Watch out for police framing!

[A New Era]

There are suspect incidents that have happened to me since I became a revolutionary.

But the one last week was very suspect. There was a guy outside a bar that suddenly attacked me with no reason or warning. He face palmed slapped me in my ears, and I gave him a straight right so he was knocked down. He got up and I pulled him down and gave him a punch in the face.

This took 8-10 seconds and by that time the police came. 8-10 seconds. They took the guy into custody, but I was not very angry at the aggressor, because I was more confused than anything else.

Anyways, the two police officers asked for ID and the usual stuff and then put him into custody.

The same two police officers visit my school the next week for an information meeting.

I talk to them, and this is where it gets funny.

I asked what happened to him. They said he was heavily on drugs. But he wasn't. I saw his eyes and he was sober. The only reason he was wobbly on his legs after the police got there was because I almost knocked him out. Again, he was sober as a nun. And in addition in situations like these, aggressors get tested. I've seen countless of people under the influence of drugs, and this was not one of them. Why would the police say this?

I asked if he got any kind of punishment. They said he got punishment enough in the police van. This is Norway, police never says things like that. Why would the police say this?

Another strange fact; this guy was 38 year old (looked like he was of Turkish origins), and I've never heard about a 38 year old man attacking a 21 year old. It's highly unusual, at least in my area.

I talk to my best friend about this right after the incident. I talk to him about the incident and he says "they probably roughed him up like that because he was a foreigner". I felt a deep discomfort in me. Why? Because I purposely never mentioned he was a foreigner. My best friend is of Turkish origins and so is the second police officer. He even mentioned to me that he has him on facebook. How would he know he was a foreigner when I purposely never told him? I confronted him about this and he got very ackward.

Anyways, this has happened several times and the police has acted very strange in all of these situations.

To sum it up:

* Police seemed to know about the attack, and I noticed before I went out of the bar that there was no police car in sight. Average time for police to arrive on a crime scene in Norway? 1-3 hours, sometimes they never bother to show up.

During weekends, night times. 5-10 minutes. I've ever in my life seen a police car show up 8-10 seconds after a fight has started. Ever. And I felt something was fishy even while defending myself from the attacker and the police arrived, and my first thought wasn't "the police is here, what a relief." My first thought: "Holy crap! that's very suspicious!".

* The very same police officers show up at my school approximately four days later

* The attacker was in the most common age of a police officer in this country

* The attacker as well as the attack was highly unusual

* The police lies about the situation

* My best friend knows this police officer, has talked to him before, and knew details of the attacker without me ever telling him, purposely.

* Another point. My best friend doesn't show up the day the police arrives at the school. I talk to him on the phone, telling him about what's happened so far at school. I tell him about the police officers visiting the school. I tell him "You know what the crazy thing is? The police officers that saw the attack showed up at school". His response: "Oh, was that Turkish police officer there?". Yet, I never told him the police officer was Turkish, then he excused himself saying his father knows that police officer or something like that.

I am not saying it's a 100 percent certainity these are set-ups, but I am getting increasingly suspicious. I am pretty certain they want to frame me for something to get a warrant (though I don't hold anything particular exciting except my political beliefs and work).

This is just one episode. There have also been undercover cops (later identified) who tried to aggressively start a fight with me. Not just a fight actuallly. One walked on my left side, one on my right side. Then they started a weird conversation and asked how "I was doing". I said "fine". They continued to follow me on each side and said "are you sure about that?" I replied "yes", "are you really sure?". I actually thought they were going to kidnap me. The they identify themselves as police, takes my ID, and picks up a phone. They return to me and says "okay fine, you don't have that much on your criminal record". "That much?" As far as I know, I have a perfectly blank criminal record. Nothing on me. Zip, zero, nothing. Why would undercover cops try to threathen me like that? Aren't they supposed to be "undercover"?

I got an apology from the police chief, saying there was a city wide police operation going on and said the behavior of the police officers was unacceptable. But it didn't stop there. About three months later, a guy started a fight with me. I got him down on the ground, and I look up. Imagine who is standing right in front of me. The very same undercover cops. They don't say anything. They just stare at me.

I'm also partly posting this just in case someone is trying to frame me for something.

Even if this was to be proven not true, take notice of situations like this.

[Invincible Summer]

Where the hell do you live?

[A New Era]

Norway.

I talked to my friend a few days ago and we talked about the incident. Again, he came out with information that he couldn't possibly know. I asked him "how do you know this?" His response? Ackwardly, he said, "I can see into the future" then he laughed. What kind of response is that?

Why does my friend know about this incident?


I am certain if I continue to beat up these guys the police will eventually just frame me for something, put narcotics on me or put something on my computer that would make me a criminal.

[Invincible Summer]

Your "friend" seems pretty suspicious to me. I don't know if I'd like to have a "friend" that's seemingly ratting me out

[AK]

Wow that shit's pretty fucking creepy. If you moved to a different town, would the police officers be the same? And what's with everyone being Turkish?

[Bitter Ashes]

Contary to popular belief, entrapment is not a defence in court in most places. Be careful what you get provoked into doing.

[FreeFocus]

Wow, this is some extremely weird stuff. I don't see why they'd single you out for investigation though, particularly if you aren't active politically.

[Invincible Summer]

And what's with everyone being Turkish?


Haha yeah good point... I wasn't aware Norway had such a significant Turkish population

[Morgenstern]

Your "friend" seems pretty suspicious to me. I don't know if I'd like to have a "friend" that's seemingly ratting me out

Seconded, the friend seems like a cop. It's one thing to take good guesses, it's another thing to know real details.

[Chambered Word]

Your "friend" seems pretty suspicious to me. I don't know if I'd like to have a "friend" that's seemingly ratting me out

Maybe you could do some surveillance on your mate OP?

[A New Era]

An update:

My facebook has been hacked, intimate details of a trip abroad in the beginning of April was sent to a friend. The only ones who knew these intimate details were two friends of mine, plus the girl I was with.

Yesterday, my hotmail was hacked, quite obviously. I checked it again today and the same thing happened.

This is getting uncomfortable. What's the point of this?

[Chambered Word]

Alright, you've either done a shitload of meth or something nasty is going down. If you can think of something you might have done or something you might be involved with that could have triggered this now would be a good time to identify it. Someone else with more knowledge of the subject should help with this. By the way, I'm pretty sure the pigs watch RevLeft.

[A New Era]

I haven't done anything other than beer and a joint here and there, and I don't have any mental disorder.

This is why I am curious, because I haven't done anything wrong, or at least not anything that would warrant harrasment like this.

Yeah, I know they are probably reading this.

[here for the revolution]

Maybe remove that first sentence? They'll pounce on anything if they can.
I wish I could offer more advice, I really don't know what to suggest. Do you have any more knowledge on your `friend`?

[which doctor]

This is all circumstantial evidence and speculation. Do you really think that you're that important enough of a person to warrant such an elaborate police investigation that even involves your own friends? I suggest you stop looking so deeply into coincidences and get along with living a normal life.

[rebelmouse]

If secret service follow you, of course, they have people beside you, they will act like your friends, although they are not. they are friends of yours just to get chance to spy you in order to get some privileges from government for their dirty job. even if you are friend with someone whole life (neighbours, for example), now you can see that they like more government than you. they are your neighbours/friends/relatives, but they didn't support you when they got information that they should spy you. don't forget that secret service spread rumors against someone whom they follow, they will try to isolate you, they will use even your relatives against you (those relatives who sells themselves). you will become "black sheep" and you will discover how much is strong secret service, how many people collaborate with secret service, because secret service give them privileges whole life. welcome to the world of blask sheeps, and don't think that your friends hate you, they just like to kiss in ass government in order to get privileges. but don't speak them everything, they chose side which is against you. you can't fuck off all relatives and friends and neighbours, but you can avoid to speak with them about any topic. they sold themselves, be on distance from them, don't speak them everything. it is the same about new friendships, you don't need to refuse it, but you don't need to tell them everything. it is the same about girls, be with them, don't speak them everything. I was very surprised when I saw how many people sell themselves. I was followed 6 years by secret service in my country and more than 2 years in scandinavia. they send several groups of people when they spy someone, between 30-50 people follow you (they have shema, you can see repeating of the same behavior around you, that's how you can see that they follow you) all the time and they prepare people who will try to make friendship with you: their aim is to get information about your habits, moving, way of thinking. and even if you are not some improtant or dangerous person, it doesn't matter, secret service will make danger there where is no danger, because they have interest to make job for themselves and to get bigger money from budget. cop can not live without thief, secret service can not live without imagines threats. they make elephant from fly, something big from small thing, it is their interest.

[Kearney]

No offence to you guys but that all sounds like a tin foil hat moment.

You want to know about police frame ups? Read about Colin Duffy...
As I can't post links if you google him and go on to the first link, friends and family site.

[hatzel]

This is all circumstantial evidence and speculation. Do you really think that you're that important enough of a person to warrant such an elaborate police investigation that even involves your own friends? I suggest you stop looking so deeply into coincidences and get along with living a normal life.

I would go along with this. I would also go along with the 'what's with all the Turks?' thing. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the the (presumably small) Turkish population of said Norwegian town know each other. I wouldn't put it past a policeman to say in conversation, "oh, by the way, boy, I saw your mate getting caught up in a fight the other day, with some drugged-up Turk". Then he tells you, and then maybe gets hit by some kind of "oh, are policemen like doctors and jurors? Are they not allowed to tell people about this kind of stuff? Oh no, I'd better not tell him that I was told in conversation"...

Unless you've been following that famous Norwegian tradition of burning down churches, or are otherwise in the upper echelons of an active anti-government organisation, you're in the clear. I mean, I remember once seeing a 10-second fight in Finland, which was then interrupted by the police almost instantly. The only thing I thought was how funny it was that the perpetrator happened to be a drunk English guy, and how funny it was that the police were there so quickly. To be honest, they'd probably just seen a bunch of drunk Englishmen and thought to trail them, on the assumption that they'd be the most likely source or criminality in this otherwise empty town. They were probably doing the same with Mr Drugged-up-Turk (remember that it's pretty much impossible to know by looking at somebody, during a fight, when you'll hardly be paying attention to details, for a few seconds, and know his state of narcosis. So personally, I'd suggest in this case that you thank the police for having the initiative to follow a guy they thought posed some kind of risk (maybe he had been walking around shouting and punching walls :thumbup1:), or otherwise intervened to protect you, rather than thinking that they were involved in it. Hell, you punched a guy twice, I think if they wanted an excuse to take you in, that would have been more than enough :lol: