The emo subculture.

[The Red Next Door]

What is your opinion on the emo culture, do you think it is reactionary?

[Raúl Duke]

It's just a subculture...

I find people who like metal/hard rock/etc-whatever (in my university) to lean more towards reactionary positions and to be not interesting.

[The Douche]

I think its pretty much dead and the only people who still use the terms are old people and kids who don't know anything about subcultures.

[Kléber]

Yeah, the more austere emos move on to orthodox punk culture, while the original social base of emo culture is now into vampires. But it lingers on in other countries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUJLn7645Zs
A protest by Mexican emo kids against anti-emo street violence by chauvinistic homophobes, gets attacked by metalheads saying "They're copying our styles!" Then the cops arrive and beat up everybody, but a fourth force appears in the nick of time!

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

A protest by Mexican emo kids against anti-emo street violence by chauvinistic homophobes, gets attacked by metalheads saying "They're copying our styles!" Then the cops arrive and beat up everybody, but a fourth force appears in the nick of time!

And then a bunch of Hare Krishnas come and steal the show? I think all of the subcultures have their "enemy subcultures" but to have civil disorder over "emo-ism" is just ridiculous. I love DF.

[The Feral Underclass]

Punk is the way forward. I'm not even sure whether "emo" is even a thing anyway, beyond a group of kids listening to shit music. What I mean is, it doesn't represent any political or social sentiment or attitude in the way Punk does. And Punk boys are just far hotter.

[Bilan]

Punks talk a lot of shit.

[brigadista]

its a phase....

[gorillafuck]

It's a subculture that passed by, now people are more onto dressing in a shitload of DayGlo colors and listening to bands like Atreyu and Devil Wears Prada. I don't really mind it, and there's no political trend among people who do.

[Mumbles]

My two cents is that it's just a bunch of retarded kids getting sucked in by Hot Topics dark colors and edgy "appearance".

Besides, it makes it so real loners can't get the peace they want when the emo kids try and be loners too, by trying to get real ones to teach them. :lol: You would think I'm kidding. I'm not. I've never been one to be social and I hate being called a loner because of the negative connotation [I mostly do it because I'm incredibly shy, yay internet facelessness :blushing:, and because going to a private Christian school means that the few people I do socialize with don't understand the first thing about Communism, which I'm slowly trying to change, as is everyone here I hope. But I've had a bunch of these emo kids follow me around and ask me how I keep myself entertained. It's creepy shit.

[Raúl Duke]

that the few people I do socialize with don't understand the first thing about Communism, which I'm slowly trying to change, as is everyone here I hope.

Nope, when I socialized the last thing I probably talk about is my politics. Not that I hide it, especially my criticism of the current system, but I just don't make my politics my focus of every conversation or my personality per se.

[Audeamus]

And Punk boys are just far hotter.

Heresy. Emo boys are made of secks.

[Incendiarism]

When I think of emo music I think of hardcore punk. Which it is!

[¿Que?]

What if these emo kids became politically conscious. Anarcho-emoism?

[Incendiarism]

politically active emo kids are situationists

[Stand Your Ground]

What if these emo kids became politically conscious. Anarcho-emoism?
LOL. They can listen to whatever they like as long as it's not prejudice in any any way. I don't think they care about politics anyway they just wanna be something adults don't understand.

[RHIZOMES]

A commercialized degeneration of the punk subculture comprised nearly entirely of alienated middle-class white teenagers.


I find people who like metal/hard rock/etc-whatever (in my university) to lean more towards reactionary positions and to be not interesting.

Also this.

[Pirate Utopian]

I call people emo when they are too sensitive.

An actual emo as in the subculture I dont really see very often.
There's a girl in my class that is somewhat of an emo in that way, she's nice.

[Angry Young Man]

A commercialized degeneration of the punk subculture comprised nearly entirely of alienated middle-class white teenagers.

In the UK, it was very popular in South Wales. Explain that one.

I just thought it was amazing watching emo degenerate from inwardly-aggressive skaters (see the video for Funeral for a Friend's 'Juneau') to self-indulgent anorexics with stupid hair.

[Physicist]

A commercialized degeneration of the punk subculture comprised nearly entirely of alienated middle-class white teenagers.A LOT of self-labeled "emos" in Texas are Mexican.

[Raúl Duke]

A commercialized degeneration of the punk subculture comprised nearly entirely of alienated middle-class white teenagers.

In Puerto Rico, rock subculture is till defined by emo-looking kids. They havent been keeping up with the U.S....

I Mexico, there's also emos.

Although, yep, they are mostly middle class but "middle class" is more fluid in PR than the U.S....I mean it includes explicitly sections of the working class that aren't on welfare.

[Mumbles]

Nope, when I socialized the last thing I probably talk about is my politics. Not that I hide it, especially my criticism of the current system, but I just don't make my politics my focus of every conversation or my personality per se.

Sorry for making it mis-worded :blushing: I didn't mean that that's all I talked about. Just that if there is something stated about Communism and Socialism, I try and point out if it is wrong and why, if the situation doesn't make me seem like too much of a jackass. haha

[The Ben G]

I find people who like metal/hard rock/etc-whatever (in my university) to lean more towards reactionary positions and to be not interesting.

Hey! :(

[The Ben G]

The emo subculture makes me sick. Twilight and company need to go and take all of its followers and give them the good ol' Jim Jones treatment.

Plus, anyone who is part of a 'subculture' should go and open their thoughts to the wide world.

[The Douche]

The emo subculture makes me sick. Twilight and company need to go and take all of its followers and give them the good ol' Jim Jones treatment.

Plus, anyone who is part of a 'subculture' should go and open their thoughts to the wide world.

In the sociological definition of the word, radical politics is a subculture.

[RHIZOMES]

The emo subculture makes me sick. Twilight and company need to go and take all of its followers and give them the good ol' Jim Jones treatment.

Plus, anyone who is part of a 'subculture' should go and open their thoughts to the wide world.

I know many radical communists who are part of the hardcore punk and hip-hop subcultures...

[Raúl Duke]

Hey! :(

Just the majority...
You probably have seen this yourself...you live in the same state as I.

[RHIZOMES]

Just the majority...
You probably have seen this yourself...you live in the same state as I.

It's the same in NZ as well. Most metalhead and hard rock fans I've met are right-wing fucks. I think it's hard rock/metal's macho, ultra-masculine attitude that makes that genre so attractive to reactionaries. We were doing the $15 minimum wage campaign at an AC-DC concert, for example, and while we expected a working-class audience we got a lot more abuse than anywhere else we've put forth that petition.

[gorillafuck]

Plus, anyone who is part of a 'subculture' should go and open their thoughts to the wide world.
I reeeeeally picture you as a punk, to be honest. You post about punk music (particularly 80's punk), and seem to really love Jello Biafra.


We were doing the $15 minimum wage campaign at an AC-DC concert, for example, and while we expected a working-class audience we got a lot more abuse than anywhere else we've put forth that petition.
I thought being near AC/DC concerts causes blindness....

[Angry Young Man]

AC/DC choke chode

[Nwoye]

The emo subculture makes me sick. Twilight and company need to go and take all of its followers and give them the good ol' Jim Jones treatment.
1. that's not even emo subculture.
2. wishing for an entire group of people to commit suicide based on the movies they see is pretty fucked up.

[AK]

Emo subculture isn't reactionary.
I'm no emo but alot of my friends are and my best friend says that what she defines as "emos" are "people who express their emotion through what they wear". So then is it by coincidence that nearly all emos are miserable and wear depressing clothing?

[Tablo]

Emo subculture isn't reactionary.
I'm no emo but alot of my friends are and my best friend says that what she defines as "emos" are "people who express their emotion through what they wear". So then is it by coincidence that nearly all emos are miserable and wear depressing clothing?
The world is a pretty depressing place.

[Black Sheep]

Emo, Bayern fan, etc

[Qayin]

mainstream emo music sucks

Its all about saetia comrades

[Comrade B]

It is a sort of mix between consumerism and punk, pretty much punk without a message.
It is pretty damn individualistic, but fortunately it is dying out.
They tend to listen to pop-hardcore and shit like that. I am a fan of some hard core... but you will never catch me wearing an atryu shirt.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Emo is a decadent bourgeois aberration
middle class corruption of hardcorer punk rock with their soaring guitar riffs, depraved melodies and self indulgent lyrics

[Qayin]

They tend to listen to pop-hardcore and shit like that. I am a fan of some hard core... but you will never catch me wearing an atryu shirt.

What are some bands you like?

[Comrade B]

I listen to the local hardcore scene from my home town, I don't know the names of the larger bands that my friends play, but they aren't too bad either.

If you want, you could look up No Kings, they are from my home town, pretty good, though the recording quality could be better (the vocals are a bit too loud on the recording)

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I just thought it was amazing watching emo degenerate from inwardly-aggressive skaters (see the video for Funeral for a Friend's 'Juneau') to self-indulgent anorexics with stupid hair.

I have battled with anorexia myself amongst other forms of dysphoria. It has nothing to do with being 'emo'.

[cb9's_unity]

Its hard to call emo one group or one trend. The 'emo' of the early 2000's doesn't have much connection with the emo of the 90's or 80's. When bands like Thursday started to integrate hardcore back into post-hardcore, a million identical self-proclaimed post-hardcore and emo bands came around and developed that stereotypical hot topic fan base that the mainstream media became conscious of.

Earlier emo bands don't have any of the self-hating goth-like shit that 2000's emo had. Rites of Spring, Sunny Day Real Estate, and The Get Up Kids are all emo bands that don't have any of the modern emo stereotypes.

[The Feral Underclass]

Punks talk a lot of shit.

To be fair, most people talk a lot of shit. I don't think it's specific to punk.

[Decommissioner]

I think it would do most people to at least take a cursory glance at wikipedia, if not study the subculture itself, before rattling off about a subculture or genre of music they hardly understand. I know little about hip hop, and I know better than to assume all hip hop is just jay-z and lil wayne.

With that said, what is there to understand about the emo subculture? It's mostly non existent, and has morphed into mostly post-hardcore and screamo, and bleeding into indie-rock. Emo in it's purest form does not exist (unless in a vain attempt to bring it back), although what popular culture tends to think is "emo" seems quite big.

Politically, these kids can be anything from ron paultards to primitives to communists like myself. We are united by good music and having fun, and less so by politics, although naturally as young folk who listen to punk and heavy music we tend to be naturally left leaning.

It's accurate to say a lot of the radical parts of indie subculture are sprung from bourgeois seeds. An example is the trust fund guy who started a local farm and grocery store. It's radical to the extent that it gives us an opportunity to shop somewhere that isn't corporate, however it isn't as radical as say ordinary factory workers taking over their workplace (and if I were to provide that example to the average well-meaning, yet new-agey patron that visits this store they would look at me with confusion as to why anyone would "like work in a factory, man" :lol:)

Another example would be the trend for a lot of people to adopt the label anarchist and become homeless as a lifestyle choice, and to dumpster dive. To each their own, it just makes me chuckle to see people with such safety nets 'rebel' in such a way. It looks fun, honestly, too bad it in no way resembles real poverty, or anything radical. In a political argument I had with a friend of mine who subscribes to this lifestyle, he said that work should be abolished, and that no one would want to work even if they collectively owned the means of production, and that we should all just stop paying bills and ride bikes. This is just an example to provide an idea of what you may find in punk/hardcore/screamo/indie subcultures as far as radicalism goes. It all tends to revolve around zine culture, and while there are genuine radical ideas within it, it all seems to lead to lifestylism more than anything else.

Theres not really much more to it than that. I am fully entrenched in the "subculture" as it seems to be a culture open to all cultures. It is one of a couple subcultures that isn't jaded by the music industry and thus people make music/go on tour/live life just for fun. You'll also rarely find someone who is into, say, ear bleeding heavy hardcore that also does not listen to or at least appreciate other genres like hip hop, electronic music, or folk. I am the same way, my love for music and culture naturally leads me to be with other people who share this taste. A lot of these people listen to real emo (and not "emo") so I tend to feel the urge to defend them when I can. They get stereotyped as safe, collegiate, middle class white people and to many extents this is somewhat true (as the above two example of "radicalism" show), but it is also a stereotype and it cant be applied to everyone who enjoys living a certain way and liking certain kinds of music.

[Tyrlop]

I think it would do most people to at least take a cursory glance at wikipedia, if not study the subculture itself, before rattling off about a subculture or genre of music they hardly understand. I know little about hip hop, and I know better than to assume all hip hop is just jay-z and lil wayne.

With that said, what is there to understand about the emo subculture? It's mostly non existent, and has morphed into mostly post-hardcore and screamo, and bleeding into indie-rock. Emo in it's purest form does not exist (unless in a vain attempt to bring it back), although what popular culture tends to think is "emo" seems quite big.

Politically, these kids can be anything from ron paultards to primitives to communists like myself. We are united by good music and having fun, and less so by politics, although naturally as young folk who listen to punk and heavy music we tend to be naturally left leaning.

It's accurate to say a lot of the radical parts of indie subculture are sprung from bourgeois seeds. An example is the trust fund guy who started a local farm and grocery store. It's radical to the extent that it gives us an opportunity to shop somewhere that isn't corporate, however it isn't as radical as say ordinary factory workers taking over their workplace (and if I were to provide that example to the average well-meaning, yet new-agey patron that visits this store they would look at me with confusion as to why anyone would "like work in a factory, man" :lol:)

Another example would be the trend for a lot of people to adopt the label anarchist and become homeless as a lifestyle choice, and to dumpster dive. To each their own, it just makes me chuckle to see people with such safety nets 'rebel' in such a way. It looks fun, honestly, too bad it in no way resembles real poverty, or anything radical. In a political argument I had with a friend of mine who subscribes to this lifestyle, he said that work should be abolished, and that no one would want to work even if they collectively owned the means of production, and that we should all just stop paying bills and ride bikes. This is just an example to provide an idea of what you may find in punk/hardcore/screamo/indie subcultures as far as radicalism goes. It all tends to revolve around zine culture, and while there are genuine radical ideas within it, it all seems to lead to lifestylism more than anything else.

Theres not really much more to it than that. I am fully entrenched in the "subculture" as it seems to be a culture open to all cultures. It is one of a couple subcultures that isn't jaded by the music industry and thus people make music/go on tour/live life just for fun. You'll also rarely find someone who is into, say, ear bleeding heavy hardcore that also does not listen to or at least appreciate other genres like hip hop, electronic music, or folk. I am the same way, my love for music and culture naturally leads me to be with other people who share this taste. A lot of these people listen to real emo (and not "emo") so I tend to feel the urge to defend them when I can. They get stereotyped as safe, collegiate, middle class white people and to many extents this is somewhat true (as the above two example of "radicalism" show), but it is also a stereotype and it cant be applied to everyone who enjoys living a certain way and liking certain kinds of music.
how do we avoid lifestylism to corrupt our political goals in everyday life comrade?

[GreenCommunism]

mainstream emo music sucks

Its all about saetia comrades
:crying: i am not alone.

i may be mistaken about sunny day real estate(i hate them with a passion). but rites of spring and so on are far too punkish in my taste to be really what the genre is about.

there are also many new bands who have nothing to do with underoath or similar whiny stuff.

as for the clothing give me a break, there was a similar punk style in the 1980s and nobody gave a fuck. the current emo trend is repackaging hijacking at it's worse.

there is very violent emocore aswell as very atmospheric and soft emocore, sometime they alternate between the two. there is little whiny stuff to be honest, though the lyrics tend to be whiny i find them to be no more whiny than poetry or bands like ac/dc. i actually compared lyrics and there are parts which can be interpreted as faggotish, but of course it's ac/dc. not emo so nobody cares.

louise cyphre,usurp synapse are the most violent. orchid, raein,envy often alternates. perhaps hot cross is one of the softest because they often use singing.

also i forgot to add, many of the emocore bands are just as radical leftist as the hardcore punk scene.

[praxis1966]

This might seem off topic, but bear with me. Within the last few days there were a bunch of kids that got poisoned at a rave here in the Bay Area because they bought knock-off ecstasy. I think one of them died, a bunch were sent to hospital, and two are still there in critical condition.

The old lady calls me an asshole for thinking this way, but my attitude was basically, 'Well, that's what they fucking get for buying drugs from a stranger. Back when I was still doing that kind of shit, I never bought from someone I didn't know personally. It's just fucking stupid.' The news keeps showing the pictures of the two guys in critical condition, so yesterday I say to her, 'See? What did I tell you? They're a bunch of fucking idiots! Just look at the guy on the right, with his stupid fucking Flock of Seagulls emo hairdo! You gotta question the decision making capacity of anyone who would intentionally have that haircut.'

Ok, rant over. lulz

[Lyev]

This might seem off topic, but bear with me. Within the last few days there were a bunch of kids that got poisoned at a rave here in the Bay Area because they bought knock-off ecstasy. I think one of them died, a bunch were sent to hospital, and two are still there in critical condition.

The old lady calls me an asshole for thinking this way, but my attitude was basically, 'Well, that's what they fucking get for buying drugs from a stranger. Back when I was still doing that kind of shit, I never bought from someone I didn't know personally. It's just fucking stupid.' The news keeps showing the pictures of the two guys in critical condition, so yesterday I say to her, 'See? What did I tell you? They're a bunch of fucking idiots! Just look at the guy on the right, with his stupid fucking Flock of Seagulls emo hairdo! You gotta question the decision making capacity of anyone who would intentionally have that haircut.'

Ok, rant over. lulz
http://googleemo.com/images/emoboy6.jpg

[praxis1966]

http://googleemo.com/images/emoboy6.jpg

^Point proven. But then, what else would you expect from an old skool East Coast punk like me? You know, given that I'd fit right in with these guys (http://www.myspace.com/thesparring).

[Chimurenga.]

but rites of spring and so on are far too punkish in my taste to be really what the genre is about.

Uhmm.. bands like Rites of Spring, Embrace, and Moss Icon were considered "emo" before bands like Sunny Day Real Estate.


i actually compared lyrics and there are parts which can be interpreted as faggotish, but of course it's ac/dc. not emo so nobody cares

Get the fuck out here with that bullshit.

[gorillafuck]

i actually compared lyrics and there are parts which can be interpreted as faggotish, but of course it's ac/dc. not emo so nobody cares.
Cut that out.

Fugazi and Rites of spring are really good. That's all the emo I know, though.

[RedAnarchist]

there are parts which can be interpreted as faggotish, but of course it's ac/dc. not emo so nobody cares.

Verbal warning for homophobic language.

[Nwoye]

The old lady calls me an asshole for thinking this way, but my attitude was basically, 'Well, that's what they fucking get for buying drugs from a stranger. Back when I was still doing that kind of shit, I never bought from someone I didn't know personally. It's just fucking stupid.' The news keeps showing the pictures of the two guys in critical condition, so yesterday I say to her, 'See? What did I tell you? They're a bunch of fucking idiots! Just look at the guy on the right, with his stupid fucking Flock of Seagulls emo hairdo! You gotta question the decision making capacity of anyone who would intentionally have that haircut.'
I don't understand all of the hate for this subculture. They're just a bunch of angsty teenagers who dress stupid and listen to bad music. It's not like they're hurting anyone. And yet I've seen numerous instances on this sight of people making jokes about them committing suicide/cutting themselves, and also stuff like this. I just don't get the anger towards them at all.

[this is an invasion]

This thread is so embarrassing.

[Animal Farm Pig]

I met an emo once about five years ago. We all thought he was a goth, but he insistently said, "I'm not goth! I'm emo." Aside from poor fashion sense, he was a really good guy. Aside from him, I don't think I've ever met any other emo. This subculture could not have been very large.

[praxis1966]

I don't understand all of the hate for this subculture. They're just a bunch of angsty teenagers who dress stupid and listen to bad music. It's not like they're hurting anyone. And yet I've seen numerous instances on this sight of people making jokes about them committing suicide/cutting themselves, and also stuff like this. I just don't get the anger towards them at all.

It's not that I hate them, I just think the whole business is ridiculous. There are alot of fashion and music trends (which this essentially is) I think are idiotic. This particular trend just happens to be the topic of this thread. I mean, I've ranted and raved about the idiocy of black metal and its fans, but nobody really gave a shit.

I guess my question to you is, why do you care so much about what I think? How exactly is my opinion hurting anyone? I mean, it's not like I'm going out assaulting people simply for the way they look, just making fun of them.

Didn't your mother ever tell you, 'Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me?'

[Raúl Duke]

Fugazi

Umm....I don't think Fugazi is emo...

Also, this is a necro-ed thread...

[Marko 4chan]

Emos are as bad as NazBols.

[Chambered Word]

It's the same in NZ as well. Most metalhead and hard rock fans I've met are right-wing fucks. I think it's hard rock/metal's macho, ultra-masculine attitude that makes that genre so attractive to reactionaries. We were doing the $15 minimum wage campaign at an AC-DC concert, for example, and while we expected a working-class audience we got a lot more abuse than anywhere else we've put forth that petition.

You didn't expect AC/DC concerts to naturally attract huge swathes of fuckwits?

[Tyrlop]

faggotish
I get utterly mad when people are fucking racist.

[Nwoye]

It's not that I hate them, I just think the whole business is ridiculous. There are alot of fashion and music trends (which this essentially is) I think are idiotic. This particular trend just happens to be the topic of this thread. I mean, I've ranted and raved about the idiocy of black metal and its fans, but nobody really gave a shit.
Well this: "See? What did I tell you? They're a bunch of fucking idiots! Just look at the guy on the right, with his stupid fucking Flock of Seagulls emo hairdo! You gotta question the decision making capacity of anyone who would intentionally have that haircut." seems to be pretty callous at best, and misanthropic at worst. I mean sure they fucked up but they don't deserve to die, and I don't think it's cool to approach the incident with the attitude of "well those stupid emo kids got what was coming to them".

A couple of weeks ago a girl in detroit was riding a schoolbus when she stuck her head out of the window and was killed (by a tree branch or truck or something). Now she did something stupid and it was her fault, but that doesn't mean you should just shrug off her death. It's the same thing with the emo kids taking E.


I guess my question to you is, why do you care so much about what I think? How exactly is my opinion hurting anyone? I mean, it's not like I'm going out assaulting people simply for the way they look, just making fun of them.I was asking a question about a perceived trend on this forum.


Didn't your mother ever tell you, 'Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me?'she didn't actually.

[Revy]

Verbal warning for homophobic language.

He should be banned, considering what he said and how fucking outrageous it is.

And the post should be trashed.

[GreenCommunism]

This might seem off topic, but bear with me. Within the last few days there were a bunch of kids that got poisoned at a rave here in the Bay Area because they bought knock-off ecstasy. I think one of them died, a bunch were sent to hospital, and two are still there in critical condition.

The old lady calls me an asshole for thinking this way, but my attitude was basically, 'Well, that's what they fucking get for buying drugs from a stranger. Back when I was still doing that kind of shit, I never bought from someone I didn't know personally. It's just fucking stupid.' The news keeps showing the pictures of the two guys in critical condition, so yesterday I say to her, 'See? What did I tell you? They're a bunch of fucking idiots! Just look at the guy on the right, with his stupid fucking Flock of Seagulls emo hairdo! You gotta question the decision making capacity of anyone who would intentionally have that haircut.'

Ok, rant over. lulz

i hate you, no one deserves to die for taking drugs. also its very rare that you really buy drugs from people you know. anyway.


Uhmm.. bands like Rites of Spring, Embrace, and Moss Icon were considered "emo" before bands like Sunny Day Real Estate.

i dont care if they are, its just impossible to compare rites of spring to screamo such as orchid or louise cyphre.

Cut that out.

Fugazi and Rites of spring are really good. That's all the emo I know, though.

Verbal warning for homophobic language.
ah sorry, i just meant to say ac/dc has whiny lyrics about woman too. why should whiny lyrics about woman be bad when the music is emo and not when it is a respected rock group like ac/dc. you are right i should have used another word but i didn't know how to say it.

It's not that I hate them, I just think the whole business is ridiculous. There are alot of fashion and music trends (which this essentially is) I think are idiotic. This particular trend just happens to be the topic of this thread. I mean, I've ranted and raved about the idiocy of black metal and its fans, but nobody really gave a shit.

I guess my question to you is, why do you care so much about what I think? How exactly is my opinion hurting anyone? I mean, it's not like I'm going out assaulting people simply for the way they look, just making fun of them.

Didn't your mother ever tell you, 'Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me?'
I get utterly mad when people are fucking racist.
and i get utterly mad when people are in a certain way fascist and claims emo to be an inferior subculture. mind you i do despise the mainstream corporate sold-out one but i respect their right to be part of it. even if in a way i am quite mad of being hijacked in a worse manner than rap could ever claim to be.


He should be banned, considering what he said and how fucking outrageous it is.

And the post should be trashed.
what the fuck did i say that was so outrageous, i used a wrong word that's it.

i just pointed out that ac/dc has lyrics about a man sad that a woman leaves him, i find it hypocritical that ac/dc fans bash emos for their lyrics. pardon me for being raised in a world where the f word is accepted for describing a lack of virility and i'm not talking about fuck. i do try to change and i apologize for this.

[Revy]

If you think it's OK to use the word "faggotish", you can fuck off.

You chose to say the word. You knew what you were doing when your dumb ass said it. that is a weak apology because you are defending the word to describe a so-called "lack of virility".

[Spawn of Stalin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbdh0Qm_5A0

[GreenCommunism]

If you think it's OK to use the word "faggotish", you can fuck off.

You chose to say the word. You knew what you were doing when your dumb ass said it. that is a weak apology because you are defending the word to describe a so-called "lack of virility".
i never said it was okay, my weak ass apology was not a weak ass apology, and i didn't know how to say lack of virility in one word. you are over-reacting. and all the crap people here have said about the emo subculture is pretty fucking offensive to me and i don't complain about it at all. and yet again, i apologize for using that word.

as for motionless, know that many so called emocore band were pretty pissed of being called emo when the music they played in their opinion was nothing but punk rock.