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Sasha
19th March 2010, 03:12
jezus....


Retired US General: Gay Dutch Troops Contributed to Srebrenica Massacre

Michael Bowman | Washington 18 March 2010
http://media.voanews.com/images/480*320/ap_bosnia_serbia_srebrenica_480_10Jul09.jpg Photo: AP

Bosnian Muslim women weep near the coffin of a relative among coffins of Srebrenica victims displayed at a memorial center of Potocari near Srebrenica, Bosnia, 10 Jul 2009


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A former top U.S. and NATO commander says the Netherlands' inclusion of gays in their military rendered Dutch peacekeeping troops unable to prevent the slaughter of thousands of Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica in 1995.

Retired U.S. Marine General John Sheehan led the U.S. Atlantic Command and served as the top NATO commander in the mid-1990s, the height of ethnic cleansing in former-Yugoslavia.

He told the Senate Armed Services Committee that allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the U.S. military would breed friction and undermine unit cohesion in the armed forces. Asked by Senator Carl Levin whether other nations, like Britain and Israel, had suffered as a result of ending their nation's bans on gay military service, the general said "yes."

Sheehan pointed to the Netherlands, which he said embarked on a process of social engineering in the Dutch military once the Cold War ended. "They declared a peace dividend and made a conscious effort to socialize their military. It included open homosexuality. That led to a force that was ill-equipped to go to war," he said.

In fact, the Netherlands was among the first nations to end discrimination in the military based on sexual orientation, affirming the right of gays to serve years before the fall of the former Soviet Union.

Sheehan backed his contention that gay soldiers undermined Dutch combat readiness by pointing to the massacre of Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica in 1995. Four-hundred Dutch peacekeepers protecting the area were overwhelmed by Serbian forces, which killed an estimated 8,000 Muslim men and boys.

Linking the massacre to the Netherlands allowing gays in the military prompted this exchange with Senator Levin, who seemed perplexed by Sheehan's assertion.

SHEEHAN: "That [Srebrenica] was the largest massacre in Europe since World War II."
LEVIN: "And did the Dutch leaders tell you it was because there were gay soldiers there?"
SHEEHAN: "It was a combination ..."
LEVIN: "Did they tell you [that gay soldiers were to blame], that is my question."
SHEEHAN: "Yes."
LEVIN: "They did?"
SHEEHAN: "They included that as part of the problem."

Asked for comment, Dutch military officials expressed astonishment. The spokesman for the Netherlands Ministry of Defense, Roger van de Wetering, told VOA Sheehan's assertions are "total nonsense" and that he "cannot believe that a man of that rank is stating such a thing." He added that he had never heard Sheehan's allegation before from any source in the Netherlands or anywhere else.

Many historians have argued that Dutch peacekeeping forces in the Balkans were under-equipped and hampered by operational limitations imposed by the United Nations.

The Senate hearing is being held two months after President Barack Obama called on Congress to repeal a law mandating the U.S. military expel gay service members who do not keep their sexual orientation a secret.

Since then, many of the nation's top military officials and commanders have voiced support for changing the policy after a thorough review process. Some have expressed their personal opposition to repealing the law, but have pledged to enforce any new rules set forth by Congress.



source: http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/usa/Retired-US-General-Gay-Dutch-Troops-Contributed-to-Srebrenica-Massacre--88450667.html

Audeamus
19th March 2010, 03:34
My Lai was caused by homosexuality not being accepted in the military. True story.

Seriously, is the case for DADT resting on the rantings of lunatics like this?

The Douche
19th March 2010, 03:42
As a soldier in the US Army, I fear for any open homosexual who enlists.

Il Medico
19th March 2010, 05:45
Well, I for one, am glad General Dumbass has finally answered the perplexing question of why military forces lose battles. It is not because they are out maned, out gunned, or out maneuvered, but because there are queers in their ranks. Why did Napoleon lose the battle of Waterloo? Gays. Why did Hitler lose WWII? Rampant homosexuality. Why did the Romans lose at Cannae? Because they were sticking their gladius in their mate's Comitia Centuriata! It all makes prefect sense! :rolleyes:
Thanks for that sudden burst of irrationality and utter stupidity.

A truly sad attempt to cover one's bigotry. "Why do I think gays shouldn't be in the military?Uh...uh...uh...they make us lose, yeah that's the ticket!"

Revy
19th March 2010, 06:38
His argument is that the Serbs killed Bosnians because of Dutch gays that made the Dutch army too weak to stop them. The logic of homophobes in this country is astoundingly dumb. When all Biblical BS fails, they think "blame the gays for something monstrously bad".:rolleyes:

Dimentio
19th March 2010, 11:27
It is hardly surprising if some idiot out there in Alabama is nodding his head in agreement with the general... :laugh:

vyborg
19th March 2010, 14:46
I thought they studied ancien military history these guys...doesnt he know about "gay" soldiers in ancient greece? what a patetic dumb...

Patchd
19th March 2010, 15:22
Oh I saw this on a mate's facebook, on the one hand it shows the nature of the military, homophobic, macho and dehumanised among many others, on the other hand, fuck the LGBTQ movement that fights for 'our right' to join the military, why on earth would anyone with a fucking braincell and defines as LGBTQ want to join a homophobic institution which has been responsible for maintaining our oppression throughout history.

bcbm
19th March 2010, 19:12
why on earth would anyone with a fucking braincell and defines as LGBTQ want to join a homophobic institution which has been responsible for maintaining our oppression throughout history.


allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the U.S. military would breed friction and undermine unit cohesion in the armed forces.

seems like a good enough reason (http://bashbacknews.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/bash-back-communique-666/) to me.

Patchd
19th March 2010, 20:53
^ Fucking win, bash back is awsum!