, etc. -- or would they prefer to have the family court judge instruct their employer to deduct it directly from their salary and send it to you? Parents can reply to the family court that the child is "incorrigible", but that means the child refuses to obey reasonable rules of behavior, it doesn't mean that the parents disagree with the child''s political opinions. You have to search for the similar law in the state where you live.

[Le People]

no offense mumbles,but you go to a private school. I say they should kick you out on the streets...you're obviously a bourgise dog.

[Crux]

no offense mumbles,but you go to a private school. I say they should kick you out on the streets...you're obviously a bourgise dog.
Dude, fuck you and shut the fuck up.

Mumbles, well since I might be getting my own apartment tommorow I would offer my sofa or something similar, but since I live miles away that probably won't help much.
If you do get kicked out, because while some people have said you should avoid confrontation but sometimes there's no avoiding it. I've been in a similar situation with my mom, if not for political reasons. but remember being homeless sucks, so scope out a place to crash, even if it is just temporary, if you suddenly find yourself thrown out. There's already been lots of other usefull tips, so no need to repeat them.

best of luck and stay in touch.

[9]

one nation under C.H.U.D.

wtf is CHUD?

[Crux]

Oh and if I may, here's a suggestion (just skip the first 40 seconds) for an alternative "pledge of allegiance": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ_o660d0oc

[Mumbles]

no offense mumbles,but you go to a private school. I say they should kick you out on the streets...you're obviously a bourgise dog.

Let me start off simple, Fuck. You. I never claimed I wasn't bourgeoisie, but even if I am, how does that make me any less of a communist? I think being privileged above others who work harder is just as wrong as most anyone else on here. But even if I am at a private school, they shouldn't have any more right than a public school to do stupid shit.

Mayakovsky, thanks for the long distance semi-offer haha. I've stayed in contact with a select group of people about crashing in case of an emergency, but that group is very small and not exactly the greatest options since none of them are independent enough to decide who gets to crash at their place.

Also the link is good, but the reason I'm having to do one that sounds similar to the real pledge of bullshit is that I'd be considered confrontational if I did something that direct.

Apikoros, "C.H.U.D. is an acronym for "Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.H.U.D.

As for an update, I'm still on the school's list of people they have to review to come back next year :laugh: I want to wreak havoc so bad but can't because my mom would most likely brutally slaughter me if I didn't graduate from there. But then again, would that be considered martyrdom? :p

In fact, just last week I got in trouble with the school again. I was having to run track as a punishment for talking during a study hall (wtf) which, to be honest, I don't really care if I have to run, I'm not that unfit, nor did I really care that I was getting in trouble, because I honestly was talking even if the idea of not being allowed to talk in a study hall is retarded. But as I headed out to the track they had the restrooms unlocked, so I went where many people before me have gone before... the bushes. Now out of all the people who are known to do this, their beloved american football team, the people who actually do track, their soccer teams, random people who have to piss when they have the bathrooms locked, I seem to be a prime target for getting pissed back on. I got a 2 day suspension for public indecency, even though I made sure no one was within viewing distances or angles. Sometimes I get paranoid. Then I realize they are actually after me. haha Not that this is much of a political infraction they did, I just thought it was funny as hell that I got in trouble for it. Especially since all of the coaches/teachers I talked to about it said they wouldn't have had a problem with it, since, you know, it's a natural process. Oh well, just gotta survive another year. Another year... :mellow:

[Crux]

Mayakovsky, thanks for the long distance semi-offer haha. I've stayed in contact with a select group of people about crashing in case of an emergency, but that group is very small and not exactly the greatest options since none of them are independent enough to decide who gets to crash at their place.

Well, at least that's something. Remember that the absolute first thing you should look for if you find yourself thrown out is some place to stay, even if it is very temporary it might buy you some time to find something more permanentish. Being homeless is not fun. I have been there, if not for very long periods of time. Bouncing around sofas also get's tiring faster than you'd think, so again, if you do know someone that might let you stay there for a longer period of time, if you do get thrown out, that's essential.
And yeah, if you by some accident would find yourself in Malmö my offer still stands. ;)

[Chambered Word]

Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong but let me get this straight: you had to see a school counsellor because you were thinking differently to everyone else?

[Foldered]

Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong but let me get this straight: you had to see a school counsellor because you were thinking differently to everyone else?
It's high school and it's a private school; unfortunately, I'm not surprised that they had to see a counsellor for those reasons.

[here for the revolution]

Saul Williams is an utter legend!
There was talk of introducing an oath to the queen a while back in the UK, so bloody glad it didn't happen.

[Mumbles]

Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong but let me get this straight: you had to see a school counsellor because you were thinking differently to everyone else?

It wasn't that I had to see a counselor, it was that I got in trouble with the disciplinary part of the school because I did my thing. So now I'm on their list of people to watch for further disciplinary measures. But being on their bad-side got me on my parent's bad side so I'm basically fucked all day long, at school and at home. But thankfully the at home bit has cooled down a bit.

[Mumbles]

Saul Williams is an utter legend!
There was talk of introducing an oath to the queen a while back in the UK, so bloody glad it didn't happen.

Don't follow the footsteps of your rebellious colony :P

[dubaba]

This is why I dont talk about politics around my parents.

Just say the pledge of allegiance suck it up for 2 more years and youll be free!

[Foldered]

This is why I dont talk about politics around my parents.

Just say the pledge of allegiance suck it up for 2 more years and youll be free!
Pretty much. Then when you're older and (unfortunately) have more respect of people, find a way to make it not mandatory in schools*. But again, it's a private school, so I don't know how they'd have to adhere to that even.

*is it mandatory in US Public Schools?

[Mumbles]

I don't believe it is mandatory in public schools. But even with the private school it depends on which teacher you have for that period and I'm figuring the reason I nearly got destroyed was because the teacher has 2 kids in the military special forces. Other teachers couldn't care less and wouldn't turn you in because even they don't say it.

[Chambered Word]

I guess you'll have to put up with it for the mean time. Consider moving out early but if you've got plans for the future like college or university and whatnot then do that instead. Getting a job and moving out shouldn't take precendence over your education, you should have the freedom to go wherever you want in life.

[Mumbles]

Well everyone I have an update: I somehow managed to piss them off enough to not let me back next year. My mom was pissed when she got the email from them, and we haven't said anything to each other since I got home so she isn't pissed enough to threaten to kick me out like last time. The final straw apparently was that I didn't have my shirt tucked in during lunch, which I tucked in after they mentioned it.

Exchange in the disciplinary office afterwards:
Fred: Brett, why didn't you tuck your shirt in when I asked you to?
Me: I did.
Fred: Well, Brett, why didn't you follow the rule about having your shirt tucked in anyways?
Me: I did, it came out from being human and moving. It's a retarded rule anyways.
Fred: Oh. Well Brett, you know there are going to be retarded rules anywhere you go in life.
Me: I'll be breaking them. *I laugh and then he laughs creepily*
Fred: Oh. Well Brett, at this time next year I won't be having to tell you to keep your shirt tucked in.

At first I kinda realized he was pointing out that I wasn't coming back then I wondered if he just meant that because no one cares that seniors don't follow any of the rules. Turns out he emailed my mom because he didn't have the guts to tell me straight up. I love the hypocrisy,
Matthew 18:21-22 "Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times."
And I don't think I've done anything 490 times :p

I'm actually kinda glad to be out of there, but I do wonder what public school is like. Any advice for an entering senior who has never been to one?

[Chambered Word]

Well everyone I have an update: I somehow managed to piss them off enough to not let me back next year. My mom was pissed when she got the email from them, and we haven't said anything to each other since I got home so she isn't pissed enough to threaten to kick me out like last time. The final straw apparently was that I didn't have my shirt tucked in during lunch, which I tucked in after they mentioned it.

Exchange in the disciplinary office afterwards:
Fred: Brett, why didn't you tuck your shirt in when I asked you to?
Me: I did.
Fred: Well, Brett, why didn't you follow the rule about having your shirt tucked in anyways?
Me: I did, it came out from being human and moving. It's a retarded rule anyways.
Fred: Oh. Well Brett, you know there are going to be retarded rules anywhere you go in life.
Me: I'll be breaking them. *I laugh and then he laughs creepily*
Fred: Oh. Well Brett, at this time next year I won't be having to tell you to keep your shirt tucked in.

At first I kinda realized he was pointing out that I wasn't coming back then I wondered if he just meant that because no one cares that seniors don't follow any of the rules. Turns out he emailed my mom because he didn't have the guts to tell me straight up. I love the hypocrisy,
Matthew 18:21-22 "Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times."
And I don't think I've done anything 490 times :p

I'm actually kinda glad to be out of there, but I do wonder what public school is like. Any advice for an entering senior who has never been to one?

Sounds like you fucked up a bit there, man...but who expels someone for not tucking their shirt in? I really hope this is some kind of elaborate joke.

Don't know what it's like in America, but public schools tend to be a little rougher than private ones. It doesn't really matter as long as you don't go running your mouth, acting hard and doing generally stupid things. There's probably not a whole lot of difference here really.

Education standards are significantly better at most private schools in Australia but I don't know that it will make much of a difference really. Someone with experience in American schools might be better suited to give you some advice, the only people I can think off the top of my head to talk to would be Midwest Revolutionary and Ben G.

Keep us posted, comrade.

[Mumbles]

Me and my parents have actually started talking again and she isn't as pissed as I thought she was. Especially after I went and apologized to the disciplinary dude. Which went pretty dumbly.

I went up to him apologized and said "I'm sorry I offended you by not having my shirt tucked in and by saying that the rule was retarded, it was an inappropriate way to show my dissatisfaction with the rule." to which he replied something along the lines of that I'd have to get to where I appreciated the rule, whence I asked him how it affected learning and he just said the same thing that I'd have to learn to appreciate it.

But after I told my mom about that she was actually proud of me for taking initiative and apologizing of my own will. So I'm back on my family's good side.

Yeah, I probably did fuck up, but I don't really see it as affecting me all that much since the school I'm zoned for has better science curricula than my current one. And they let you into the AP classes if you think you can handle it without having to go through the bureaucratic nonsense that my current school does, and if you fail the class it was your own damn fault haha

Thankfully one of the few people I know that goes to the school is a good friend and someone I've been introducing to leftist ideas. Also she's just a cool girl in general. But thankfully she's said she'd help me acclimate myself to the school and introduce me to how social life works there, who not to talk to, who has knives, who has certain things, etc.

Also as a plus, the public school doesn't require that I go to the indoctrination class...err bible class as a requirement for graduating.

[Chambered Word]

Thankfully one of the few people I know that goes to the school is a good friend and someone I've been introducing to leftist ideas. Also she's just a cool girl in general. But thankfully she's said she'd help me acclimate myself to the school and introduce me to how social life works there, who not to talk to, who has knives, who has certain things, etc.

Sounds good that you have a friend like her. Did fights ever happen at your private school?


Also as a plus, the public school doesn't require that I go to the indoctrination class...err bible class as a requirement for graduating.

Haha, that's great. Thing is the entire American education system is a essentially a brainwashing institute from what I've heard.

[son of man]

Tell them you'll be a commie all you like. If they threaten to do anything like kick you out then threaten back that you'll go to said school counsellor and say that your parents made you watch them have sex or that Daddy touched your penis/vagina in a bad way.

Problem solved!

[Chambered Word]

Tell them you'll be a commie all you like. If they threaten to do anything like kick you out then threaten back that you'll go to said school counsellor and say that your parents made you watch them have sex or that Daddy touched your penis/vagina in a bad way.

Problem solved!

They see me trolling, they hatin, moderatin, they tryin to catch me postin dirty...

[son of man]

Anything is possible with a good lawyer. Asides from the fact that a good lawyer is an oxymoron.

[Jazzratt]

Tell them you'll be a commie all you like. If they threaten to do anything like kick you out then threaten back that you'll go to said school counsellor and say that your parents made you watch them have sex or that Daddy touched your penis/vagina in a bad way.

Problem solved!

Yeah nothing improves a situation like a long and expensive court battle and the possibility of a perjury conviction. You ignorant fuck.

[Mumbles]

Sounds good that you have a friend like her. Did fights ever happen at your private school?[QUOTE]

Real fights? Nope. Minor scuffles? Yep, and I was involved in a few back when I was "unpopular".

[QUOTE]Haha, that's great. Thing is the entire American education system is a essentially a brainwashing institute from what I've heard.

This is true... but at least I'll be able to speak freely my opinion there without retribution in the form of "you have to go speak to the bible teacher until you convert!"

Also, no thanks to the court case

[here for the revolution]

I was going to suggest complaining to the relevant authorities (here in the UK you can contest exclusion's quite successfully for ridiculous things such as not having your shirt tucked in-in some circumstances, piercings for example, it's actually illegal to exclude you despite any school rules that might ban them). But you sound more upbeat about your future school than your present one, so if you're going through with it best of luck and enjoy not being indoctrinated :).

[Jazzhands]

That's why I hate Catholic school. My brother goes in semi-fine and comes out on psychiatric medication. Also, the principal almost got him expelled for uniform violations while he was letting this other kid off free after the other kid showed up to school DRUNK AT 9AM. He let him off because his dad was a golfing buddy. That's capitalist education for you. All in all, non-religious private schools aren't that bad in the US, but the public schools are shitholes due to constant underfunding. And catholic schools drive you insane, literally and metaphorically.

Years later, you should come back and do something insane and make sure they know it was you. Don't hurt or kill anybody, but something fun.:D

For instance, graffiti :blackA: or some other way of vandalizing all pictures of Jesus in the school without getting caught. Sign each symbol with a quote from Lenin, Bakunin, etc. on religion.

[ellipsis]

Oy, I forgot to mention a big part of it too, sorry I'm not exactly in my right mind as I'm trying not to worry so much, but the part that set it off is that I refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance at my school and they sent an email home since they're too incapable of dealing with it themselves. So that's where I'd feel like a heretic, if I had to semi-publicly give an oath to something I don't believe in and never will.

After 9/11 the state that I went to high school in enacted a law requiring the pledge of allegiance to be said at the beginning of every day, which it was over the loudspeaker. I never stood or said it until there was an opening for the person to read it. So in the end me and another radical read the pledge of allegiance along with some quote EVERY morning which was pretty ironic.

[son of man]

I think I got a negative rep for my earlier posts. Oh well. Sorry if I upset anyone. It's funny how it is so easy to upset dangerous revolutionaries.

[SammXVX]

Kind of late, but, I'm actually waiting for this to happen to me, as well.
I think you just have to accept it and be prepared for taking care of yourself.
At least, that's my plan. I'm sick of compromising.
Stay true, comrade.

[Chambered Word]

That's why I hate Catholic school. My brother goes in semi-fine and comes out on psychiatric medication. Also, the principal almost got him expelled for uniform violations while he was letting this other kid off free after the other kid showed up to school DRUNK AT 9AM. He let him off because his dad was a golfing buddy. That's capitalist education for you. All in all, non-religious private schools aren't that bad in the US, but the public schools are shitholes due to constant underfunding. And catholic schools drive you insane, literally and metaphorically.

Put speed holes in that fucker's car. It's the only way.


Years later, you should come back and do something insane and make sure they know it was you. Don't hurt or kill anybody, but something fun.:D

For instance, graffiti :blackA: or some other way of vandalizing all pictures of Jesus in the school without getting caught. Sign each symbol with a quote from Lenin, Bakunin, etc. on religion.

If you have some time, you might want to. You could successfully troll the hell out of your old school. :thumbup1:

Anyhow good luck with your new school comrade, keep us posted. :)

[cska]

Me and my parents have actually started talking again and she isn't as pissed as I thought she was. Especially after I went and apologized to the disciplinary dude. Which went pretty dumbly.

I went up to him apologized and said "I'm sorry I offended you by not having my shirt tucked in and by saying that the rule was retarded, it was an inappropriate way to show my dissatisfaction with the rule." to which he replied something along the lines of that I'd have to get to where I appreciated the rule, whence I asked him how it affected learning and he just said the same thing that I'd have to learn to appreciate it.

But after I told my mom about that she was actually proud of me for taking initiative and apologizing of my own will. So I'm back on my family's good side.

Yeah, I probably did fuck up, but I don't really see it as affecting me all that much since the school I'm zoned for has better science curricula than my current one. And they let you into the AP classes if you think you can handle it without having to go through the bureaucratic nonsense that my current school does, and if you fail the class it was your own damn fault haha

Thankfully one of the few people I know that goes to the school is a good friend and someone I've been introducing to leftist ideas. Also she's just a cool girl in general. But thankfully she's said she'd help me acclimate myself to the school and introduce me to how social life works there, who not to talk to, who has knives, who has certain things, etc.

Also as a plus, the public school doesn't require that I go to the indoctrination class...err bible class as a requirement for graduating.

That's good. If you're going to a public school with plenty of AP classes then you're definitely better off there than in a private school. As bad as the public schools are, the ones that have AP classes are still better than private schools.

I would recommend taking all the AP classes you can, as it looks excellent on your college application, and you learn a lot more.

And its nice that you have a friend who will settle you in to public school. Don't worry, you'll be fine.

[Bitter Ashes]

The intention of schools in a capitalist system is to "prepare" you for working in a capitalist workplace. An employer would sack you for less and that'd be your source of income severed, which is a lot more dire than you can possibly imagine at this point.

We've not had the revolution yet, so learn from this. PICK YOUR BATTLES. I cannot stress this enough, especially to younger comrades who have hormones racing around thier bodies persuading them to do dumb things.

Folks are also more likely to listen to your radical ideas (and sadly it is still considered radical to suggest that people should have a right to food, water and medical care, etc) if they think that you've been reasonable in the past. The last thing you want is to be written off a loon who just has an attitude problem.

[cska]

The intention of schools in a capitalist system is to "prepare" you for working in a capitalist workplace. An employer would sack you for less and that'd be your source of income severed, which is a lot more dire than you can possibly imagine at this point.

We've not had the revolution yet, so learn from this. PICK YOUR BATTLES. I cannot stress this enough, especially to younger comrades who have hormones racing around thier bodies persuading them to do dumb things.

Folks are also more likely to listen to your radical ideas (and sadly it is still considered radical to suggest that people should have a right to food, water and medical care, etc) if they think that you've been reasonable in the past. The last thing you want is to be written off a loon who just has an attitude problem.

Yes in general younger comrades often have a rebellious "counter-culture" and don't pick their battles wisely.

At the same time, though, refusing to say the pledge of allegiance is clearly something one should do, and i wouldn't put that in the category of poor choices.

[Mumbles]

@commisarusa: I usually just dream up ways to take out their holy grounds, the football field (american style football). They spend more on that piece of shit than they do paying the good teachers, and there are some really good teachers that got stuck in that place, although they are far and few between.

@theredson: the person who reads our announcements has to get elected as "chaplain" during junior year, and I don't think I'd even qualify for that nomination haha.

@sammxvx: Yeah, a big part of it is just realizing you're making decisions once they've made theirs. It's not entirely onesided even if the advantage is in their favor. I'm actually showing up to school like 10 minutes early with my shirt tucked in and making sure it stays in, and my first period teacher has even pointed it out to one of the administrators (I walked in on her talking to one of them about me, was kinda cool even if I felt like I was eavesdropping). But if I act extra good at the end to the point where they ask if I want to stay because I've changed, I'm just gonna go "Nope," smile and leave.

@comradelewis: Thanks :) I'll try and keep ya'll updated. This thread will probably necro by the start of next year, unless we keep discussing it.

@cska: Yeah I'm hoping to take a bunch of science AP classes because, to be honest, they're pretty easy for me. I :wub:love:wub: science stuff so my mind actually pays attention enough to learn first time I hear most anything in those classes. Don't know if I'd be willing to take another math after this year of what's basically AP math (I did math team which is the nerdy equivalent). Thanks for the encouragement about settling in there :)

@hannahkay: Yeah I know it's supposed to be helping me with that, but I was mostly getting in trouble there for stuff out of my control. I apparently had anger issues there because people would start fights with me in elementary and jr high, who'd'a thunk that the guy getting beat on had the anger issues... Apart from the pledge I don't think I made a conscious decision to disobey for disobedience sake. Other times I just didn't think I'd truly get in trouble, including talking in the study hall, which was a freak thing because the teacher will talk with us up until a point where she gets stressed cause she was supposed to be doing her work and hadn't been, so she lashes out to quiet us.
But yeah, if you're going to consciously choose battles, make sure they aren't just hormones swelling. I agree whole-heartidly with that sentiment. Also I'd advise you to question your own every action because they might try and get onto you for somethin stupid and it's best to be on the defensive.

Thank you all for replying and helping me with this. Thankfully it's been turning out well even if it means I'm gonna have to adapt to a "new lifestyle" before I was prepared to. But it'll be good practice for college so i won't freak out haha

[scotchwallace]

Try giving them Daniel DeLeon's essay on James Madison, it is a way of presenting a communist point of view that respects the founders. It might be worth a try.

[Bitter Ashes]

Whoa whoa whoa. Hang on a minute.

We're talking about criminal damage here and although I'm certainly not without sympathies, PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS THIS PUBLICLY.

Quite simply, if he goes off and does this now. Not only will the cops have everything in line to arrange a little trip to the cells to "scare some sense into you", but also the guy who encouraged him to do it. The ISP can also cut us off for encouraging overt criminal activity.

Revleft, IS monitored by the police and other security forces and they DO act upon what's on here. A good comrade had a knock on the door from West Yorkshire Police only a few months back because of things he'd alledgedly posted on Revleft. They went over a hundred miles out of thier jursidiction to deliver that intimidating message in person. Lest we forget Sherman Austin too.

You're both new, so no hard feelings, but again, please learn from this.

For the sake of all parties, I've removed the posts. Mumbles, DO NOT do that stuff now. Your plan's been publicly broadcast to the world's police forces already and just in case they missed it, then the crawlers will already have it. If you do it now, then you'll get caught.

[Mumbles]

Whoa whoa whoa. Hang on a minute.

We're talking about criminal damage here and although I'm certainly not without sympathies, PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS THIS PUBLICLY.

Quite simply, if he goes off and does this now. Not only will the cops have everything in line to arrange a little trip to the cells to "scare some sense into you", but also the guy who encouraged him to do it. The ISP can also cut us off for encouraging overt criminal activity.

Revleft, IS monitored by the police and other security forces and they DO act upon what's on here. A good comrade had a knock on the door from West Yorkshire Police only a few months back because of things he'd alledgedly posted on Revleft. They went over a hundred miles out of thier jursidiction to deliver that intimidating message in person.

You're both new, so no hard feelings, but again, please learn from this.

Aye, sorry about that. I was figuring that even cops would be able to tell I was just venting my last feelings for the school and just talking out my ass, but I guess I do actually need to be more careful about that.

[Bitter Ashes]

Aye, sorry about that. I was figuring that even cops would be able to tell I was just venting my last feelings for the school and just talking out my ass, but I guess I do actually need to be more careful about that.
Interesting to note that your thread's got 1,200 views all of a sudden. Just be careful, okay? The law's not written to be fair, or just.

[Jazzhands]

Oh THAT'S why I couldn't find the posts. Sorry about that. Of COURSE Revleft is monitored by the police. Whoever doesn't think we live in a police state should read that post. But I hate to sit and do nothing because a few Stormfront people decided to call us a terrorist threat and get us on the Partyvan watch list. :(

[Mumbles]

Interesting to note that your thread's got 1,200 views all of a sudden. Just be careful, okay? The law's not written to be fair, or just.

Shit... that's freaky. Do you know how many it had just before?

[Bitter Ashes]

Shit... that's freaky. Do you know how many it had just before?
No idea. It's usualy abnormal for a thread in DIY to get more than around 150 views per page though.

[Mumbles]

No idea. It's usualy abnormal for a thread in DIY to get more than around 150 views per page though.

To be honest, I've got a bit of an ego, I check in on my thread every few minutes :p

But still, I'll be more careful from now on, don't want a record for this kind of thing, and I especially don't want to accidentally shut you guys down. And won't shoot (too much of) the shit from now on

Also how long after he had posted that stuff did the coppers show up? For reference sake

[Mumbles]

To all who have been reading this thread, I'm incredibly sorry that I posted such dumb things. I don't want to make excuses, so I'll keep it short. I'm sorry if anything happens because of it. And to those that think I was actually planning to do such a thing, I'm sorry for misleading you with my words.

I hope you all can forgive me for endangering your ideas in such a foolish manner.

[Bitter Ashes]

To all who have been reading this thread, I'm incredibly sorry that I posted such dumb things. I don't want to make excuses, so I'll keep it short. I'm sorry if anything happens because of it. And to those that think I was actually planning to do such a thing, I'm sorry for misleading you with my words.

I hope you all can forgive me for endangering your ideas in such a foolish manner.
Don't worry about it Mumbles. Just be careful in future, okay? :)

Always, hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst. :)

[Mumbles]

Don't worry about it Mumbles. Just be careful in future, okay? :)

Always, hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst. :)

Thanks. I was almost :crying: but I talked to one of the guys from here last night and he mentioned a lot of people do stupid stuff on the internet and don't have bad stuff happen, so the odds aren't all too horribly skewed.

So... I'm wanting to get this thread back on track, because up till then it would have served as a decent something, not really a guide, but helpful to anyone getting messed with by their school as like a "yeah, a lot of people here have been messed with by their schools, just talk with us cause we'll help you and care :)" thread, yaknow?

[HamishFTW]

Oh you lucky lucky boy. Several of my friends went to a pretentious public school (posh private school) founded by the slave trader Edward Colston. They made all the pupils, including the black ones, sit through excessive ceremonies in Colston's name. My friends are decent left leaning individuals and they obviously despised it. Funnily enough one of them is now at St. Andrews, which is full of rich Americans and horrible people.

It's swings and roundabouts though. I've been to a public school (think of the film If...) and know many people from other private schools, and a number of state schools. The academic standard is generally higher when you pay for your education and they give care more, but the school is far more likely to be full of horrible people.

State schools here in the UK are pretty much the same, apart from the rules and traditions. If you just get on with it it'll be no problem.

Also, don't fuck it up. It's far less complicated if you don't.

[Mumbles]

Oh you lucky lucky boy. Several of my friends went to a pretentious public school (posh private school) founded by the slave trader Edward Colston. They made all the pupils, including the black ones, sit through excessive ceremonies in Colston's name. My friends are decent left leaning individuals and they obviously despised it. Funnily enough one of them is now at St. Andrews, which is full of rich Americans and horrible people.

That's just ridiculous. They should have instigated a mock slave revolt.



It's swings and roundabouts though. I've been to a public school (think of the film If...) and know many people from other private schools, and a number of state schools. The academic standard is generally higher when you pay for your education and they give care more, but the school is far more likely to be full of horrible people.

Yeah, a lot of the education is probably better at private schools, but from all my years there, I think I've actually learned more from outside reading on the materials being covered than the views they presented. I'm not trying to make excuses or anything, but our school isn't one of the ones that actually bumps up their standard of education to make up for the money flow, the money mostly goes towards sports.


State schools here in the UK are pretty much the same, apart from the rules and traditions. If you just get on with it it'll be no problem.

Also, don't fuck it up. It's far less complicated if you don't.


I'm hoping I didn't fuck up with being forcibly transferred to my new school. In fact looking at their website, they actually won an award from a pretty big name in science for their AP program within the last 3 years, so I have hopes for it.

[HamishFTW]

Ah a sporty school. You'll have no trouble at your new school if you can discipline yourself to do the work.

[Abattoir_Blues]

Oh man, this all sucks. I'm really sorry you're going through this. I totally agree with everyone telling you to pick your battles, because the alternative is probably a lot harder than dealing with the authoritarian BS is.

My parents kicked me out of the house when I was a teenager, and let me tell you, forcing yourself to be a grown up when everyone you know is going to keggers and enjoying young adulthood is pretty damned tough. Not having a college education or marketable skills got me deep into poverty, and I couldn't pull myself out of it. I ended up marrying my best friend when I was 21 so that I could get money to go to college. (I don't recommend doing this - although it has worked out beautifully for us, it doesn't for most people!)

For teenagers who find themselves in this situation, I often recommend JobCorps, with their free food, housing, and career training. I realize that you're a leftist, and this is run by the patriarchal government, so I'd understand not wanting any part of it. But it is a lifeline, and it's there for young people who find themselves alone in a world of hurt.

In the meantime, however, it's probably best to just avoid the subject with your parents. I have to censor myself around my (conservative, anti-feminist, teabagger) family ALL THE DAMNED TIME. It's a pain in the ass, but it saves us all a lot of trouble.

[Jazzhands]

My school is named after a confederate general whose first military action was to put down a slave revolt. And it's one of the most minority-dominated schools in the country. The school mascot, fortunately, has nothing to do with the person. After all, who wants to be called "The Tyrants" or "The Slavers"? :confused:

Not as bad as yours but goddamn.

[Mumbles]

@HamishFTW, yeah it's definitely a sporty school even if they don't usually win any major things :lol:

@Abattoir Blues, thanks for the info. I'm hoping they won't kick me out of the house, especially since they seem to have come to terms with me being leftist. They could tell I was committed after I tried discussing my views and debating back and forth with my brother who doesn't understand the concept of peaceful debates.

My mom is actually trying very hard to help me with the school situation. With her being a former school teacher trying to get a job after she went back through college classes to get re-certified. I feel pretty bad for her because of the job market, no one seems to be able to get early childhood development teachers...

Anyways, I've actually been getting on the school's "good side" because they haven't confronted me since they put me up for review for next year. So it's my decision whether I stay or not. I talked to my AP physics teacher, who is very much a friend of mine (just in case you were wondering, I don't have anything against most of the teachers personally, just the school officials. At my school we have a lot of very nice and caring teachers who I'm hoping I can stay friends with even if my religious "views" differ) but I asked if he would talk to the guidance counselor monster (one of the higher ups, whom me and my mom both despise with a burning hatred) and convince them to get me into the AP physics C and AP Biology classes, I would consider staying.

It's been kinda weird the last days of school, people I didn't know knew me are actually coming up and talking to me and asking me to stay because they think I'm "cool" or something. :lol: I guess my reputation precedes me. :rolleyes: haha

@commisarusa, I was thinking you should advise the PTA to have a vote on changing the name of the school, but then I realized most PTAs seem to be made up of rich white people who have enough time to not work and do something that'll let them helicopter parent their kids. Or at least that's what television has taught me. :P

You should have alternative-history day where the minorities actually accomplish their revolt :D

[Chambered Word]

It's been kinda weird the last days of school, people I didn't know knew me are actually coming up and talking to me and asking me to stay because they think I'm "cool" or something. :lol: I guess my reputation precedes me. :rolleyes: haha


Honestly, they sound like a bunch of sycophantic two-faced bastards who just want you there to be pushed underneath them for the purpose of feeding their egos. :rolleyes:

[Mumbles]

Honestly, they sound like a bunch of sycophantic two-faced bastards who just want you there to be pushed underneath them for the purpose of feeding their egos. :rolleyes:

Haha it may just be. Their parents are affiliated with the people running the school so it may be hereditary. :P

But some of the people are just kids I've known in passing that knew me from the jokes I would make while having a conversation/mock argument with some of the teachers during down time in class. So there's always the possibility that some people their are showing signs of becoming rational adults and trying to make it seem like I am still welcome there by the student body. Which is up for debate haha

[Mumbles]

Yet another update:

Today me and my parents had to go talk to the disciplinary guy today. He asked if I cared if I went there next year, I lied and just said "meh," then, "if I get in the AP courses I'd be more inclined to stay." Then I got sent to sit in the office outside for around an hour, during which I just sat... and sat... and played tetris on my phone till it died... and sat... But after that they called me in and my parents were about in tears for some reason (afterwards they told me that my comment about not caring if I went there or not almost didn't get me back in the school next year. Damnit! I didn't try hard enough! But seriously, one of the teachers I had who's been there forever told me that's what the guy does, and my parents ate it up) But apparently my parents have changed their minds and are now set on me going there next year because of the "Christian environment".

FUCK

I wanted out of there, even if it would have been odd to be a new senior...

But when I went back in the room, I was told I'm on probation and that if I do anything to get suspended, I'll be asked to leave (my mom, being a former teacher, told me that they won't actually kick you out because then I could come back and sue for not having an excellent life :lol: ) Also supposedly I'll find people I like to hang out with senior year, since it's the normal thing, and that I'll be happy there, because it's senior year. I don't think I'll find any communists or leftists at all there, so, no.

Oh well, if I fuck up I'll be happy, if I stay there, I'll be "happy".

[Bitter Ashes]

Just chill out and be patient, Mumbles, ok?

You've got a lifetime to get involved with politics. If you want to do school, then you only really get one chance at it. Personally, I dropped out of school completly for a couple of years when I got involved in a bad crowd and got myself in trouble with the police over stupid things. Managed to pull things together at the last moment, but still regret it. You don't have long left in school. Make the most of it while you still can.

[Mumbles]

True. I did write that in a pissed state of mind. I guess staying in one school would look better for that college getting into bit, rather than transferring senior year.

The thing I still hate though is that even if I stay, and be a good little boy (which I was planning on doing anyways to show the buggers up) the guidance person has always been impossible to work with. Be it getting into AP classes or trying to ask what colleges are good for what. So if I may ask RL's advice on this, how does one find out about undergrad colleges that would help me get into colleges that would allow me to mix the majors of neurology and zoology? Or who should I ask about this since the school's is incompetent?

[Jazzhands]

Ask Guidance until and ONLY until they give you a decent answer. If that doesn't happen, you should just google some of that stuff and see what turns up. I'd answer your question myself, but I don't know or care at all about zoology or neurology. Sorry.

[leftace53]

how does one find out about undergrad colleges that would help me get into colleges that would allow me to mix the majors of neurology and zoology? Or who should I ask about this since the school's is incompetent?

Go to the school websites seperately and check out their degree options. Google something like "science schools <location of where you want to go>". It takes a lot of research but even if you get it wrong, you can transfer schools and stuff. Guidance at my school sucked too.

[Bitter Ashes]

Another question. Do you have friends in school? Something to definatly consider maybe.

[Mumbles]

Well there's a problem with that. I know what I want to study, I just don't have any idea about any particular place I'd want to go.


Another question. Do you have friends in school? Something to definatly consider maybe.

Yeah, I guess you could call them that, I'm not very personal with people at school, not much variety in the people. Believe me, I've searched, I've been in almost any clique excluding "rich asshole". I'm hoping very much I can get a fresh start at college.

[leftace53]

lol thats cool, you can narrow your search to regions at a time, like if you're looking for schools in the US, try "science colleges US" ( for instance, this is the first link that comes up (http://www.usastudyguide.com/usuniversitiesanduscollegesscience.htm)) and keep doing the same thing with other regions you are considering. Take note of the schools that seem worth exploring futher, and go from there. Its nothing if not tiring.

[Mumbles]

lol thats cool, you can narrow your search to regions at a time, like if you're looking for schools in the US, try "science colleges US" ( for instance, this is the first link that comes up (http://www.usastudyguide.com/usuniversitiesanduscollegesscience.htm)) and keep doing the same thing with other regions you are considering. Take note of the schools that seem worth exploring futher, and go from there. Its nothing if not tiring.

Thanks. Yeah, I figured it'd more or less be a test of endurance. I'm screwed haha. Just as an example of how little endurance I have, I tried doing cross country for a year, came in next to last every race. I always beat the kid who was out there to lose weight. But we were both a long ways behind everyone else.

[Aloysius]

Oy, I forgot to mention a big part of it too, sorry I'm not exactly in my right mind as I'm trying not to worry so much, but the part that set it off is that I refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance at my school and they sent an email home since they're too incapable of dealing with it themselves. So that's where I'd feel like a heretic, if I had to semi-publicly give an oath to something I don't believe in and never will.
I haven't said the Pledge since late seventh grade, and I don't plan on saying it ever again.
This is pretty bad advice, but you should tell your parents to go fuck themselves.

[Hobbitgoth]

So if I may ask RL's advice on this, how does one find out about undergrad colleges that would help me get into colleges that would allow me to mix the majors of neurology and zoology? Or who should I ask about this since the school's is incompetent?

petersons.com has excellent information for colleges. It shows lots of different general statistics for schools. You can pick one you like, then check out their website, and later campus, for more details. Good luck and try not to knee someone in the balls in anger. I feel for ya, man. :)