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Communist
21st March 2010, 02:07
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McCain and Lieberman's "Enemy Belligerent" Act Could
Set U.S. on Path to Military Dictatorship (http://www.alternet.org/story/146081/)
(http://www.alternet.org/story/146081/)
By Liliana Segura
AlterNet
March 19, 2010


On March 4th, Senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman
introduced a bill called the "Enemy Belligerent
Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010"
that, if passed, would set this country on a course to
become a military dictatorship.

The bill is only 12 pages long, but that is plenty of
room to grant the president the power to order the
arrest, interrogation, and imprisonment of anyone --
including a U.S. citizen -- indefinitely, on the sole
suspicion that he or she is affiliated with terrorism,
and on the president's sole authority as commander in
chief.

The Act begins with the following (convoluted)
requirement:

Whenever within the United States, its territories,
and possessions, or outside the territorial limits
of the United States, an individual is captured or
otherwise comes into the custody or under the
effective control of the United States who is
suspected of engaging in hostilities against the
United States or its coalition partners through an
act of terrorism, or by other means in violation of
the laws of war, or of purposely and materially
supporting such hostilities, and who may be an
unprivileged enemy belligerent, the individual
shall be placed in military custody for purposes of
initial interrogation and determination of status
in accordance with the provisions of this Act.

In other words, if at any point, anywhere in the world,
a person is caught who might have done something to
suggest that he or she is a terrorist or somehow
supporting a terrorist organization against the U.S. or
its allies, that person must be imprisoned by the
military.

For how long?

As long as U.S. officials want. A subsequent section,
titled "Detention Without Trial of Unprivileged Enemy
Belligerents," states that suspects "may be detained
without criminal charges and without trial for the
duration of hostilities against the United States or
its coalition partners." In a press conference
introducing the bill earlier this month, Sen. Joe
Lieberman said, "I know that will be -- that may be --
a long time, but that's the nature of this war."

As constitutional expert Glenn Greenwald has pointed
out, "It's basically a bill designed to formally
authorize what the Bush administration did to American
citizen Jose Padilla -- arrest him on U.S. soil and
imprison him for years in military custody with no
charges." What happened to Padilla, a notorious
perversion of justice in a country that claims to be a
democratic standard-bearer, would thus go from being an
exception to the rule itself.

As "war on terror"-era legislation goes, Greenwald
calls the Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention,
and Prosecution Act "probably the single most
extremist, tyrannical and dangerous bill introduced in
the Senate in the last several decades, far beyond the
horrific, habeas-abolishing Military Commissions Act."
This is a sobering statement, especially given the
intense controversy the MCA generated at the time of
its passage, in the heady weeks preceding the 2006
midterm elections. Then-Senator Obama was one of only
34 senators who voted against it, calling it "sloppy,"
and expressing his wish that "cooler heads . prevail
after the silly season of politics is over."

Now, however, as president, Obama has helped pave the
way for such radical legislative efforts as the one
introduced by McCain and Lieberman, by embracing -- and
re-branding -- the military commissions he once
opposed.

"Belligerents" are the new "Combatants"

Three years after Obama eloquently opposed the Military
Commissions Act, the now-president signed a Military
Commissions Act of his own, as part of the 2010 Defense
Authorization Bill. The law, which sought to overhaul
the discredited Bush-era military commissions for
"alien enemy combatants," introduced what is apparently
turning out to be an important new term to the
counterterror lexicon: Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent,
defined as "an individual who: 1) has engaged in
hostilities against the United States or its coalition
partners; or 2) has purposefully and materially
supported hostilities against the United States or its
coalition partners."

Months before, in March of 2009, the Obama
administration announced that it was phasing out the
term "alien enemy combatant," even as it held on to the
authority to hold terror suspects indefinitely.
"Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent," then, was its
replacement.

As Human Rights Watch attorney Joanne Mariner wrote
last fall, "this is a cosmetic change, not a real
improvement, which mirrors the administration's
decision to drop the enemy combatant formula in habeas
litigation at Guantanamo Bay."

What overshadows all of these differences is,
however, a key similarity with the Bush-era
definition. Just as, in the Guantanamo habeas
litigation, the Obama administration has adopted
the Bush-era position of claiming that persons who
provide support to hostilities can be treated just
like persons who engaged in hostilities, the new
law's "unprivileged enemy belligerent" definition
takes the same tack."

In other words, it is as expansive a definition of
"terrorism" as possible.

In Obama's defense bill, the word "alien" preceded the
term "unprivileged belligerents," in defining who can
be held before a military commission. For McCain and
Lieberman's purposes, omitting the word "alien"
apparently means the label can apply to U.S. citizens,
while, politically, the word "unpriviliged" provides a
useful connotation: terror suspects will not be coddled
like common criminals!

This now-familiar line is the one Senators McCain and
Lieberman have taken in pushing their legislation.
"These are not common criminals. They are war
criminals," Lieberman told reporters at his press
conference with McCain. The bill now has eight
Republican co-sponsors: Sen. Saxby Chambliss (GA), Sen.
James Inhofe (OK), Sen. George LeMieux (FL), Sen. Jeff
Sessions (AL), Sen. John Thune (SD), Sen. David Vitter
(LA), Sen. Roger Wicker (MS), and the newly-elected
Sen. Scott Brown (MA).

In case there was any doubt that terror suspects will
have no rights under this law, the Right's cynical
attack on Miranda rights has been conveniently
inscribed into the Enemy Belligerent Interrogation,
Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010:

A individual who is suspected of being an
unprivileged enemy belligerent shall not, during
interrogation under this subsection, be provided
the statement required by Miranda v. Arizona . or
otherwise be informed of any rights that the
individual may or may not have to counsel or to
remain silent consistent with Miranda v. Arizona.

But what is perhaps most dangerous is the tremendous
amount of power it gives to a U.S. president to
determine who is and who is not a terrorist. Under the
bill, the president would establish a 'high-value
detainee interrogation group," comprised of Executive
Branch experts "in matters relating to national
security, terrorism, intelligence, interrogation, or
law enforcement as the President considers
appropriate." This group would be in charge of making a
"preliminary determination whether or not the detainee
is an unprivileged enemy belligerent . based on the
result of its interrogation of the individual and on
all intelligence information available to the
interrogation group." Its findings would go to the
Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General, who
would "jointly submit to the President and to the
appropriate committees of Congress a final
determination whether or not the detainee is an
unprivileged enemy belligerent."

"In the event of a disagreement between the Secretary
of Defense and the Attorney General, the President
shall make the final determination."

Also, all of this has to happen no more than 48 hours
after the detainee is brought into military custody.

Where's the Controversy?

The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and
Prosecution Act has yet to go anywhere -- it has been
referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee -- which
might account for the lack of discussion about it. But,
especially coming from two politicians as influential
as McCain and Lieberman -- "Serious Centrists" as
Greenwald calls them, regularly "feted on Sunday shows"
-- such a radical stab at authoritarian rule must be
swiftly and loudly condemned.

"Why is the national security community treating the
'Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and
Prosecution Act of 2010,' introduced by Sens. John
McCain and Joseph Lieberman ... as a standard proposal,
as a simple response to the administration's choices in
the aftermath of the Christmas Day bombing attempt?"
asked The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder this month, "A close
reading of the bill suggests it would allow the U.S.
military to detain U.S. citizens without trial
indefinitely in the U.S. based on suspected activity."

This is a defining characteristic of a military
dictatorship. Where's the outrage? And will it come
before it's too late?

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The Red Next Door
21st March 2010, 02:40
welcome to the home of the junta and fascism.

RedScare
21st March 2010, 03:25
Oh boy, this sounds lovely.

Nolan
21st March 2010, 03:33
And the teabaggers think universal healthcare is the biggest threat to what freedom they have.

Red Commissar
21st March 2010, 05:29
The military is looking out for our best interests. They can't possibly do anything wrong!

;)

RedScare
21st March 2010, 06:22
I don't think this will pass the Senate and the House. This is far too blatant an attempt to find a way around habeus corpus.

Rusty Shackleford
21st March 2010, 06:34
I don't think this will pass the Senate and the House. This is far too blatant an attempt to find a way around habeus corpus.
you never know. and even if it doesnt pass, it wil pass when a more reactionary or nationalist party is at the healm. im not implying that either party isnt nationalist. they both are. or maybe "American Exceptionalist" is the best word for it.

Communist
21st March 2010, 06:42
I don't think this will pass the Senate and the House. This is far too blatant an attempt to find a way around habeus corpus.

That's the consensus. Plus the fact there's nothing to it, the 12 pages. That's...unheard of, for nearly anything.
But what I'm wondering is, why are they doing this, what is this posture really about? Neither Leiberman or McCain have any future promotion in the offing nor re-election worries should they even run again.
So what is this about?
I'm thinking this is just a sort of decoy; toss it out there, because all imperialist politicians want more power over us, and then 'water it down' through committees. Ultimately pass something still terrifying, but obviously less so than this ridiculous thing, and with an easy shot at passage. There's been a bit of saber-rattling and gloomy terrorist predictions these last few months from the Obama administration.
So we need to take a serious look at this. There's no other reason for these two senior bigshots to do this, if there's not a logical end goal, and that's what is worrying. Neither McCain or Leiberman are exactly naive about how these things work.

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Martin Blank
21st March 2010, 07:03
This will likely pass both houses of Congress sometime in the beginning of next year under the new Congress, and Obama will sign it. More than likely, it will be slipped into the next Defense Authorization Act (which is why it's only 12 pages) and quietly signed into law, much like the de facto renewal of the Military Commissions Act that was put into last year's Authorization.

The fact is, though, that most of this is already the practice of Obama's corporatist regime, especially after the recent flaps over the show trial of Khalid Sheikh Muhammad and the spoiled little rich kid from Nigeria with exploding underwear. It should come as no surprise that this is being proposed, and it should come as no surprise when it ultimately passes.

Communist
21st March 2010, 07:12
This will likely pass both houses of Congress sometime in the beginning of next year under the new Congress, and Obama will sign it. More than likely, it will be slipped into the next Defense Authorization Act (which is why it's only 12 pages) and quietly signed into law, much like the de facto renewal of the Military Commissions Act that was put into last year's Authorization.
The fact is, though, that most of this is already the practice of Obama's corporatist regime, especially after the recent flaps over the show trial of Khalid Sheikh Muhammad and the spoiled little rich kid from Nigeria with exploding underwear. It should come as no surprise that this is being proposed, and it should come as no surprise when it ultimately passes.

I thought about this possibility, but this bill is too outrageous.
Short of a terrorist catastrophe, this is just too over the top to gain traction - as it is now. Not because they don't want it to, god knows this would be their dream come true, but because they still have to face re-election - congressmen, senators. I'm not painting a rosy picture by any means - something will happen and something awful will pass. But I cannot see this being it.
Knock on wood.
(shudders)

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Martin Blank
21st March 2010, 08:17
I thought about this possibility, but this bill is too outrageous.

I feel I have to ask: What is really so outrageous about this bill?

More to the point: What in this bill is so new as to be unheard of and shocking?

The answer is nothing. Everything in this bill is a rehash of Washington's policy since 9/11, with the exception of the new euphemism ("enemy belligerent") and clarifying the reading of Miranda warnings to suspected "terrorists". Everything else in the bill either clarifies policy, such as in military custody, or codifies existing (if not legislated) policy, such as in the chief executive having power to strip a U.S. citizen of their rights (which has been done since 2005). This is why I expect it will pass; there's not enough "new" here to cause real debate among the exploiting and oppressing classes.

Yes, we may very well be "outraged" over the provisions of this bill. But the ruling classes are not "outraged", because much of this is not really new. Besides, we learned only a few months ago from General Mason, the Director of National Intelligence, that Washington has been targeting U.S. citizens overseas for assassination. That raised hardly a peep among the exploiters and oppressors -- and that is far more "extreme" and "outrageous" than detention as an "enemy belligerent", in my opinion.


Short of a terrorist catastrophe, this is just too over the top to gain traction - as it is now. Not because they don't want it to, god knows this would be their dream come true, but because they still have to face re-election - congressmen, senators.

If this country were still a bourgeois democracy, instead of a corporatist (Bonapartist) police state using the hollowed-out shell of bourgeois democracy as a cover, you and I would agree on the potential of an electoral backlash. But the United States is no longer a bourgeois democracy in any meaningful sense of the term. We've been through a "Weimar-ization" over the last decade.

The whole point of the draft theses (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=3359) I asked you and others to comment on was to analyze where we are now. In the society we're in now, which rests more on the riot shield and pepper spray container than the ballot box and bully pulpit, where "law and order" mean more than peace and freedom, and where the forces of the capitalist state (military, police, prison, etc.) have become a central axis, if not the central axis, of the dominant body politic, we should expect that if corporatism's political agents want to keep their jobs, they will flock to such a "law and order" bill as that proposed by McCain and Lieberman.

This is especially the case with the Tea Party Nativists pulling from the right. This bill hits on everything the Nativists advocate, including the central role of the military in "anti-terrorist" operations. Let's not forget that when the "Fruit of Kaboom" bomber was arrested last Christmas in Detroit, the Nativists were the ones screaming about how he should not have been read the Miranda warning, and should have been turned over to the military as an "enemy belligerent". With those elements gaining strength and becoming a mass force, the pressure from the right to pass this bill (quietly) will increase.

Sadly, there are few of us among self-described socialists and communists who see a need to do anything about this. The left is more or less divided into two camps: 1) those who act as a "pressure group" toward the Democrats, and 2) those who see it all as a "tempest in a teacup".


I'm not painting a rosy picture by any means - something will happen and something awful will pass. But I cannot see this being it. Knock on wood. (shudders).

They may make some minor changes to this, but I expect that the basic elements of this bill will pass as part of Defense Authorization, which is how they move these elements through Congress quietly and quickly these days. As I said, if the DNI is already admitting that Washington targets U.S. citizens suspected of "terrorism" for assassination (an admission that only garnered a few short moments of comment on MSNBC, and that's about it), why should we expect outrage from the exploiting and oppressing classes about this?

Sorry, comrades. I know I'm not painting a rosy picture, either. But then, I'm not here to do that.

Axle
21st March 2010, 08:18
Twelve pages? This could easily be tacked onto another bill without anyone so much as flinching.

But why make the thing so blunt? Legislation is supposed to be word salad and legal jargon...get what you want without anyone without a law degree and a lot of down time being any the wiser.

The only reason I can think to be that front-and-center with what you want to do is if you're fully confident that no one is going to care.

InuyashaKnight
21st March 2010, 08:36
Coup in the works....

Communist
21st March 2010, 08:55
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This takes the entire definition of terrorist to such massively broad levels that it logically follows it could apply to nearly anyone with any left political leanings. This is beyond phone tapping and surveillance; this is literal arrest with no reason specifically needed at all. No Miranda or apparently any variation on it either. Applied to all. And more. Yes it's outrageous and to think this could fly in the current realities is highly doubtful to me.
This is a nightmarish scenario. I understand everything you're saying Miles and the case you made is solid, depressing and, dare I say it, horrifying.

I tend to follow this logic:
9/11.
Around that time and for a while after there was constant paranoia that the US could be hit by terrorists with nuclear devices. But this didn't make sense because if they'd had these things they would have used them instead of planes. And if the government thought they could get away with what this bill is suggesting, they could have very easily snuck it into the Patriot Act at that time. There was plenty of debate around all these things in the halls of power but it didn't go this far.

I can't, of course, know what is going on. But I am certain that you very very much want to be wrong with what you're thinking. And we all do.
No matter what, this is bad.
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Communist
21st March 2010, 09:18
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Unpleasant thought.
The wide coverage of Jihad Jane and the huge propaganda on this. "It could be your neighbor" crap.
If this goes through, it will be "It could be you". And the left? It will be you, and you and me.
Call me slow, but I'm seeing a connection now.

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Martin Blank
21st March 2010, 10:04
This takes the entire definition of terrorist to such massively broad levels that it logically follows it could apply to nearly anyone with any left political leanings. This is beyond phone tapping and surveillance; this is literal arrest with no reason specifically needed at all. No Miranda or apparently any variation on it either. Applied to all. And more. Yes it's outrageous and to think this could fly in the current realities is highly doubtful to me.

Ever since the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995, they have been expanding the definition of what is a "terrorist". With that legislation, the definition of "terrorism" was expanded to include "violent" labor strikes and political protests (look at the definitions of "economic terrorism" included in "anti-terrorist" legislation to see what I mean). The USA-PATRIOT and Domestic Security Enhancement Acts, of 2001 and 2005, respectively, expanded this to include any protests that could not be controlled by the state. The Military Commissions Act of 2007 stripped away citizenship rights and habeas corpus for those deemed "terrorists" or potential "terrorists" by the chief executive. The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Act, which passed the House in 2007 and later had its core elements incorporated into a Defense Authorization Act in 2008, shifted the focus of "anti-terrorist" operations more toward domestic surveillance and detention of U.S. citizens. On top of these are numerous Executive Orders, National Security Directives, Justice Department Memoranda and Executive Signing Statements that, in many respects, make the McCain-Lieberman bill anti-climactic.

I guess my point here is to ask when the ground shifted? In my view, it shifted 15 years ago, when Clinton opened the door with the OCA. It was only open a crack, but that was enough to let the Bush regime kick it wide open with USA-PATRIOT, DSEA and MCA (all of which have now been made permanent by Obama). In effect, the exploiting and oppressing classes have been building up to this for a long time, and have been putting the elements in place carefully and strategically, one at a time. McCain-Lieberman is a "closer" of a bill; it is the culmination of what corporatist capitalism needs, in its view, to secure its control. Anything beyond this can be handled "off the books".


This is a nightmarish scenario. I understand everything you're saying Miles and the case you made is solid, depressing and, dare I say it, horrifying.

I should say that, even though I do see this as a further step into the "Dark Scenario", I also think the situation is not irreversible. However, this requires a mass, organized working-class movement ready to shut down and scatter the Nativists to the four winds as part of its preparation for challenging (and ultimately defeating) corporatist rule.


I tend to follow this logic: 9/11. Around that time and for a while after there was constant paranoia that the US could be hit by terrorists with nuclear devices. But this didn't make sense because if they'd had these things they would have used them instead of planes. And if the government thought they could get away with what this bill is suggesting, they could have very easily snuck it into the Patriot Act at that time. There was plenty of debate around all these things in the halls of power but it didn't go this far.

I hate using a "slippery slope" argument, but in this case the trajectory of the last decade has come to resemble one. Since the first World Trade Center attack in 1993 and the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, the trajectory of the exploiting and oppressing classes has been toward "perfecting" the state in this direction. This process was only accelerated by 9/11 and subsequent events. Comparatively speaking, there has been no debate on "anti-terrorist" issues; it has never been a debate in the institutions of government about whether or not to erode democratic rights or extend the "public power" (the state). What has been substituted for genuine debate are incremental "differences" over how much to curtail democratic rights and how much overextended power to give to the armed forces of corporatist capitalism.


I can't, of course, know what is going on. But I am certain that you very very much want to be wrong with what you're thinking. And we all do. No matter what, this is bad.

There's a lot of things that I've talked about on here that I would have loved to have been wrong about. Haven't been yet, unfortunately.

Martin Blank
21st March 2010, 10:07
Unpleasant thought. The wide coverage of Jihad Jane and the huge propaganda on this. "It could be your neighbor" crap. If this goes through, it will be "It could be you". And the left? It will be you, and you and me. Call me slow, but I'm seeing a connection now.

I was going to bring this up, but I thought others might not see the connection. It is connected, as is the guy from Chicago, David Headley, that admitted the other day he was scouting places in Mumbai for the 2008 attacks. This one's beginning to look like a slow pitch down the middle for corporatism to hit out of the park.

Dimentio
21st March 2010, 10:37
And the teabaggers think universal healthcare is the biggest threat to what freedom they have.

This shows were priorities are going wrong...

Rusty Shackleford
21st March 2010, 10:58
This shows were priorities are going wrong...
it was obvious from the start. being born from the libertarian movement was a dead give away.

at least the argument "you should be thankful to live in a country that lets you say what you say" will soon be invalid for a good number of us. its already happened to arabs and indians mistaken as arabs and so on. its happened to us in the 20s, the 50s, the 70s. its almost like you can count on a crackdown like you can count on the capitalist system crashing over and over again.