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Vladimir Innit Lenin
14th March 2010, 19:57
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/mar/14/undercover-policeman-infiltrated-violent-activists

Not that i'm surprised they get up to such activities, in all honesty.

Q
14th March 2010, 20:52
Indeed, such infiltration is to be expected in all far left organisations.

Die Neue Zeit
14th March 2010, 20:58
The article talks about he infiltrated a front group, not the party itself. He also expressed "his growing fears that the work of his unit could threaten legitimate protest."

[He's obviously not a working-class person, though.]

Jolly Red Giant
14th March 2010, 20:58
From the SP website - interesting that the cop's big 'coup' was that the demo outside the BNP was going to be 'much larger than expected' - when the YRE had already told the cops it was going to be bigger than they expected.

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/9007/14-03-2010/youth-against-racism-in-europe-answers-disgraceful-observer-expose

Youth Against Racism in Europe answers disgraceful Observer 'expose'

The disgraceful article in today's Observer (Undercover policeman reveals how he infiltrated UK's violent activists, 14 March 2010) claims to 'expose' how "an officer from a secretive unit of the Metropolitan police" was "working undercover among anti-racist groups in Britain, during which he routinely engaged in violence against members of the public and uniformed police officers to maintain his cover."
Lois Austin, YRE chair 1992-1996; Hannah Sell, YRE secretary 1992-1996

No one from The Observer contacted present or previous representatives of the anti-racist group he refers to, Youth Against Racism in Europe (http://www.yre.org.uk/) (YRE) for our side of this story.
At the time we were secretary and chair of the YRE, which is a democratic organisation of young people.
Both supporters of the Militant Tendency (http://www.militant.org.uk/)(now the Socialist Party), we were elected to lead the YRE, which organised mass, peaceful protests against racism and in particular against the far-right thugs of the BNP and their ilk.
YRE began in 1992 with the largest ever European demonstration against racism, with 40,000 young people marching in Brussels.
During our campaigning, YRE often faced violence from the far-right and unfortunately also from the police.
Warned

We also warned of the danger of police and state infiltration of the left, which has now been proved to be correct, not just by this report but, also, in The Defence of the Realm - the Authorised History of M15, by Christopher Andrew, published in 2009.
Democratic and peaceful left wing organisations were infiltrated by the secretive and unaccountable forces of the state.
Ludicrously, the article refers to the undercover officer's "key success" being the discovery that the 1993 demonstration against the BNP's headquarters in Welling, South East London was going to be "far larger than thought".
Racist murders

This demonstration took place after four racist murders, including that of Stephen Lawrence, had taken place within two miles of the BNP Headquarters.
As organisers of the demonstration, we repeatedly told the police that it was going to be very large.
In the end it was 50,000 strong. We argued for the demonstration to be allowed to march peacefully past the BNP HQ. The response of the police, as the film on the Observer's website makes all too clear, was to refuse permission for the demonstration to march and then carry out an incredibly brutal attack on unarmed and peaceful young people who were carrying out their democratic right to protest against racism.
It is surely not a coincidence that this 'expose' has taken place now, at a time when a new generation of young people are becoming involved in campaigning against racism and the far-right BNP.
Yesterday, in Barking, where Nick Griffin is standing for parliament, Youth Fight for Jobs - an organisation of young people with the backing of trade unions, the YRE and the Socialist Party - marched under the same slogan we adopted in the early 1990s - 'Jobs and Homes not Racism'.
The Observer would do better to report this kind of anti-racist campaigning rather than attempt to smear the movement which successfully marginalised the BNP in the early 1990s.

vyborg
15th March 2010, 09:46
Police does it all the time and in every country. And also when something comes out, as in this episode, we must ask ourselves why.

I think the reply is to frighten activists and to let us know they control us...

Jimmie Higgins
15th March 2010, 11:09
Wasn't there a case a year or so ago about a cop in the UK who was caught on tape trying to convince arrested activists to be agent provocateurs or informants or something?

UK police are so old-school... it's like they were trained by the Tsar's police.

Crux
15th March 2010, 11:11
Wasn't there a case a year or so ago about a cop in the UK who was caught on tape trying to convince arrested activists to be agent provocateurs or informants or something?

UK police are so old-school... it's like they were trained by the Tsar's police.
Well, don't they represent the monarchy? ;)

Vladimir Innit Lenin
15th March 2010, 18:46
Maybe they came from the MfS :laugh:

Sasha
15th March 2010, 18:57
other thread on the same subject: http://www.revleft.com/vb/coppers-infiltrated-uk-t130993/index.html

The Idler
15th March 2010, 22:58
I think they've forgotten about Brian Caton.

Jolly Red Giant
16th March 2010, 00:15
I think they've forgotten about Brian Caton.
Hardly undercover though - is he?

Crux
16th March 2010, 10:47
Letter to The Observer

Dear Sir

As an activist with Youth Against Racism in Europe and Militant Labour in London in the mid-90s, and now with Militant's successor, the Socialist Party, I remember "Officer A" (your cover story, 14 March) well.
The combination of thinning hair on top and a pony tail at the back would be hard to forget.
What I don't recognise is the picture of our campaigns as secretive and violent. Having myself been bashed about by the police at the big Welling demo against the BNP, and in light of your revelations, I'd say that secrecy and violence was the prerogative of the police.
Officer A called himself Peter and joined Militant from a group at Kingsway College called the Revolutionary Internationalist League.
They were not then "up and coming", never having more than six members.
Public knowledge

We didn't organise in secret, so "Peter" wouldn't have found out anything that wasn't going to be public knowledge.
Police resources might have been more economically expended by buying a copy of Militant every week and turning up at our public meetings.
Was the observational role described by Officer A his full mission? We were at pains to point out that defeating racist and fascist groups is a political task.
It needs patient activity in working class communities, not argy-bargy on the streets. I recall that "Peter" wasn't as convinced of our position as he could have been and tended to favour street fighting.
Provocateur

Perhaps he was sent in partly to act as provocateur?
You say that "Peter" found himself conflicted and in sympathy with campaigns against police brutality.
I remember him as a diffident individual who appeared unhappy in his own skin. Now I know why and the reason for his disappearance in Mid-1997, telling us that he was moving to Greece and donating the meagre contents of his rather grotty flat on the Holloway Road to be sold to raise funds.
Certainly, "Peter" seems to have come out of this the worst, being misused by his police bosses, as his subsequent ill health would show.
Successful campaign

One has to have some sympathy for him.
Our campaigns weren't disrupted by "Peter" and didn't end because of police infiltration. They had a successful conclusion, with the BNP unable to openly organise in London for about a decade.
It was only thirteen years of New Labour that managed to boost the BNP again. That's the real scandal, and one that requires the building of a political alternative to racism that will fight for working people, thus undercutting the BNP and its ilk.
With regards

Greg Randall
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/latest/9009/15-03-2010/letter-to-the-observer-i-remember-officer-a-well