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[Little Bobby Hutton]

Can Marxists move to Cuba for political views, how hard is it to move there, i am wondering because i think it would be great to live in a socialist nation, but also it would let me see wether socialism is benefitting the cuban proletariat and let me strenghen my rebutals to capie filth.

All poer to the people.

[Kléber]

If you speak Spanish, I believe you can apply to Cuban universities as a foreign student. They have a good education system, but your degree might be worthless in the imperialist countries. There are often tour groups from other countries which visit Cuba, arranged by everyone from socialist groups to Pastors for Peace, I don't know where you live but it shouldn't be hard to research and find one. If your country doesn't ban travel there, you could also get together with some friends and go on a vacation if you can afford that. Along with Raúl Castro's market reforms, tourism is being encouraged, like it was before the Revolution.

[bricolage]

I don't know where you live but it shouldn't be hard to research and find one.

Depending on how long you are there, staying in a casa particular is a good way to go. It is where someone rents you a room in their house for a relatively small amount, they will also often make extra of the family meal for you at a bit more. However I've never stayed in one for much more than a week, so if you are actually going to go there for a long time it might not actually be that much help.


Along with Raúl Castro's market reforms, tourism is being encouraged, like it was before the Revolution.

Indeed. For example in Varadero tourism is encouraged to the extent that Cubans are routinely herded off beaches and out of hotel complexes where foreign nationals are holidaying. Additionally the police will be very active in searching their possessions and generally making life harder for them.

The extent to which Cuba values tourism is arguably a result of the US embargo shutting off other ways for it to generate necessary funds, however at the same time the ways in which domestic citizens are brutalised in order to protect such tourism is entirely disproportionate and very heavy handed.

[RadioRaheem84]

If you speak Spanish, I believe you can apply to Cuban universities as a foreign student.
How useless is a University of Havana degree in Western countries? I thought Cuban doctors, academics were very respected around the world, minus the US.

[RedSonRising]

Depending on where you're from, you may want to do a joint program with your own university before deciding to up and move. Regardless of the education you get, it's how it benefits you later on that matters. If you aren't fluent in Spanish, I suggest looking into any temporary study programs. Before you do anything, visit the country. I can tell you myself that it's a beautiful country and you get a wide range of accounts concerning living under the government produced by the revolution from all types of working people if you ask nicely.

[Little Bobby Hutton]

i have not been in education since i was 13 Comrade, i just want to go live in a socialist system for a few years, but would eventually come back, as just going to live in socialism would be cowardly, it is our duty to create our own revolution.

[Robocloud]

Fleeing the country is, theoretically, a form of passive revolution. :lol::lol:

I would much rather go to Sweden. They are Democratic Socialists with some free market forces, but they are living well and making progress. :cool:

[RadioRaheem84]

They are Democratic Socialists with some free market forces, but they are living well and making progress.

They barely pass for social democrats much less democratic socialist.

Sweden is a fine country that I would'nt knock on but it's not socialist.

[bricolage]

i have not been in education since i was 13 Comrade, i just want to go live in a socialist system for a few years, but would eventually come back, as just going to live in socialism would be cowardly, it is our duty to create our own revolution.

What do you actually hope to achieve by this? Cuba is a lovely country, but going to live there because it is 'socialist'? C'mon...

What do you think's gonna happen, Fidel's gonna give you some guns? You'll get an epiphany about revolution, go home and change the world? Sorry, it aint happening.

[RadioRaheem84]

What do you actually hope to achieve by this? Cuba is a lovely country, but going to live there because it is 'socialist'? C'mon...

What do you think's gonna happen, Fidel's gonna give you some guns? You'll get an epiphany about revolution, go home and change the world? Sorry, it aint happening.

What should someone expect with a visit to Cuba?

[Nolan]

I'm in Puerto Rico. That's the next best thing, right? :D

[Kléber]

i have not been in education since i was 13 Comrade, i just want to go live in a socialist system for a few years, but would eventually come back, as just going to live in socialism would be cowardly, it is our duty to create our own revolution.
I wouldn't call it socialist, since the economy is not really democratically run by the working class, but from what I hear, Cuba is a fun and safe place to visit. It was the major tourist attraction in the Caribbean before 1959; only after the expropriation of foreign property and the embargo was it replaced by Jamaica. The return of tourism in recent years is also bringing in negative imperialist influences and encouraging the process of small-scale capitalist accumulation in Cuba. But I wish you good luck traveling there and seeing for yourself.

There is an old Soviet movie from 1933 based on the story of a German worker who flees to the USSR, but decides he is being a coward, and it would be better to go back and fight for the revolution in Germany: Dezertir (Part 1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5eChQaWvdY)

[bricolage]

What should someone expect with a visit to Cuba?

Nice people, nice weather, good rum, nice countryside, not very interesting food, etc...

[RadioRaheem84]

Nice people, nice weather, good rum, nice countryside, not very interesting food, etc...

The food is no good? I would've thought that Cuban food with it's fried plantains, rice and beans, etc. would've been really tasty.

[Rusty Shackleford]

what would probably be best to do is do some studying too. i mean studying of economics and all of which pertains to the left. you would be in a safe place to do so.

maybe in a few years if i get a degree in PoliSci of Sociology, ill go on down to venezuela to study the bolivarian revolution. maybe by then it will be in a full workers revolution :cool:

[red cat]

Can Marxists move to Cuba for political views, how hard is it to move there, i am wondering because i think it would be great to live in a socialist nation, but also it would let me see wether socialism is benefitting the cuban proletariat and let me strenghen my rebutals to capie filth.

All poer to the people.

Cuba might disappoint you. I think that the best work thing to do for a Marxist is promoting revolution in his own country.

If you want to witness real revolutions and socialist constructions, then you will have to wait for a few more years to move to certain parts of the world. :)

[Tifosi]

What is the point of this? Just running away in my view. Go on a 2 week hoilday like I did, it's a nice place but no paradise!


The food is no good? I would've thought that Cuban food with it's fried plantains, rice and beans, etc. would've been really tasty.

Depends where you go and who is cooking. I was in this cool moterway rest place, it was a small wooded hut, with forest around it, it was nice and cold, pretty good man, the chef there made the best chicken I have ever had. Most of the time it was crap to be frank.


What should someone expect with a visit to Cuba?

Cool old cars, nice buildings, great welcoming people, little police (If I remember right I only seen 4 police men and 1 woman in the whole 2 weeks I was there), crap roads, tropical weather (that has to be one of the major draws for some people, tropical Cuba or Mild North Korea, mmmh) and so much more. I would be here all day wrighting it all up.


Captain Cuba']I'm in Puerto Rico. That's the next best thing, right?

Jamica kicks ass

[Rusty Shackleford]

I think that the best work thing to do for a Marxist is promoting revolution in his own country.
I agree. I was thinking of emigrating to germany or something but i might stay here(As much as i hate it). There are soem serious problems that will be coming in the united states that may lead to a bit more unrest.

Apparently a corporation is actually filing to be a member of congress (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/corporation-says-it-will-run-for-congress/). that fucking fast after the supreme court decision to allow for uncontrolled corporate financing of elections and which furthers the notion that a corporation is a person. bull fucking shit.

that and the tea party movement is changing. they are dropping social issues and are now explicitly economic. they are mainstreaming. National Socialist movements are also working on mainstreaming their views.

i think id rather not see the united states fall farther into the hands of imperialists, capitalists, corporatists, and the general right wing and reactionary crowd.

[bricolage]

The food is no good? I would've thought that Cuban food with it's fried plantains, rice and beans, etc. would've been really tasty.

It's not terrible but like I said it's not interesting, you get what you said and you get fried chicken and chances are that will be all you will get. There's not really that much variety.


little police (If I remember right I only seen 4 police men and 1 woman in the whole 2 weeks I was there)

Hmmm I'm not sure about that. In Havana (via a friend who was in Cuba more permanently) I spent a lot of time hanging out with these musicians who largely lived above one of their mums art gallery. Anyway at night we spent most of the time by the Malecon playing music, drinking beers etc. I'd say at least twice an hour or so the cops would be trying to move us on, I think a lot of it stems from their fear that Cubans are going to rob tourists (thus cost them the money tourists bring) so if they ever see non-Cubans with Cubans they immediately jump to that conclusion.

[RadioRaheem84]

Wow. Interesting stories. It makes me want to read more.

Overall though, would you say that the Cuban people are able to live a life relatively stress free that they're going to be homeless, without medical care or without a job?

The point is not to make Cuba seem like a workers paradise but that even with little resources a nation can fend for its citizens?

How was the infrastructure there? If resturants were bad, what about shopping? I've always seen pictures of Cubans wearing what looks like donated Goodwill clothes from the early 90s or something. How are things like this rationed?

[Tifosi]

Hmmm I'm not sure about that. In Havana (via a friend who was in Cuba more permanently) I spent a lot of time hanging out with these musicians who largely lived above one of their mums art gallery. Anyway at night we spent most of the time by the Malecon playing music, drinking beers etc. I'd say at least twice an hour or so the cops would be trying to move us on, I think a lot of it stems from their fear that Cubans are going to rob tourists (thus cost them the money tourists bring) so if they ever see non-Cubans with Cubans they immediately jump to that conclusion.

I waste not in Havanna, well not for long, 2 hours at the most and most of that time was spent in the airport, where the was a fare amount of cops but outside of the airport I don't remember to many cops about. I'm probably forgeting a few cops I seen, you don't remember how many cops you seen on your hoildays but I know there wasn't many cops about.


Overall though, would you say that the Cuban people are able to live a life relatively stress free that they're going to be homeless, without medical care or without a job?

You would have to ask someone that stays in Cuba


How was the infrastructure there?

The old Spainish buildings where holding up better than the 'new' buildings. Many buildings looked like they would fall down any minute, they still had people in them.

When you fly into Havanna you can see tall buildings along the coast, they and the buildings around them looked good. Many homes on the edge of Havanna looked nice. Like all citys in the world you will get parts that are better than others, in Cuba there are better areas but nothing major. It's not like New York where there is a super rich area and next door the is a slum.


If resturants were bad, what about shopping?

If you want a shopping hoilday Cuba isn't the place for you. Shops looked more as if they where for more of your daily needs, some sold everything from Microwaves to Pokemon cards:lol:. If you look around a bit you will find what you are looking for, within reason