Democracy & the pantheism of bourgeoisie

[Philzer]

Hi!

The charms of democracy


“The true is the whole” says Hegel in his “Phenomenology of spirit”.
Let’s try to study the economic rules, as the basis of every democracy, under this premise.

I think colonialism was the starting condition and globalism is the perfect economic basic for modern western democracy. It only means the relation of production follows the productive resources, as Marx says. I.E.:

Colonialisation, democratisation and globalisation is only understandable on the whole and together.

Furthermore needs capitalism like every other opportunistic social order an unscientific (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=5tY9AA&search=unscientific) ideology, a religion, to legalize the exploitation (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=5tY9AA&search=exploitation) of human and nature resources.
So are people in currently democracy are manipulated by the religion of capitalism, the modern pantheism of bourgeoisie. The trick to overcome the borders of traditional religions is the secularisation (http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/english-german/secularisation.html) and the thesis religion and policy are different thinks.

This ist the most genial coup of rulers in the whole history of class society to manifest their religious ideology.

To understand pantheism as religious character of capitalism you have to compare the following two ideas:

The slogan from the liberal economist and philosophic moralist Adam Smith “the egoism of the individual brings automatically the material prosperity off all people” with the thesis from Baruch de Spinoza “God = substance = nature”. Booth means the same.

The credit to show this religious character of Smith “invisible hand” is due to Alexander Rüstow in his book “Das Versagen des Wirtschafsliberalismus”(“the failure of the economic liberalism”) of 1945.

Further I think if you look at the history of democracy, it is not so abstract to understand their principle and functionality.

Democracy is material corruption of the crowd (mass), which is participated of the exploitation of other mass (peoples).

This was my first expression of democracy after study the early versions of democracy in Greece and America. (Figure 2)
For including some modern effects of the uncontrolled exploitation of the planet, like Fordism (Henry Ford), the empty fishing of the oceans or the contamination of atmosphere for example, I have later summarized:

Democracy is material corruption of a low consciousness mass, which is participated in the ruthless exploitation of the world.

This means, the practice composition is changing in depending of the economy, but the principles are always the same.

The following figures show the development in directions exploitation from a non democratic national state over a closed-national democracy with slaves or racism into a modern global-transnational democracy model. Important is to realize that a democratic citizen is always the privileged part of the economic total quantity of citizen. The direction of surplus-profit (arrows) shows this.

:D
Funny conclusion:
Modern democracy is a “note” democracy.
Everybody can note whatever he won’t,
but only the bank note says what to do.
This is what “freedom of opinion” means.
:D


http://s10.directupload.net/images/100317/r5pua5sz.gif (http://www.directupload.net)

figure5: Germany <-> Greece

Kind regards

[¿Que?]

Further I think if you look at the history of democracy, it is not so abstract to understand their principle and functionality.

Democracy is material corruption of the crowd (mass), which is participated of the exploitation of other mass (peoples).

This was my first definition of democracy after study the early versions of democracy in Greek and America. (Figure 2)
For including some modern effects of the uncontrolled exploitation of the planet, like Fordism (Henry Ford), the empty fishing of the oceans or the contamination of atmosphere for example, I have later summarized:

Democracy is material corruption of a low consciousness mass, which is participated in the ruthless exploitation of the world.

This post was a bit hard to understand, due to the broken English and whatnot.

My impression, though, is that the OP is trying to look at Democracy within its historical context as opposed to some abstraction (materialism over idealism). I tend to agree. Thus I agree with the conclusion that Democracy has resulted in the corruption of the masses. However, I point to some confounding variable to this conclusion. Consider, that racism has existed alongside Democracy. This racism may be the true source of corruption. However, it is quite possible that racism works as a mediating variable, in the following way: Democracy -> Racism (freedom of opinion) -> corruption of the masses.

I don't understand what is the pantheism of the bourgeoisie, though. Can you elaborate?

[Philzer]

Hi comrades!



This post was a bit hard to understand.... and whatnot.

May be it is a complete new view of the world and the class society, espacially about the general function of a democracy?


I don't understand what is the pantheism of the bourgeoisie, though. Can you elaborate?

Ok, I try it:

1. Religion is a mirror of the human consciuosness, Religion is a step of conscious in the history of the anthropogenesis. Religions so have much directions of evolution. In our interest here in the study of democracy the most important aspect is the kind/level of god-abstraction. The first religions, the so called "animated natur religions" has been mythos and later polytheistic religions. they are originated in this way: for every natural phenomenon was setting a god. In ägypt they had over 2000 god´s at the end of the polytheism.

2. the ägypt imperium grows, and finally it was to big, and so the polytheismus is very endangered to split into many dialects. This is bad to rule the imperium. And so Echnaton created the first monotheistic religion with the sun-god Aton. This was the next higher level in god-abstraction!

Echnaton was killed, the priests reinstalled the old polytheism and their sway, and may be Moses saved the great idea from Echnaton and lead these with the jew´s out from ägypt. ( for better understanding read: Sigmund Freud: "The man Moses and the monotheistic religion")

3. as a comparable problem was the bourgeoisie at the beginning of their "hunting around the globe" (Marx). The geographic limits of the old traditional religions must be overcome to make profit on any places. And so they have found a trick, called secularisation, which asserted, religion and politics are different thinks! It is a very funny trick, but the people beliefe all what you say. ( Platon: the citizen cannot recognize the truth )

-> in real they have only upscaled their religion over all the others!

-> this works, because the pantheism of capitalism have the greatest level of allowed opportunism, it is the highest level in threedimensional freedom.

(This is shown by the principle from the liberal economist and philosophic moralist Adam Smith “the egoism of the individual brings automatically the material prosperity off all people”, and the equation of this with the thesis from Baruch de Spinoza “God = substance = nature”. Booth means the same. this you can verify in the rutheless destruction of the earth )

-> so in frame of the pantheismus can exist every old religion, (poly- or monotheistic), because they have much stronger rules, always a lower grade in allowed opportunism. If the individual will limits itself, the bourgeois can only smile.

In the pantheism is only one rule: your benefit. Nothing else.

-> The slogan by Adam Smith above show this. If this would be true who cares about nature, environment and so on – God of course?

This is what pantheism means. And this is the highest level of god-abstraction. God and the matter are the same.

Spinoza: God = substance = matter

--->>> the result for the individuals of the world of today is, they are not real materialists, or communists, or atheists if they are belief in democracy, unscientific freedom of opinion ( I call this "oral-opportunism" ) and all the other parts of the ideology of the bourgeoisie.



Kind regards

more about religion:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1692105&postcount=125

[Communist]

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To Religion, from Theory.

Moved.

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[khad]

Philzer, do not spam this forum.

This is a verbal warning.

[Philzer]

Hello all together,

I guess that shifting my attempt of scientific analysis of democracy to “religion” by the mods means that they and the majority too, are convinced of the “divineness” of democracy.

A friend of mine warns me: After this post you might be shifted into universe! :D

So let’s begin to search for God as it is intended in this heading.

I had recently a talk to a mate who said “democratic Lefts” and “Communists” are entirely different.

It seemed to me very logical but I couldn’t find a scientific explanation for it.

So let’s look at the similarities of all religions. I mean it’s nothing else than an appeal to keep the “evolutionary stabile strategy”. That means: the appeal to the rulers (allegorical “Hawks”) don’t to overdo things because one day they would be punished for this as the appeal to the altruists (allegorical “Doves”) never giving up despite the big amount of hawks because one day they would rewarded for this.

Exactly this constellation of egoists (neoliberals) and altruists (lefts) we found in the bourgeois Parliament and society. Here they perform their “freedom of opinion”, which means nothings else than an esoteric pluralism. There is no obligation neither to be scientific nor to the truthfulness in the sense of I. Kant. But rather the only criterion in sense of A. Smith and his “invisible hands” is the own benefit.

The bourgeois Parliament with its right and left wings is nothing else than the practice of pantheistic religion. Therefore also the Left is a religious individual in this Parliament who thinks he could overcome this religion by religiosity.

Kind regards

[Philzer]

Hi comrades!

Often I am asked:


In any case, are you against democracy, or bourgeois democracy?There is only one kind of democracy. And this one is nothing else than a religious ideology for exploiter. Like all other ideologies in the sense of Marx before.

May be you can understand the modern democracy if you realize the greater masses of involved peoples in economic process of global capitalism, and in the following there is also the way to have much more people which are corrupted in the hierarchy of the exploiter than in feudalism for example.

It is nothing else than the switching from a strictly vertically hierarchy in a national-state, into a mixed form between the peoples of the whole world. See my figures above.

Democracy is unscientifically, esoteric, willing-based pluralism, the highest expression of opportunism, and cannot be overtaken in every kind of communism which is a scientific created society with four-dimensional ethic. Please note opportunism is the being of un-conscious live, it is three-dimensional ethic pure.

What communism needs is what Sigmund Freud called a “Dictatorship of sanity”.

To prevent any kind of Stalinism, because this is unscientific too*, we need a total new government-system. I call this scientific pluralism, but we have to develop this. Stalinism is falsified by practice, of course!

I think in the lack of any type of this new government-model for a pluralism-communism should be the reason to peg out.

All the Rosa´s and all the Trotsky’s must fail, because they thought unscientific pluralism of bourgeois, which is represented in democracy, can overtake in a communism. This is really rubbish!

You can never build a four-dimensional (scientific) society by rules of three-dimensional (esoteric, religious-willing-based) individuals!


My currently definition of democracy:


Democracy is the being of pantheism.


( it means in the same way like monarchy was the being of monotheism )


I´m really interested to hear more questions or statements!

Kind regards.

*for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyssenkoism

[Philzer]

Hi comrades!

For better understanding the principles of democracy, I recommend the book
"history of democracy" by Luciano Canfora (http://www.signandsight.com/features/669.html).

It helps me to understand the missink link in which way the democracy was created in europe. (USA was easily because she had have slaves or rassism to bundles the interests of the democratic-mass)

So I have found the figure3 above.

Have a nice day!

[Philzer]

Hi comrades!

In german TV ARD was broadcasted yesterday a documetary about the textiles discounter KiK.

It points the economic bases of the democracy very nicely.

The movie is in german language. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2L8N6uNxW4&feature=channel)

short summary:

The german textiles discounter KiK produced in India.

-> working time is :

6 days per week, 9 hours per day officially and permanently unpaid and unregistered extra hours -> so i think the real working time is between 60 and 70 hours per week

-> The wage amounts to 20 to 35 euros per month!

-->> The workers live in ghettos!

-->> everyday meal: only rice / all 2 months 1 chicken !


Democracy is the being of pantheism!

Death of the democracy!

[Nr2]

To Religion, from Theory.

Moved.

Hello!

whey moved to Religion?
Marx view of democracy is very incomplete.
it's time to start a scientific discussion over the nature of the democracy.

have fun

[Philzer]

Hi comrades!


whey moved to Religion?
Marx view of democracy is very incomplete.
it's time to start a scientific discussion over the nature of the democracy

Unfortunately, I also do not understand it. It is a scientific work about religion, and not religion!

In my sphere it finds more and more recognition.

Maybe a moderator moved it to "Philosophy" if the presenter of "Theory" does not want to have them?

Kind regards

[Revolutionair]

Could this thread get placed in philosophy?