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Bandito
18th March 2010, 19:23
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03/16/vatican.exorcist.devil/index.html

Rome, Italy (CNN) -- "The devil tempts everyone -- people in politics, in economics, in sport. And naturally, he tempts, above all, the religious leaders, so you shouldn't be surprised if the devil tempts those in the Vatican. That's his job."
Father Gabriele Amorth isn't speaking metaphorically when he says that. The 85-year-old priest means people can be tempted and literally possessed by Satan.
"It's not my opinion: I'm saying that if you believe in the Gospels, you believe in the existence of the devil, in the devil's power to possess people," he said in an interview with CNN.
The faithful believe "that there are people possessed by the devil, and ... in the power of exorcism to liberate from the devil," he said.
And as the chief exorcist of the Roman Catholic Church, it's his job to expel the devil when someone is possessed. Amorth, the founder of the International Association of Exorcists, has performed more than 70,000 exorcisms in his career, he estimates.
But there is a difference between possession -- where the devil takes hold of someone's body and actions -- and temptation, where Satan lures a person into doing evil, he said.
As a child abuse scandal sweeps across Europe, with accusations being made against priests in Ireland, Germany, Austria and the Netherlands, Amorth said the pedophiles are tempted, not possessed.
He has never done an exorcism on a child molester, he said.
"I have carried out exorcisms on some priests who had been molested by the devil," he said, without going into details.
"But cases of pedophilia exorcised, no. ... Pedophiles are not possessed by the devil, they are tempted by the devil," he said.
"They don't need exorcism, they need to be converted, to be converted to God, that's what they need. They need to confess, they need true penitence, true repentance, that's what they need. They're not possessed."
But no one is too strong a believer to be possessed, said Amorth, who is employed by the Roman diocese.
"Nothing occurs without the permission of God, and he allows even holy people, even saints, to be possessed by the devil," he said.
But, he added, he sees no evil in the Vatican today: "I just see good people in the Vatican. People of prayer, holy people, I don't see any

Richard Nixon
23rd March 2010, 03:09
If Satan exists than certainly it can influence people to do evil things.

Morgenstern
25th March 2010, 01:41
The devil molests priests? Is that some lame excuse for them to go and molest children? It makes no sense that a priest who is supposed to be a representative of Christ on Earth gets tempted and possessed so easily.

"Nothing occurs without the permission of God, and he allows even holy people, even saints, to be possessed by the devil,"
Let's dissect this phrase.
'Nothing occurs without the permission of God'- This means that if the Devil wants to tempt or possess someone he needs God's okay. The fact that exorcists are still in business shows that God apparently likes to see a bit of possession. A bit harsh to abandon one of your children to your arch enemy?
'and he allows even holy people, even saints, to be possessed by the devil'- So why would he allow people to suffer? (Assuming being possessed is seen as suffering by the church). It's almost like handing the metaphorical apple to Adam and saying (here bro sin for me, I want to banish you).

So from that quote we can derive that God allows people to be possessed by his arch enemy. I don't know about you but if I cared about my children I'd want them not to fall into the hands of my enemy.

Is this guy smoking something or has Catholic doctrine went from God loves you child to God doesn't really care anymore?

danyboy27
25th March 2010, 14:01
wayto go to discharge from all the responsability.

MortyMingledon
25th March 2010, 14:09
I find this quite typical of religions with a strong hierarchal structure like Roman Catholicism; those in power can strongly influence the believers to keep them in power, as they do not need any evidence in the statements they make. Simple being in power gives them the power to stay in power. The pope can tell the people "the lord told me this and this so I should stay pope", and the people must believe it as the pope is supposed to be the supreme authority on what they believe. Hopefully this recent scandal will make people realize what a flawed institution the Roman Catholic church is.

Sasha
25th March 2010, 15:40
the devil made me do it.... religious cop out since history began.

spiltteeth
25th March 2010, 20:49
I noone guess read the article, the priest is saying the OPPOSITE -that the devil didn't possess any of the pedophiliac priests....

Bandito
26th March 2010, 00:32
I noone guess read the article, the priest is saying the OPPOSITE -that the devil didn't possess any of the pedophiliac priests....


Pedophiles are not possessed by the devil, they are tempted by the devil," he said.Same shit, different toilette.
What he's doing is an apology of pedophilia by blaming the influence of a fictional character "tempting" them do put dicks into children.

Sasha
8th April 2010, 17:08
first you blame satan ^,
then you blame the gays (although most child molesters identify as straight)
then you try to make yourself out to be an victim of an pogrom, not much diffrent than the holocaust
and if all that fails.....

you blame the victims offcourse:


"There are 13 year old adolescents who are under age and who are perfectly in agreement with, and what’s more wanting it, and if you are careless they will even provoke you." - Tenerife Bishop Bernando Alvarez (http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_14332.shtml), blaming child molestation on the victims. Alvarez' comments have ignited a firestorm of condemnation in Spain.

source: http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/04/quote-of-day-bernando-alvarez.html :cursing:

Che a chara
10th April 2010, 04:56
Celibacy is the main cause i feel for these disgusting crimes. Surely it's time for marital relations to be allowed within the Catholic priesthood. I know it may contradict with what they preach and believe about following Jesus and being themselves married to Catholicism only, but also I believe that a Catholic priest is also not allowed to have impure thoughts, so already it's been contradicted.

And it's the 21st century. :rolleyes:

Sasha
13th April 2010, 17:59
and we are back blaming the jews: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/11/catholic-bishop-blames-jews

and the gays again: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/04/12/blaming-the-media-didnt-do-it-blaming-the-jews-didnt-do-it

anyone seeing a mea-culpa coming up yet?

Dr Mindbender
13th April 2010, 18:08
why dont they just come out and blame those choir boys for being so damn sexy?

:rolleyes:

Sasha
13th April 2010, 18:47
why dont they just come out and blame those choir boys for being so damn sexy?

:rolleyes:


they did:
"There are 13 year old adolescents who are under age and who are perfectly in agreement with, and what’s more wanting it, and if you are careless they will even provoke you." - Tenerife Bishop Bernando Alvarez (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_14332.shtml), blaming child molestation on the victims. Alvarez' comments have ignited a firestorm of condemnation in Spain.

Axle
13th April 2010, 19:28
Wow, even for organized religion that's a lot of hocus pocus bullshit.