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RedStarOverChina
22nd March 2010, 22:14
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8581393.stm
Google stops censoring search results in China


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47520000/jpg/_47520761_googlechinahq.jpg The Chinese government has threatened sanctions against Google

Google has stopped censoring its search results in China, ignoring warnings by the country's authorities.
The US company said its Chinese users would be redirected to the uncensored pages of its Hong Kong website.
In January, Google had complained about a "sophisticated cyber attack originating from China".
Chinese government officials had warned Google repeatedly that it would face consequences if it did not comply with the country's censorship rules.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif We very much hope that the Chinese government respects our decision, though we are well aware that it could at any time block access to our services http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


David Drummond, chief legal officer, Google

In a blog post, the company said the Chinese government had been "crystal clear throughout our discussions that self-censorship is a non-negotiable legal requirement".
Google's chief legal officer, David Drummond, said that providing "uncensored search" from Google.com.hk was "a sensible solution to the challenges we've faced—it's entirely legal and will meaningfully increase access to information for people in China".
It said there might be some service slowdowns and delays in getting search results while it beefs up resources to handle the re-directed queries.
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"We very much hope that the Chinese government respects our decision, though we are well aware that it could at any time block access to our services," Mr Drummond wrote in the blog post.
He wrote that Google would carefully monitor access and provide regular updates via a dedicated page to show what was available via its services in mainland China.
One cause of the row was Google's revelation on 12 January that it, and more than 20 other companies had been the victim of a cyber attack that originated inside China.
During the attack Google lost some intellectual property and discovered that the attack was aimed at the GMail accounts of human rights activists. This attack led Google to "review the feasibility" of its Chinese operations.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47520000/jpg/_47520762_baidugoogle.jpg Baidu is the market leader for online search in China

In the blog entry posted on 22 March, Google said it would maintain an R&D and sales presence in China. It said the size of its sales team would depend on how many Chinese people can get at the Hong Kong based site. Currently about 700 of Google's 20,000 strong workforce are based in China.
On Sunday, state media in China had attacked Google for what they described as the company's "intricate ties" with the US government.
Google provided US intelligence agencies with a record of its search engine results, the state-run news agency Xinhua said.
While Google is the world's most popular search engine, it is a distant number two in the Chinese market, which is dominated by Baidu.
However, because of the size and growth rate of China's internet population, any loss of business there is likely to harm Google's future growth prospects.
Analysts said that initially Google's prospects would not be dented by shutting down Google.cn as it is responsible, at most, for 2% of its annual $24bn (£15.9bn) revenue.
"Near-term, not that big a deal," said Tim Ghriskey, chief investment officer at Solaris Asset Management. "Long-term, if this stays in place, it's a negative. China is certainly a great growth opportunity."
It is well-known that China operates one of the most sophisticated and wide-reaching censorship systems in the world.
Thousands of police officers are employed to monitor web activity and many automated systems watch blogs, chat rooms and other sites to ensure that banned subjects, such as Tiananmen Square, are not discussed.

Little Bobby Hutton
22nd March 2010, 23:41
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how did you make this thread if your banned

Invincible Summer
22nd March 2010, 23:46
In response to the OP: didn't this happen awhile ago? At any rate, what do you think this means for China and/or Google?



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how did you make this thread if your banned
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RedStarOverChina
23rd March 2010, 00:45
how did you make this thread if your banned
Oh they let me post about politics n' stuff, no problem. Just not about my oversized, bleeding hemorrhoid anymore. :(


In response to the OP: didn't this happen awhile ago? At any rate, what do you think this means for China and/or Google?
No, they threatened to do this, but only carried out the threat this morning.

It's still too early to say what this will do for China. It's unknow if the government will ban Google.com.hk or even Google.com completely. If it does, then neat stuff like Google Scholar and Google Map will certainly be missed---But the majority of the internet users don't much care--certainly the ones I spoke with. The ones who care the most tend to be either the ultra-nationalists and pro-Western "democracts".

Worst case scenario would be if Baidu.com establishes itself as the absolute dominant search engine, but I doubt that will happen when there are competitors like QQ, Sohu, MS Bing, etc rushing in to take Google's place.

For Google, there's some but not a lot short term loss. But in the long term, I think they just might grow a little envious of Microsoft and Baidu raking in all the money they left behind.

Yazman
23rd March 2010, 08:01
Well, good on them. Censorship is fucked, and Google has had a reputation for doing it. It's good to see that they aren't going to do it too much in China at least.

KELNOR THE OVERWASP
23rd March 2010, 16:13
Interesting how the msm kicks up a fuss huge over China wanting google to censor searches yet seldom if ever mentions that google already censors in Germany, France and the USA without complaint and will soon be doing so in Australia. the wiki article on "censorship by google" has details.

danyboy27
23rd March 2010, 17:07
its funny to see the chinese governement making all those move to censor the internet openly, without having any good arguments about why they are doing it.

The Ghost of Revolutions
23rd March 2010, 17:31
Interesting how the msm kicks up a fuss huge over China wanting google to censor searches yet seldom if ever mentions that google already censors in Germany, France and the USA without complaint and will soon be doing so in Australia. the wiki article on "censorship by google" has details.
Yes but the Chinese government censors things like the Tiananmen Square massacre.

RedStarOverChina
23rd March 2010, 17:51
Well, good on them. Censorship is fucked, and Google has had a reputation for doing it. It's good to see that they aren't going to do it too much in China at least.
One naturally wonders why Google continues its practice of censoreship in countries like India, but refuses to do so in China.

The answer, I think, is that corporations like Google are at least partially, an extension of imperialist state-power.

Microsoft withdrew its Live Messenger service in Cuba and several other countries. That should have served as a warning sign of what corporations may do to further imperialist interests.

Sendo
24th March 2010, 07:03
One naturally wonders why Google continues its practice of censoreship in countries like India, but refuses to do so in China.

The answer, I think, is that corporations like Google are at least partially, an extension of imperialist state-power.

Microsoft withdrew its Live Messenger service in Cuba and several other countries. That should have served as a warning sign of what corporations may do to further imperialist interests.

Not to mention the fact that Google works with the NSA. Hypocrites to a tee.

Jacobinist
24th March 2010, 07:18
I agree with all the above.

Jacobinist
24th March 2010, 07:19
Really, I do.:D

KELNOR THE OVERWASP
24th March 2010, 11:37
Yes but the Chinese government censors things like the Tiananmen Square massacre.

I can tell you from first hand experience that people in China are well aware of the Tianenmen Square incident. I don't like censorship either but China has a right to defend herself against propaganda and information imperialism. The incident wasn't anything like it get's portrayed as in the west. I'd recommend reading through PSL's excellent article on the subject which I can't link you too due to not having enough posts but it's easy enough to find in the China section.

AK
24th March 2010, 11:41
its funny to see the chinese governement making all those move to censor the internet openly, without having any good arguments about why they are doing it.
To protect the glorious peoples' revolution and the socialist haven that is the People's Republic of China from evil western imperialism and their ideals of "freedom" and "democracy"! :lol:

Morgenstern
25th March 2010, 02:44
Google is only pulling out of China (and thus losing profits) not because of anything having to do with morality. Google figures China and the controversy with it is more trouble than it's worth. I mean an intelligent nation of one billion people, at least one of them are bound to mess with your servers at least yearly.

Ramon Mercador
25th March 2010, 06:09
It's funny, or should I say disturbing, or should i say not that Surprising, that some disgusting LeftComs heres first response is to criticize a socialist government, or a government under attacks by imperialism, when OBVIOSULY, the real enemy is the WESTERN CORPORATION.. i just cant believe it.

Long live Stalin

cb9's_unity
25th March 2010, 20:59
I've heard that google stands to loose a few hundred million due to pulling out.

And I know google does do some censorship in other country's but is it to the extent it is in China?

The Ghost of Revolutions
26th March 2010, 03:40
I can tell you from first hand experience that people in China are well aware of the Tianenmen Square incident. I don't like censorship either but China has a right to defend herself against propaganda and information imperialism. The incident wasn't anything like it get's portrayed as in the west. I'd recommend reading through PSL's excellent article on the subject which I can't link you too due to not having enough posts but it's easy enough to find in the China section.
So tianenmen square didn't go down exactly as the west portrayed it. This some how gives China a reason to censor it?

Tatarin
26th March 2010, 04:30
It's funny. Didn't Google think there was censorship in China before this?

RedStarOverChina
26th March 2010, 16:11
I've heard that google stands to loose a few hundred million due to pulling out.

And I know google does do some censorship in other country's but is it to the extent it is in China?
A while ago an Indian netizen posted a thread saying "I HATE INDIRA GANDHI" on a site call Orkut (which I frequent) owned by Google. Google provided his personal information to the Indian police, which led to his arrest.

Subsequently, the guy fucking died of torture in police custody.

Nothing to that extent ever happened to Google in China, yet China is the target of Google's "moral outrage".

Why? Beside the fact that China is not a 100% obedient peripherial state of the West---Google is the dominant search engine in India, making all the profit there is to be made.

In China, however, there is stiff competition mainly from Baidu. So they probably aren't making as much money as would want to. Rebelling against the international boogieman that is China pleases Washington and boosts its brand image. That's probably why they did it.

Still, I think they seriously miscalculated.

trying2
8th April 2010, 06:53
it is the right of the people to access any information which becomes available because of the internet.. the internet in America has allowed me to at least explore the possibility of 911 truth. It has also allowed me the opportunity to read about the Tienanmen square protests. I found this amazing site revleft. Things like operation northwoods and alex jones programming were found by me through the internet. I am free to at least explore alternatives. I have watched castro documentaries. I have explored many different angles of political and philosophical ideology. I am not saying that America is a free for all out in cyberspace... But still it has brought me to this site.. to explore an alternative